Sobx.1758 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Ace.9105 said: If it was a real requirement it would not be possible to even get there without the mastery... I wanted to participate to the best of my abilities to the full clear but was just rudely stopped there and kicked. Why is that something you want to happen to players trying to raid? Did you play through the story content of the game? According to what you're saying here, you shouldn't be able start the story because later parts of it requires certain masteries? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batalix.2873 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Ace.9105 said: I wanted to participate but couldn't, that's why i am upset and my evening ruined That's fine, but direct your frustrations in a more informed/constructive way. Don't hate the raiders for handicaps the devs have you that they have no control over. Keep the discussion to the devs, which I see here and there you have been doing. Edited July 10, 2023 by Batalix.2873 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Zero.1028 said: It is a real requirement. I literally just said someone needs to have ley line to do the first encounter But why is it possible to not have it and end up in the final boss then? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Batalix.2873 said: That's fine, but direct your frustrations in a more informed/constructive way. Don't hate the raiders for handicaps the devs have you that they have no control over. Complain to the devs on this one. I mean, that's why i am writing to the forums. Isn't this the place to type to? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batalix.2873 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, The Ace.9105 said: I mean, that's why i am writing to the forums. Isn't this the place to type to? Yeah I went back and checked and modified my response. You're fine. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.1028 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, The Ace.9105 said: But why is it possible to not have it and end up in the final boss then? Because there's literally someone with ley line doing the ley line mechanics for you. Do you seriously not understand that you were carried past the first part? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Zero.1028 said: Because there's literally someone with ley line doing the ley line mechanics for you. Do you seriously not understand that you were carried past the first part? The requirement should be required to even entering in raids if you just suddenly need them 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.1028 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, The Ace.9105 said: The requirement should be required to even entering in raids if you just suddenly need them IT'S LITERALLY THE FIRST MECHANIC YOU RUN INTO WHEN YOU ENTER WING 3. There's nothing sudden about it. God kitten I am done arguing with this moron. Someone else take over 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Zero.1028 said: IT'S LITERALLY THE FIRST MECHANIC YOU RUN INTO WHEN YOU ENTER WING 3. There's nothing sudden about it. God kitten I am done arguing with this moron. Someone else take over Don't be so rude 😞 I could get past everything except the final boss start without having it. Why is that possible if it's later required? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Grey.8135 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Ace.9105 said: I was playing as a condi hybrid ele damage build but didn't notice anything in those, what masteries are required there? If you don‘t know this, I have a question: what do you do at Xera if you get Intervention? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Jarl Grey.8135 said: If you don‘t know this, I have a question: what do you do at Xera if you get Intervention? I didn't get to participate before i was kicked out 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Needing specific tools to perform a task is not discrimination. Every single boss requires some tool or another to defeat. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Ace.9105 said: I didn't get to participate before i was kicked out Make your squad, accept people without leyline mastery and watch what happens. (or I'll tell you: you're done with the encounter within first 30 seconds of it because you can't even move from the first platform) Edited July 10, 2023 by Sobx.1758 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ashen.2907 said: Needing specific tools to perform a task is not discrimination. Every single boss requires some tool or another to defeat. I wasn't able to even participate because i didn't have the final tier of gliding Edited July 10, 2023 by The Ace.9105 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, The Ace.9105 said: I wasn't eble to even participate because i didn't have the final tier of gliding And if they didn't kick you, you still wouldn't be able to participate, because the only way you could leave the first platform is by falling off of it and spending the rest of the fight (which makes it ENTIRE fight) on the ground with 0 hp. You weren't somehow "gatekept" from anything by any player, you simply didn't meet the base requirements for the encounter. Edited July 10, 2023 by Sobx.1758 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, The Ace.9105 said: I wasn't eble to even participate because i didn't have the final tier of gliding OK. And someone without armor, weapons, or unlocked skills would not be able to participate either. If a tool is necessary for a piece of content, get it or play different content. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Ace.9105 said: Point is, it's not fun, takes too long and is gatekeeping the content Then you know Raids are not for you. If you have no patience for something so simple as getting a relevant mastery, you would have quit sooner or later anyway. One surely can argue that Raid accessibility could be better (i know i did argue for this a lot, and i still think so), but masteries are probably the least important part of it. In the end, it's not the lack of masteries that stop most players from participating in this content. Of all potenial issues Raids might have picking masteries is like the meme of "Guilty of (list of crimes here)... and jaywalking". Masteries are the "jaywalking" of raids. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batalix.2873 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Zero.1028 said: IT'S LITERALLY THE FIRST MECHANIC YOU RUN INTO WHEN YOU ENTER WING 3. There's nothing sudden about it. God kitten I am done arguing with this moron. Someone else take over In fairness, the escort mission is a lot more lenient with respect to leylines. Technically a single Mesmer with leyline gliding can do all towers for nine players without leyline gliding, and many pugs just do that. So neither of you are totally wrong on this point. Yes, it is possible to get "carried" on escort, but in most situations the player wouldn't even have to engage with leylines anyway, they could be on warg duty and still be contributing as expected. It's a harder argument to say party split roles amount to "carrying" the same way that Xera is hard gated for all party members. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: And if they didn't kick you, you still wouldn't be able to participate, because the only way you could leave the first platform is by falling off of it and spending the rest of the fight (which makes it ENTIRE fight) on the ground with 0 hp. You weren't somehow "gatekept" from anything by any player, you simply didn't meet the base requirements for the encounter. But why can i progress to the end then? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batalix.2873 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, The Ace.9105 said: But why can i progress to the end then? Because that is just how raids were designed for some reason. The devs decided that most of the masteries would only apply to the final boss of each wing. If anything it's not gatekeeping, it's gatewaying. The idea would have been to lure you in with the raid, give you some fun and prizes, then see that there is more you can do if you want to fully finish the raid. It encourages you to go back to open world and masteries, and then further encourages you to repeat the wing again when you have more tools. In 2014, might have been more acceptable design from an MMO perspective. Nowadays, I can definitely see players complaining about it from several points. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Ace.9105 said: But why can i progress to the end then? Because gradual increments in requirements isn't a new concept for the game design, pretty sure it was already explained here. Why are you able to start playing through the story content when you need masteries/mounts later on? Well, for the exact same reason. Edited July 10, 2023 by Sobx.1758 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, The Ace.9105 said: Why are you being so rude to me? 😞 I explained the fact that all raid boss encounters are gated in one way or another and that you could choose to do a different boss if you dont want to unlock one particular gate. Disagreeing with your premise is not rude. Asking players to use an expac feature to play some of the content of that expac is not toxic. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ace.9105 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Ashen.2907 said: I explained the fact that all raid boss encounters are gated in one way or another and that you could choose to do a different boss if you dont want to unlock one particular gate. Disagreeing with your premise is not rude. Asking players to use an expac feature to play some of the content of that expac is not toxic. But calling me a fool and acting like i am dumb feels toxic 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, The Ace.9105 said: But calling me a fool and acting like i am dumb feels toxic They never called you a fool, go re-read the post. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, The Ace.9105 said: But calling me a fool and acting like i am dumb feels toxic Claiming that someone called you a fool when they have said nothing of the sort is toxic. Reread my posts. At no point did I call you a fool. Did you misread my reference to needing a tool (with a T not an F) as calling you a fool? 3 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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