Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 what are those good for? Condi? Support? Dying? I know the only viable gear for Reaper/Necro is Berserker cuz they have no healing/conditions to properly use any other gear, but I literally have no idea what's best for Scourge/Harbinger. can they go full DPS with Berserker or should I go with full condition damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah.4376 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Full condi with viper stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, Methuselah.4376 said: Full condi with viper stats for both? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah.4376 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: for both? Yep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, Methuselah.4376 said: Yep kk, thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valisha.8650 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 I suggest celestial. Very fun in open world, for scourge it provides decent hybrid playstyle, and works well in WvW with harbinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Valisha.8650 said: I suggest celestial. isn't that like super weak? Sure, I have only tried it on Reaper, but I do -50% dmg compared to Berserker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah.4376 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: isn't that like super weak? Sure, I have only tried it on Reaper, but I do -50% dmg compared to Berserker. Ye celestial is garbage in open world; you will waste much more time trying to kill things when compared to viper's. If you want a more tanky set up, then go for traiblazer's instead of viper's. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladel.1670 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Methuselah.4376 said: Ye celestial is garbage in open world; you will waste much more time trying to kill things when compared to viper's. If you want a more tanky set up, then go for traiblazer's instead of viper's. I don't agree with the fact that celestial is garbage. This is a decent stat set everywhere, except in instanced content with aggro on Toughness. You can do fine as support scourge in celestial (see the Hardstuck variant of the Plaguedoctor Scourge), switching traits and skills for a more offensive setup leaves you with a good enough dps to go through open world and story and Cele Harbinger seems particularly efficient for WvW roaming (you may need to have a way to switch runes, there, tho). That's the power of celestial: it's good enough for almost everything and definitely not the worst choice if you want to do multiple things while changing as little as possible. I won't deny that Trailblazer is still better for soloing content and Viper for pure offense, tho. But that's the difference between a generalist and a specialist. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valisha.8650 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: isn't that like super weak? Sure, I have only tried it on Reaper, but I do -50% dmg compared to Berserker. I've explicitly mentioned Scourge and Harbinger, leaving the underdone reaper out for a reason c; 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) ok, how does this look? I have literally no idea what a Scourge is supposed to do so I focused in getting exactly 100% condition duration (except for bleed which is over capped but well). http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSBBs+tjlVwAZXsPGJWqPuPVA-zRRYVR6vZUBnRHqqQkqK9SIoEAd++HAA-e oh, the link doesn't save buffs but with Sand Sage you get 100% condition duration. Edited September 19, 2022 by Arianth Moonlight.6453 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladel.1670 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: ok, how does this look? I have literally no idea what a Scourge is supposed to do so I focused in getting exactly 100% condition duration (except for bleed which is over capped but well). http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSBBs+tjlVwAZXsPGJWqPuPVA-zRRYVR6vZUBnRHqqQkqK9SIoEAd++HAA-e oh, the link doesn't save buffs but with Sand Sage you get 100% condition duration. It's for open world, right? Why do you use signet of spite? You don't have a stunbreak. Not sure if taking Death Magic is worth it, I'd go with Soul Reaping 1/1/3 for more damages and life force or Blood Magic 1/3/3 for support and sustain. If you want to keep Death Magic, I'd go with 2/2/2 instead, you are playing a condi build with condi weapons so power won't do much for you. Most Scourge builds take Plague Sending for the combo between f5 and blood is power, it can also benefit your other corruptions skills by giving you one more way beside dagger 4 to transfer conditions. Runes of the Tempest will be expansive to get unless you have legendary runes. Runes of the Nightmare are the prefered choice for condi builds, in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 20 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: I know the only viable gear for Reaper/Necro is Berserker cuz they have no healing/conditions to properly use any other gear That's prejudices. Facts are that: - A condi reaper deal as much damage as a power reaper. (as far as I know condi reaper currently bench at 33k dps) - Both Marauder and Assassin gear are very good and reliable alternative to berserker gear on reaper (Yes, you won't have the possibility to reach the maximum numbers that berserker would allow you to reach but the sheer amount of extra precision you got from those gear stat is confort). The ideal power reaper make use of a mix of assassin and berserker stat which in return allow you to take advantage of the power runeset instead of making you dependant of the very few precision runesets that the game offer you. (a berserker/assassin/scholar blend offer you 15% more crit damage but 126 power loss over the current berserker/thief runes meta build) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, Kaladel.1670 said: It's for open world, right? oh no, I just focused on getting 100% condition duration (ignore the skills too, they just there). 