pvp is no longer skillful

[Beezl.4180]

On 8/23/2021 at 5:28 PM, Broxxgar.6801 said:

Don't need to be Plat, Legendary or gold for me. I appreciate your feedback and your information regardless your skill. Because the game has problems with wintrading,bots and afk that can ruin your gameplays on ranked.

About the counterpick is a reality, its kind of skill for me. But the problem as your talked is that you cant outplay it and on that point you are correctly if you can't outplay it without another couterpick isn't a skillful game. A lot of my game there is people who just play with one build, mostly the meta build. One that I dislike the most is the burn guardian, I can win some of the duel against them, but is hard and I don't like to play one build just to counter one enemy. I hope that my teamates adjust their build to their opponents but they just play the same build everyday....

Don't be bothered by the people who don't read your post because was not correctly formated.


Another thing, number of post don't say nothing to me. That is alot of veteran on the game that don't use the forum  😉.

Feel free to express your opnion.

There is always someone that will never be happy with anything you do or say in life I cant let certain people think they are big shot hence why I have not really paid them full attention. Thank you for spending the time to read it, weather formated it correctly or not most people that do not do pvp in mmos would not have read it regardless if this post was in the pvp section of the forum. Once more thanks !

[Beezl.4180]

On 8/23/2021 at 11:29 AM, Genesis.5169 said:

 

Mr. Guy with 15 posts who started in 2020.

If you not atleast gold i'ma chalk this upto useless banter.

 

You haven't been around long enough to compare it to anything outside of what you see now.

Hi Mr.807 posts that is most likely already typing his 808th post that has joined in 2017. That has obviously not read my post and that is okay many didnt and those who did clearly have an agreement with me.

 

I have been playhing this have for 6 years now which if we are judging by how you are judging me you have been playing for only 4 thats a whole 2 years of my pvping every day more than you. But this is not about bragging rights or who has played when or whatever you might want to call it I just wanted to point that out for you cause you are so quick to judge.

 

Now to answer your question about my rank, I am currently gold and I got placed gold with my current skill level that is rustier then the titanic from a about 3 or maybe 4 year break from the game due to playing other things that interested me more. But here I will give you some information on things you are unclear about and why I can speak on this topic especially in the current state that the game is in. for 2-3 years of my non stop daily activity of playing GW2 I have pvped and only pvped since the day I got the game and I was told I can lvl up through pvping, I was able to form with a friend of mine that I met in the game a Spvp competitive guild that literally did ranked pvp and ranked pvp only and no one got invited if they werent interested in pvp.

We even at the time had top 50 players in the rankings for their classes, we were even thinking to start joining up for small tournaments but sadly things went left and right and we disbanded and people stopped playing the game and bla bla bla you get the gist.

 

Now to go back to what you were mentioning, I am gold and imagine gold and I should realistically be silver with the fact that I am a returning player that has forgotten how things worked and had to face fresh classes that I knew 0 about and how they work or not classes but "elite specs" and other new builds. I think in this case scenario I am more than qualified to speak on this topic of how bad the pvp scene is in this game now Mr.807 posts do share with me where your experience comes from and I presume you will tell me you are some legendary rank in pvp which I turly do not care about.

 

Lastly dont judge so fast it makes you look really stupid, back in those days of GW2 there were no ranks there was just tiger,wolf, bear, dragon, no leagues no ranks such as silver,gold, plat,diamond or whatever there is currently in GW2. When people saw you slam them with that dragon finisher people use to be like "OH kitten this guy is the real deal". If you truly have played less then me have some respect for those who have played longer especially in the field of what they are trying to talk about rather then spilling some immature blaber. There I gave you your formated answer that I am sure you probably wont even read cause you are too busy typing that 809th post.

[Genesis.5169]

10 hours ago, Beezl.4180 said:

Hi Mr.807 posts that is most likely already typing his 808th post that has joined in 2017. That has obviously not read my post and that is okay many didnt and those who did clearly have an agreement with me.

 

I have been playhing this have for 6 years now which if we are judging by how you are judging me you have been playing for only 4 thats a whole 2 years of my pvping every day more than you. But this is not about bragging rights or who has played when or whatever you might want to call it I just wanted to point that out for you cause you are so quick to judge.

 

Now to answer your question about my rank, I am currently gold and I got placed gold with my current skill level that is rustier then the titanic from a about 3 or maybe 4 year break from the game due to playing other things that interested me more. But here I will give you some information on things you are unclear about and why I can speak on this topic especially in the current state that the game is in. for 2-3 years of my non stop daily activity of playing GW2 I have pvped and only pvped since the day I got the game and I was told I can lvl up through pvping, I was able to form with a friend of mine that I met in the game a Spvp competitive guild that literally did ranked pvp and ranked pvp only and no one got invited if they werent interested in pvp.

