BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Karagee.6830 said: As I said above if you invested 18 hours per week, you too should become a speedrunner. It's very common to people to get carried in PvE, both in raids and fractals. I have done fractal CMs with 2 alt accounts (so in 3 and even 2 people) many times and raids are the same exact story. If you are ignorant (in the sense that you don't know about it or choose to ignore it) of this reality it's really your problem, not mine. You could say WvW and also PvP are easier (although one would really think that with the same time investment raids would be extremely easy too), but they are not carriable unlike PvE. You actually need to play the game mode. You don’t have to play the game modes, wvw and pvp are player vs player game modes and you don’t have to fight a single player and achieve the legendary armor and put in next to zero effort solo, Raids has always been a group game mode and each individual relying on approximately 9 other players and they have to put in substantial effort. Remember time doesn’t equal effort time is time and waiting things out that’s not effort. Speedrunners put in a lot of effort to be able to clear content in a very efficient manner and get to that skill level of gameplay. Again you are just proving my point, more and more especially with you saying how you do everything you can to avoid putting effort in…. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: You don’t have to play the game modes, wvw and pvp are player vs player game modes and you don’t have to fight a single player and achieve the legendary armor and put in next to zero effort solo, Raids has always been a group game mode and each individual relying on approximately 9 other players and they have to put in substantial effort. Remember time doesn’t equal effort time is time and waiting things out that’s not effort. Speedrunners put in a lot of effort to be able to clear content in a very efficient manner and get to that skill level of gameplay. lolwut? You are making no sense whatsoever. Fact 1: High level pvp requires more skill than high level pve. There is no competition in esports that involves beating NPCs Fact 2: The effort others are putting in has nothing to do with the effort YOU need to put in for legendary armor. And so PvE armor is not only achievable the fastest but it can also require with less effort than flipping camps if done smartly Fact 3: While you may not have to kill any player in WvW, you still need to kill NPCs and cap a camp or a tower. In PvE you don't even need to kill any NPC yourself!!!!!! Nada, nothing, nichts. 29 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Again you are just proving my point, more and more especially with you saying how you do everything you can to avoid putting effort in…. Lol look at this guy going on a tangent and failing to understand a simple point repeatedly. I'm saying PvE is the only game mode where you can buy your way to all of it and you don't need to know or do anything within said game mode. Basically convert your gems to gold/MCs or whatever and pay for the carry if you don't have any friend willing to help you. The only thing you need to do on your own are are HoT OW metas, but the raiding part can be done with no effort and a lot less time investment than both PvP and WvW Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: lolwut? You are making no sense whatsoever. Fact 1: High level pvp requires more skill than high level pve. There is no competition in esports that involves beating NPCs Fact 2: The effort others are putting in has nothing to do with the effort YOU need to put in for legendary armor. And so PvE armor is not only achievable the fastest but it can also require with less effort than flipping camps if done smartly Fact 3: While you may not have to kill any player in WvW, you still need to kill NPCs and cap a camp or a tower. In PvE you don't even need to kill any NPC yourself!!!!!! Nada, nothing, nichts. Lol look at this guy going on a tangent and failing to understand a simple point repeatedly. I'm saying PvE is the only game mode where you can buy your way to all of it and you don't need to know or do anything withing said game mode. The only thing you need to do on your own are are HoT OW metas, but the raiding part can be done with no effort and a lot less time investment than both PvP and WvW You can afk your way to legendary PvP armor not having to leave the spawn or if you want to not get flamed in chat you just run in and feed enemies kills to speed up the process to get legendary pvp armor oooh so much skill…. Wvw slap dolyaks and sentries once every few minutes… such pvp skills right there… those game modes take next to no effort to acquire the legendaries all it takes is time, you don’t have to do any collections Etc and you don’t have to play the game modes and all is done solo.. Raids someone has to put effort in and it’s a group effort since none can beat bosses without other players in raids… you keep bringing up speed runners or people carrying other, they are putting in a large amount of effort to clear that content at a handicap. On top of the collections. Face it raids take a lot more effort in comparison to the above wvw/pvp methods. Also even if you are paying for your runs with gold it took more effort to acquire the amount of gold to complete raid armor sets than the wvw/pvp methods… again you are just proving my point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: You can afk your way to legendary PvP armor not having to leave the spawn or if you want to not get flamed in chat you just run in and feed enemies kills to speed up the process to get legendary pvp armor oooh so much skill…. Wvw slap dolyaks and sentries once every few minutes… such pvp skills right there… those game modes take