13 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said: A condi reaper deal as much damage as a power reaper. got that build? I have this one but I'm still working on a backpack before switching all my gear to try it: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PShAEZlRwOYXMFGJWuX1NXA-zRRYfhC2MqOfhRXVFmq+HCBlAoz3/AA-e (again, the skills are just there since I can't test what's best yet). I also have marauder gear and yes, I lost a few DPS compared to berserker but with a massive improvement on survival: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PShAEZlRwOYXMFGJOSXlNbA-zRRYBBBKGVfflRFVVGpq+HgA+kitten-e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Quote got that build? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: ok, how does this look? I have literally no idea what a Scourge is supposed to do so I focused in getting exactly 100% condition duration (except for bleed which is over capped but well). http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSBBs+tjlVwAZXsPGJWqPuPVA-zRRYVR6vZUBnRHqqQkqK9SIoEAd++HAA-e oh, the link doesn't save buffs but with Sand Sage you get 100% condition duration. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSxAs+ZlNwgYgsEmJW6X9PVA-zxIY1o7/MyVqGiqSpnEB7FAW+bZrdwH-e This is my build, its slightly off-meta but not by much. Massive defense, 100% condition duration, 90%+ crit in groups and 15-20k DPS effortlessly (in real fights) while still giving out lots of Might, barriers and cleanses. Your build has several potential errors, such as not fully using the Fear-Torment-Burning synergy chain. You also need to mostly use Punishment skills to take advantage of burning damage (Sadistic Searing), as well as other minor mistakes like applying self-Weakness and not having a stunbreak in your kit. Edited September 19, 2022 by Mariyuuna.6508 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kaladel.1670 said: It's for open world, right? Why do you use signet of spite? You don't have a stunbreak. Not sure if taking Death Magic is worth it, I'd go with Soul Reaping 1/1/3 for more damages and life force or Blood Magic 1/3/3 for support and sustain. If you want to keep Death Magic, I'd go with 2/2/2 instead, you are playing a condi build with condi weapons so power won't do much for you. Most Scourge builds take Plague Sending for the combo between f5 and blood is power, it can also benefit your other corruptions skills by giving you one more way beside dagger 4 to transfer conditions. Runes of the Tempest will be expansive to get unless you have legendary runes. Runes of the Nightmare are the prefered choice for condi builds, in general. I'd like to clarify that Rune of the Tempest is meta for Celestial power-condition hybrid builds, especially on Scourge since they're considered a support class even on DPS builds. Nightmare rune is purely for condition builds which mostly use Viper instead, since it has no power damage or boon duration. Edited September 19, 2022 by Mariyuuna.6508 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladel.1670 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mariyuuna.6508 said: I'd like to clarify that Rune of the Tempest is meta for Celestial power-condition hybrid builds, especially on Scourge since they're considered a support class even on DPS builds. Nightmare rune is purely for condition builds which mostly use Viper instead. Celestial support hybrid scourge uses Nightmare runes. As for this power-condi hybrid, never heard of it and can't find it on build websites, youtube videos or anything... Where does it come from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanther Deathbringer.4762 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) https://metabattle.com/wiki/Necromancer You're welcome Also. P/C Hybrid builds don't exist because they don't work, so why list them? The people that say they do work have 0 actual clue on how the game works and have done nothing more than overworld events where you can 100% be carried because of how easy it is. Here are your benchmarks for each spec. They aren't always up to 100% date, but give you an idea on where you stand. https://snowcrows.com/benchmarks A more detailed site for class data https://gw2wingman.nevermindcreations.de/home Edited September 20, 2022 by Zanther Deathbringer.4762 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valisha.8650 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 9:11 PM, Zanther Deathbringer.4762 said: have 0 actual clue on how the game works and have done nothing more than overworld events where you can 100% be carried because of how easy it is. You know that from your own perspective I guess 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahhchu.4369 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/19/2022 at 4:45 AM, Dadnir.5038 said: how do I get my damage to show like that and what is the green bar above the chat window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Ahhchu.4369 said: how do I get my damage to show like that and what is the green bar above the chat window? ArcDPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladel.1670 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 15 hours ago, Valisha.8650 said: You know that from your own perspective I guess 🤣 Proof is the only thing that will make you look right, you know. The stance of "hybrid doesn't work" has been proven for 10 years. If you want to be taken seriously while taking the opposite stance, you need to have facts on your side or people will juste dismiss it as bs. So take your hybrid with arcdps, go do some content and show numbers to the disbeliever. That's as simple as that. No need to argue or disparage other. If you are right and have undeniable proof, we'll all agree that you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahhchu.4369 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 23 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: ArcDPS Thanks. I got it but still can't get my dps to display in the chat window like the video. I'll keep messing with it till I figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanther Deathbringer.4762 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) On 9/24/2022 at 4:13 PM, Valisha.8650 said: You know that from your own perspective I guess 🤣 Its not a perspective. Its an actual fact with actual data and numbers to back it up. Even your "it works well in wvw" is BS, because the actual Harb Celest WvW playstyle is condition based. https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Harbinger_-_Celestial_Elixir_Roamer Now stop spreading misinformation and embarrassing yourself. Edited September 26, 2022 by Zanther Deathbringer.4762 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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