We even at the time had top 50 players in the rankings for their classes, we were even thinking to start joining up for small tournaments but sadly things went left and right and we disbanded and people stopped playing the game and bla bla bla you get the gist.

 

Now to go back to what you were mentioning, I am gold and imagine gold and I should realistically be silver with the fact that I am a returning player that has forgotten how things worked and had to face fresh classes that I knew 0 about and how they work or not classes but "elite specs" and other new builds. I think in this case scenario I am more than qualified to speak on this topic of how bad the pvp scene is in this game now Mr.807 posts do share with me where your experience comes from and I presume you will tell me you are some legendary rank in pvp which I turly do not care about.

 

Lastly dont judge so fast it makes you look really stupid, back in those days of GW2 there were no ranks there was just tiger,wolf, bear, dragon, no leagues no ranks such as silver,gold, plat,diamond or whatever there is currently in GW2. When people saw you slam them with that dragon finisher people use to be like "OH kitten this guy is the real deal". If you truly have played less then me have some respect for those who have played longer especially in the field of what they are trying to talk about rather then spilling some immature blaber. There I gave you your formated answer that I am sure you probably wont even read cause you are too busy typing that 809th post.

 

Okay Mr. Guy first thing, the forums were renewed and changed and when they did it everyone had to rejoin the forums, i think my post history goes back 8 years. But now that you have qualified your statements seeing how your a reasonable rank and your account is of reasonable age ill respectfully retort now.

 

I disagree with you not every class plays just via counterplay by better you at the traitline and stat sheet before you have an encounter, Thieves, Mesmers (God bless there poor underpowered souls), Engineer all variations thats not prot holo, and FA ele. You spec from the eye of playing classes that can do that that's a bit unfair.

 

But also traiting to counter the most popular build the term being an anti meta traitline is a form of strategy which should not be removed.

So in all replying to your original post respectfully i disagree with your statement for one its too broad not every class has to ability to do that, and two the aspect of creating an anti-meta build for meta builds is something that needs to stay thats why were allowed to change traitlines at the start of battles. Your issue's are why all the amulets and sigils and multiple builds were removed out of pvp any form of removal of anything out of pvp im against until we get back to PoF amount of content in pvp.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Genesis.5169

[felix.2386]

as some one who played ESLs and weeklies in pvp prime day back in core.

PvP skill level gone since HoT release and killed at least half of it's serious pvp population.

 

game is build centered, and less skill centered,

now, the only time it is skill centered and fun is when you play in top level in-house or mAT where everybody runs basically the same build with classes, just different comp.

[Beezl.4180]

3 hours ago, Genesis.5169 said:

 

Okay Mr. Guy first thing, the forums were renewed and changed and when they did it everyone had to rejoin the forums, i think my post history goes back 8 years. But now that you have qualified your statements seeing how your a reasonable rank and your account is of reasonable age ill respectfully retort now.

 

I disagree with you not every class plays just via counterplay by better you at the traitline and stat sheet before you have an encounter, Thieves, Mesmers (God bless there poor underpowered souls), Engineer all variations thats not prot holo, and FA ele. You spec from the eye of playing classes that can do that that's a bit unfair.

 

But also traiting to counter the most popular build the term being an anti meta traitline is a form of strategy which should not be removed.

So in all replying to your original post respectfully i disagree with your statement for one its too broad not every class has to ability to do that, and two the aspect of creating an anti-meta build for meta builds is something that needs to stay thats why were allowed to change traitlines at the start of battles. Your issue's are why all the amulets and sigils and multiple builds were removed out of pvp any form of removal of anything out of pvp im against until we get back to PoF amount of content in pvp.

You have your right to disagree but it does not mean you are correct on the matter, my point was exactly that in the first place that not every class can do that and pretty much those who can do that play based on their counter play rather then skill, I am not sure how much you pvp or spend time pvping but I spend good couple of days wvw every day for endless hours and kept meeting with guardians and what not other classes that have good dmg and at the same time crazy sustain and also are tanky, which makes the whole point of fighting people as such boring.

 

Its an absolute problem with the game and that is why the game is in a dying state and I am truly surprised t hey are pushing out more expansions when they have servers that are deader than dead and im pretty sure its dead for that reason. Sadly I wont force myself to play vs people that dont have skill and I have to put in the work while they just sit there and hit couple of buttons and boom my hp is gone while they just soak in any incoming dmg or press 1 button and looky looky full hp with immunity to dmg bla bla bla plain boring and it shows that anet are so out of ideas that they themselves have butchered their own game. 