next to no effort to acquire the legendaries all it takes is time, you don’t have to do any collections Etc and you don’t have to play the game modes and all is done solo.. again you are just proving my point. Nah you are just proving mine and the fact you also have no clue about how certain things work in the game. Fact 4: losing every match in pvp you will end up in silver and bronze (theoretically) rating. At those levels rewards are much lower as a baseline, plus rewards when you lose a MUCH lower than when you win as well. In short, you probably need hundreds of games per season if you play that way and since you will get reported every match, you will also be prevented from even joining the PvP queue for some time. I'm not sure what happens to a person sanctioned multiple times, but you'd assume he/she would be prevented from playing the game mode for longer and longer stretches. Quote Face it raids take a lot more effort in comparison to the above wvw/pvp methods Nope, raids can be bought and can be done with even less effort from YOU. The fact that others need to do the heavy lifting for you has no bearing in this. Quote Also even if you are paying for your runs with gold it took more effort to acquire the amount of gold to complete raid armor sets than the wvw/pvp methods… You can afk farm while not playing and convert gems to gold I don't see the connection between your statement and reality. Like for any of your statements... Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: Nah you are just proving mine. All Fact 4: losing every match in pvp you will end up in silver and bronze (theoretically). At those levels rewards are much slower and rewards when you lose a MUCH slower as well. In short you probably need hundreds of games per season if you play that way and since you will get reported every match, you will probably be prevented from even joining the PvP queue. No raids can be bought and can be done with even less effort from YOU. The fact that others need to do the heavy lifting for you has no bearing in this. You can afk farm and convert gems to gold I don't see the connection between your statement and reality. Like for any of your statements... Doesnt matter pvp takes longer the fact you can afk it and just lose every game and force losing to speed up the amount of games you play has no bearings it’s literally zero effort besides hitting queue match… again time doesn’t equal Effort. Raids have always been a group effort and relying on a group to accomplish the raids and relies on the effort of the group to complete the raids has how they’ve been designed group effort is still effort, also there’s the effort of actually completing the collections required. Farming gold does take effort you put in more effort than slapping a dolyak/ sentry every so often or hitting queue match… Keep reaching for those straws though, it is quite amusing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Doesnt matter pvp takes longer the fact you can afk it and just lose every game and force losing to speed up the amount of games you play has no bearings it’s literally zero effort besides hitting queue match… again time doesn’t equal Effort. Raids have always been a group effort and relying on a group to accomplish the raids and relies on the effort of the group to complete the raids has how they’ve been designed group effort is still effort, also there’s the effort of actually completing the collections required. Farming gold does take effort you put in more effort than slapping a dolyak/ sentry every so often or hitting queue match… Keep reaching for those straws though, it is quite amusing. Ok so we are in agreement that WvW requires more effort than PvP and definitely a lot more effort than buying the PvE set. The collections you keep talking about are all carriable. You can't gg a few items like most of the collection, but it's really not really a point in your favour. Do you think it's harder to move to 2 greens on Cairn or stand in the middle of the platform on Deimos than capping a camp in WvW? lol you are funny. You personally need no effort for the PvE set other than doing those 4 items for Envoy 2, opening chests and doing some OW. Group effort is not your effort. You can pay for other people's effort, while you can't do that in PvP or WvW, as we have seen. Doing RIBA or other gold farming methods for 18 hours is not more effort than playing WvW for 18 hours and will earn you enough gold to pay for your carries, as I mentioned 30 posts above in this very thread. Of course this is a moot point since you can convert actual money into gems and gems into gold and gold into Mystic Coins or whatever currency you use to pay people to carry you. If you want to keep ignoring reality be my guest. It's not me looking like a fool with no knowledge here. Besides why don't you show us your hard earned kps to show us you at least know what you're talking about because you have done it. All of you from the bottom of the barrel unsurprisingly have invalid ids, I wonder why. Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Doesnt matter pvp takes longer the fact you can afk it and just lose every game and force losing to speed up the amount of games you play has no bearings it’s literally zero effort besides hitting queue match… again time doesn’t equal Effort. That assumes you are not prevented from doing so (false, as you do get locked out of queueing) and you will need to queue literally hundreds of times (losses and poor rating = terrible conversion) while paying attention at when the queue pops up (because otherwise, again, you will be locked from queueing). So you can't really afk even the queue lol. Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: That assumes you are not prevented from doing so (false, as you do get locked out of queueing) and you will need to queue literally hundreds of times (losses and poor rating = terrible conversion) while paying attention at when the queue pops up (because otherwise, again, you will be locked from queueing) Oh no keeping track of two screens to click a button while watching Netflix! So hard… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Oh no keeping track of two screens to click a button while watching Netflix! So hard… You can literally do the same when getting carried in pve. So hard.... Next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: hahaha delusions. OK let's see if you can use the wiki. What's the extension time to participation of a donkey and how long do you need to escort the donkey to get at least bronze from it? How long is the extension of a sentry and does it require you to move and kill something? And if you don't know what I mean about you lot touting PvE having invalid ids, don't worry, it just proves my point about you guys... Lulz reaching so hard here who’s escorting dolyaks all you gotta do is kill them not hard to find them they are static paths from their campy towers and sentries are static and you see which ones you don’t own, not that difficult hell it’s so simple a bot could do it. And there’s a lot of player created tools I don’t use, not using a player created tool doesn’t detract from what I said especially since this is my second week back after not playing for two years lmao. Go ahead keep grasping at straws this is getting more amusing as it goes on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: You can literally do the same when getting carried in pve. So hard.... Next Again Raids we’re always group content that requires other people and a group effort since it was designed to not be solo’able…. there’s that word again that you have a hard time grasping just like them straws…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Lulz reaching so hard here who’s escorting dolyaks all you gotta do is kill them not hard to find them they are static paths from their campy towers and sentries are static and you see which ones you don’t own, not that difficult hell it’s so simple a bot could do it. And there’s a lot of player created tools I don’t use, not using a player created tool doesn’t detract from what I said especially since this is my second week back after not playing for two years lmao. Go ahead keep grasping at straws this is getting more amusing as it goes on. hahaha so you do not know the game mode. Million dollar question: can you kill your own sentries and dollies? Btw neither of them give you 10 minutes of participation but carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: hahaha so you do not know the game mode. Million dollar question: can you kill your own sentries and dollies? Btw neither of them give you 10 minutes of participation but carry on. It doesn’t take long to ramp up participation to max takes less than 5 minutes and that’s not even trying hard, then you just periodically go to a new sentry or Dolyak and kill it continue to semi afk since it should run e repeat, you seem to think that’s a colossal amount of effort, makes it clear why you would buy raid completion 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Again Raids we’re always group content that requires other people and a group effort since it was designed to not be solo’able…. there’s that word again that you have a hard time grasping just like them straws…. Oh yes, it's not like there aren't plenty of videos and logs of duo kills in raid encounters! You couldn't make this stuff up!!!! Enrage timers are effectively the only thing that prevents people doing exactly that on every raid boss that does not require mechanically to have more people (think KC for a simple one)😮. All bosses in fractal CMs have been soloed as well, that includes Siaxx and Ai. Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: It doesn’t take long to ramp up participation to max takes less than 5 minutes and that’s not even trying hard, then you just periodically go to a new sentry or Dolyak and kill it continue to semi afk since it should run e repeat, you seem to think that’s a colossal amount of effort, makes it clear why you would buy raid completion 🤣 You wouldn't know how long it takes on average to max participation from lowest even if you'd try to help yourself with the wiki. I'll repeat the questions: how long do they (sentries and dollies) extend your participation to if your time remaining is below it and how long do you need to escort a dolly to get credit for it? Having trouble finding information you are clueless about? 😄 Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Karagee.6830 said: Oh yes, it's not like there aren't plenty of videos and logs of duo kills in raid encounters! You couldn't make this stuff up!!!! Enrage timers are effectively the only thing that prevents people doing exactly that on every raid boss that does not require mechanically to have more people (think KC)😮. All bosses in fractal CMs have been soloed as well Duos not solo… hmm and were those with or without exploits? I wonder… and again if those duos did so with out exploits that’s called effort(there’s that word again that you seem to not grasp) they put in to acquire the skill to do said clear, and I bet it’s only very certain bosses that can be done without exploits with only two people… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Duos not solo… hmm and were those with or without exploits? I wonder… and again if those duos did so with out exploits that’s called effort(there’s that word again that you seem to not grasp) they put in to acquire the skill to do said clear, and I bet it’s only very certain bosses that can be done without exploits with only two people… Duos for 10 man content and solo for 5 man content, I don't see the problem there. That wasn't the reason why I even brought this up, but you seem to be oblivious to it: if raid content can be duo'd barring mechanics and enrage timers and so 8 people can theoretically be carried, how hard can it possibly be to carry just you who paid to get your leggy armor? Edited November 2, 2022 by Karagee.6830 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: I'll repeat the questions: how long do they extend your participation to if your time remaining is below it and how long do you need to escort a dolly to get credit for it? Having trouble finding information you are clueless about? 