 

This is bound to happen with any game that keeps adding new classes but doesnt actually integrate them to fit in with the existing ones and they just make them crazy overpowered. In wvw you barely see a core class and again thats for a very good reason cause there arent many core classes that would  do anything vs the new elite specs. 

 

The same thing will happen with the new elite specs that are on the way, they will be the go to and the new kitten counter play to other classes which again no one can ever tell me that in a mmo game that counter play is skill, in real life yes but in a game no. The main reason that in game or especially in an mmo counterplay is not a skill is because usually counterplay means that the opponent cant do jack to kill you no matter how much they outplay you no matter how much they cc you before you even kill them thats simply not skill. 

 

Hence I saw many people considering it skill or not "many" but a few thats pretty much like saying to someone lets fight but Imma stand behind the wall and will be able to hit you but you wont be able to hit me and I will be considered skillful cause I was able to hit you behind the wall but you couldnt. Thats the logic of counter play being "skill" in GW2 or any other mmo.

 

The main thing that people confuse is that they think that using a skill to counter something in a class to gain advantage in your fight where your enemy has a chance to kill you and the fight is intense that there is skill. But in this case where we are discussing someone changing their traits in order to become the person behind the wall that can obliterate you either fast or slowly but you cant do anything to them because your traits do not counter theirs thats not skill no where in the slightest. Again that would be like giving 2 people to do a test but you give one a pen and the other nothing and expect them both to have an equal footing.

 

To finalise the moment the mmo becomes about the class and not the player the need of skill has been deleted from the game and the game is just no longer a competitive game.

[Stallic.2397]

I agree with most of the latter replies. Create a strong build by knowing your class well. Meaning, know what usually kills you and build to be as resistant to that as possible.

 

Also, create some type of burst combo or, sad to say, cheesy attack plan so that when you want to go on the offense and want to destroy (ex. That pesky burn guard that you mentioned) then you know how to do it. 

 

I wouldn't really call this countering, but just creating the best build for yourself. Once you have all that down, you'll easily climb rank. Only trying to get into plat will involve knowing the enemy builds and learning their specific weaknesses 

 

But honestly, who cares about plat. Elitest, duo q'ing meta addicts who will go ape kitten if you don't hard carry them as they're so accustomed to. Waste of time putting energy into that

Edited August 25, 2021 by Stallic.2397

[Beezl.4180]

2 hours ago, Stallic.2397 said:

I agree with most of the latter replies. Create a strong build by knowing your class well. Meaning, know what usually kills you and build to be as resistant to that as possible.

 

Also, create some type of burst combo or, sad to say, cheesy attack plan so that when you want to go on the offense and want to destroy (ex. That pesky burn guard that you mentioned) then you know how to do it. 

 

I wouldn't really call this countering, but just creating the best build for yourself. Once you have all that down, you'll easily climb rank. Only trying to get into plat will involve knowing the enemy builds and learning their specific weaknesses 

 

But honestly, who cares about plat. Elitest, duo q'ing meta addicts who will go ape kitten if you don't hard carry them as they're so accustomed to. Waste of time putting energy into that

I was not only talking about spvp btw I was also talking about wvw just pvp in general Spvp is some what bearable even though its annoying when you meet builds that are just either crazy tanky, have some mad hp regen, or just some crazy protections but your build has nothing to do with it truly. Especially a "bursty" skill I was playing sic'em ranger that was literally full burst build that is complete glass canon in exchange to kill targets in 1 barrage but it doesnt work, sadly and thats where the problem of the game is.

 

If you are willing to make a build as such that pretty much is a suprise attacker type of build that hits you out of no where and some random person can just soak in all the dmg heal up and set up "300" protection skills which then leaves you with only one option to leave which is boring, why is it boring ? Cause as a burst type of build guy you should be able to stand your ground. 

 

Now obviously you might say well "whats the point of being a tanky build if you can get melted" well exactly thats the point if someone catches you off guard regardless if you are a tank or not you are caught off guard what makes you tanky are your abilities, of course your equipment too but your abilities are the ones that allow you to go immune or make a barrier or any kind of protection skill that will mitigate or stop incoming dmg. It is just not corect from my point of view.  I dont know what class you play but I strongly suggest you try to play ranger in WvW  pick your poison, whatever you like build wise, go druid if you like go soul beast make a core build just do it and you will understand how every other class overwhelmes you.

 

I have played this class since I have started the game 6 years ago and I have a very good amount of hours on it so I am truly experienced on it. Fighting other classes with ranger feels like alot of work and not so much work for the other classes, even when I fight other ranges with my ranger it feels like a piece of cake to fight, yet people complain of ranger's pet which I find hilarious cause people dont see to have any issues with the pet of ranger with the new elite specs. You could make a fair point and say well "why not join them" I will never swap to another class because the other classes do not really catch my attention.