😄 Again who needs to escort a doly? You don’t, and again time doesn’t equal effort, time is time nothing more nothing less. So trying to say spending time semi afk is effort doesn’t work. To get t6 participation takes less than 5 mins and approx 25 Sentries sped up even further if you slap some yaks en route to said sentries all while semi afk all the while gaining participation and pips along the way, then you only have to maintain the t6 level which takes even less effort all without having to fight a single player in a PvP game mode and doesn’t factor in any bonuses to participation such as outnumbered etc. Edited November 2, 2022 by BlaqueFyre.5678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: Duos for 10 man content and solo for 5 man content, I don't see the problem there. That wasn't the reason why I even brought this up, but you seem to be oblivious to it: if raid content can be duo'd barring mechanics and enrage timers and so 8 people can theoretically be carried, how hard can it possibly be to carry just you who paid to get your leggy armor? Provide proof of a recent duo completing 10 man content without exploits, gotta back up your claims with proof. And again if they did it without exploits they put in a metric ton of effort again effort the thing that rewards are based upon.. Edited November 2, 2022 by BlaqueFyre.5678 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Again who needs to escort a doly? You don’t, and again time doesn’t equal effort, time is time nothing more nothing less. So trying to say spending time semi afk is effort doesn’t work. To get t6 participation takes less than 5 mins and approx 25 Sentries, sped up even further if you slap some yaks en route to said sentries all while semi afk then you only have to maintain the t6 level which takes even less effort all without having to fight a single player in a PvP game mode and doesn’t factor in any bonuses to participation such as outnumbered etc. 🤣hahaha that went right over your head didn't it? Escorting a dolly wasn't brought up by me and it is about the only thing you can do that boosts participation and doesn't involve killing or capping anything, but you seem to be unaware about both the time extension granted by it and the requirements to get credit for it. Your suggestion you would be able to get 25 sentries in 5 minutes is another pearl hahaha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: 🤣hahaha that went right over your head didn't it? Escorting a dolly wasn't brought up by me and it is about the only thing you can do that boosts participation and doesn't involve killing or capping anything, but you seem to be unaware about both the time extension granted by it and the requirements to get credit for it. Your suggestion you would be able to get 25 sentries in 5 minutes is another pearl hahaha 12 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Provide proof of a recent duo completing 10 man content without exploits, gotta back up your claims with proof. And again if they did it without exploits they put in a metric ton of effort again effort the thing that rewards are based upon.. Private messaging is a thing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: Provide proof of a duo completing 10 man content without exploits, gotta back up your claims with proof. And again if they did it without exploits they put in a metric ton of effort again effort the thing that rewards are based upon.. Good luck reconciling with reality want more? Here's more I also never said they were not possible to solo, I said there's plenty of duo's (and sloth difficulty is???) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: 🤣hahaha that went right over your head didn't it? Escorting a dolly wasn't brought up by me and it is about the only thing you can do that boosts participation and doesn't involve killing or capping anything, but you seem to be unaware about both the time extension granted by it and the requirements to get credit for it. Your suggestion you would be able to get 25 sentries in 5 minutes is another pearl hahaha You were the only one that ever mentioned escorting a dolyak, no one else’s ever brought it up…. But that’s not you bringing it up… no not ata all… no mental gymnastics there nope… I only ever said slapping dolyaks fun fact that’s not escorting… Edited November 2, 2022 by BlaqueFyre.5678 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said: Good luck reconciling with reality want more? Here's more I also never said they were not possible to solo, I said there's plenty of duo's (and sloth difficulty is???) Lmao when has 5 years ago been recent… I rest my case… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karagee.6830 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, BlaqueFyre.5678 said: You were the only one that ever mentioned escorting a dolyak, no one else’s ever brought it up…. But that’s not you bringing it up… no not ata all… no mental gymnastics there nope… I only ever said slapping dolyaks fun fact that’s not escorting… You have managed to write something correct in 20 messages, that doesn't help your case at all, champ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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