 

[Stallic.2397]

23 minutes ago, Beezl.4180 said:

I was not only talking about spvp btw I was also talking about wvw just pvp in general Spvp is some what bearable even though its annoying when you meet builds that are just either crazy tanky, have some mad hp regen, or just some crazy protections but your build has nothing to do with it truly. Especially a "bursty" skill I was playing sic'em ranger that was literally full burst build that is complete glass canon in exchange to kill targets in 1 barrage but it doesnt work, sadly and thats where the problem of the game is.

 

If you are willing to make a build as such that pretty much is a suprise attacker type of build that hits you out of no where and some random person can just soak in all the dmg heal up and set up "300" protection skills which then leaves you with only one option to leave which is boring, why is it boring ? Cause as a burst type of build guy you should be able to stand your ground. 

 

Now obviously you might say well "whats the point of being a tanky build if you can get melted" well exactly thats the point if someone catches you off guard regardless if you are a tank or not you are caught off guard what makes you tanky are your abilities, of course your equipment too but your abilities are the ones that allow you to go immune or make a barrier or any kind of protection skill that will mitigate or stop incoming dmg. It is just not corect from my point of view.  I dont know what class you play but I strongly suggest you try to play ranger in WvW  pick your poison, whatever you like build wise, go druid if you like go soul beast make a core build just do it and you will understand how every other class overwhelmes you.

 

I have played this class since I have started the game 6 years ago and I have a very good amount of hours on it so I am truly experienced on it. Fighting other classes with ranger feels like alot of work and not so much work for the other classes, even when I fight other ranges with my ranger it feels like a piece of cake to fight, yet people complain of ranger's pet which I find hilarious cause people dont see to have any issues with the pet of ranger with the new elite specs. You could make a fair point and say well "why not join them" I will never swap to another class because the other classes do not really catch my attention.

 

I main Elem but I have a lvl 80 character of each profession and I try to keep up to date with all the skills and builds of those classes. Ranger is actually one of my more favored classes. 

 

Power core ranger or as you mentioned, power burst soulbeast are good choices. I'm seeing more condi versions though that have more survivability in comparison to power soulbeast. 

 

If you're looking for specific advice for ranger though, I would specify that. There are those in the forums that main ranger and could get into more detail. As for my two cents, have you tried power core? Plays well as a side noder. 

[Beezl.4180]

19 hours ago, Stallic.2397 said:

I main Elem but I have a lvl 80 character of each profession and I try to keep up to date with all the skills and builds of those classes. Ranger is actually one of my more favored classes. 

 

Power core ranger or as you mentioned, power burst soulbeast are good choices. I'm seeing more condi versions though that have more survivability in comparison to power soulbeast. 

 

If you're looking for specific advice for ranger though, I would specify that. There are those in the forums that main ranger and could get into more detail. As for my two cents, have you tried power core? Plays well as a side noder. 

I was interested in trying Druid but now sadly I am not interested in anything. For me the worst thing an mmo could do to itself is to have me running away from fights just because they can counter me that is beyond the most disgusting thing that as a competitive pvp player I will never allow myself to endure. Its beyond boring to run from fights and especially to run from them because you cant beat anyone and everyone that triggers me like nothing else in mmos especially.

 

I am just a type of player that wants to contest anyone on anything I hate that I cant do it no more in gw2 and specifically for their game design. Once more I will mention this I love the new specs I truly do I like that they are trying to get creative with things and make them unique but making them absurdly op in any sense is just not for me sadly. I just want to say thank you for trying to recommend something rather than be upset with my long responses but the game has pushed me away, I really tried giving it a good chance but it just doesnt work out. Personally from what I have seen currently ranger literally looks like the weakest class in the whole roster. Every other class has truly some crazy mechanics that just ranger doesnt.

 

Worst part of it all is that people say " ranger has invis" yes it does if you hit the arrow and if you dont you really dont have invis and that invis lasts for what 3 seconds ? 2 maybe. Other classes I noticed have much more utilities which is just unfair and it pretty much unbalances gameplay. Which brings me to another fight I had vs a mesmer that went in and out of invisibility 5-6 times during the fight, leave the fact that they have clones that can confuse you but invis ?! LOL thats just too much. Back in the day I could fight a mesmer with ease and it would feel nice to kill one hence they can have 3-4 clones at the same time and constantly confusing you but now its just them countering you with insane utilities. Oh well enough of my ranting thanks again for your suggestiong truly appricated, but the game is not for me no more. Maybe I will return for the new expansion if ranger's new spec is good if not it is what it is.