draxynnic.3719 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 10:19 PM, WingSwipe.3084 said: Using it more as an overloaded blunderbuss, god thats a baller idea. Rifle being 400 top range with heft attack speed disadvantage but hitting like 8 times in a scattercannon style. The closer you are the harder it hits. Primal burst being a dragons breath round that applies more stacks of burning the closer you are to the target. Could be a cool condi weapon. Wouldnt be opposed to walking around with a 4 guage shotgun. ...isn't that basically the idea behind the offhand pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said: ...isn't that basically the idea behind the offhand pistol? A blunderbuss would have more range than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/22/2023 at 9:40 AM, WingSwipe.3084 said: Make brutal shot fire before the evade, right now its only useful for the evade. Psst. *leans in real close* fire a shot --while-- evading. Rename it rolling shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: A blunderbuss would have more range than that. Yes, but... On 9/28/2023 at 10:19 PM, WingSwipe.3084 said: Rifle being 400 top range with hefty attack speed disadvantage but hitting like 8 times in a scattercannon style. The closer you are the harder it hits. 400 is a little more than Dragon's Roar, but still within what I typically consider to be 'basically melee with extra reach' range. The post I was responding to basically seems to be suggesting turning rifle into offhand pistol as a full five-skill weapon. Which could be cool if not, y'know, on a profession where rifle is one of only two ranged weapons. Edited September 30, 2023 by draxynnic.3719 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 I think the "does more damage when closer" thing was already done on Engi rifle too. Tbh they probably could have gotten away with Warrior having the assault rifle style that engi got with the new AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, draxynnic.3719 said: Yes, but... 400 is a little more than Dragon's Roar, but still within what I typically consider to be 'basically melee with extra reach' range. The post I was responding to basically seems to be suggesting turning rifle into offhand pistol as a full five-skill weapon. Which could be cool if not, y'know, on a profession where rifle is one of only two ranged weapons. If we turned it into a shot gun it would have to have 600-900 range on it's skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: If we turned it into a shot gun it would have to have 600-900 range on it's skills. Again, that's not what the person I was responding to was proposing. Argue with them, not me.* More broadly, though, @Eekasqueak.7850 shows the bigger problem with a shotgun style: engineer already does that. If you ask me, the basic concepts of the skills are already decent, but they fall down on coefficients, activation time, the shot after the dodge being too slow, and other mostly numerical concerns. I don't think reworking the weapon into something entirely new is needed at this point, it just needs to be better at what it's already supposed to be doing. *Although I would note that guardian staff used to be essentially a 600-range magic shotgun auto, and it got terminated with extreme prejudice because of WvW. So I don't think anyone else is getting a projectile-less cone as an auto that goes much past 400. So you'd probably have a single bullet auto and the shotgun spread as a cooldown... which, in addition to what engi already does, is almost already done by Explosive Shell, except that that starts the cone on the first target hit. Edited October 1, 2023 by draxynnic.3719 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 20 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said: Again, that's not what the person I was responding to was proposing. Argue with them, not me.* More broadly, though, @Eekasqueak.7850 shows the bigger problem with a shotgun style: engineer already does that. If you ask me, the basic concepts of the skills are already decent, but they fall down on coefficients, activation time, the shot after the dodge being too slow, and other mostly numerical concerns. I don't think reworking the weapon into something entirely new is needed at this point, it just needs to be better at what it's already supposed to be doing. *Although I would note that guardian staff used to be essentially a 600-range magic shotgun auto, and it got terminated with extreme prejudice because of WvW. So I don't think anyone else is getting a projectile-less cone as an auto that goes much past 400. So you'd probably have a single bullet auto and the shotgun spread as a cooldown... which, in addition to what engi already does, is almost already done by Explosive Shell, except that that starts the cone on the first target hit. At this point in time most people are more then aware that its a numerical problem rather then a functionality issue. Just spitballing ideas knowing that Anet wont do much changing to Warriors rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownDrisis.4826 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1500 range to match the F1 abilities. Make the 2 actually do something. End of list honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, DownDrisis.4826 said: 1500 range to match the F1 abilities. Make the 2 actually do something. End of list honestly. It feels like that should be a Deadeye thing, if warriors rifle outdid deadeye it would look quite silly on Anet:s part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 3 hours ago, WingSwipe.3084 said: It feels like that should be a Deadeye thing, if warriors rifle outdid deadeye it would look quite silly on Anet:s part. About like Ranger Longbow having 1500 range but DE rifle not eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: About like Ranger Longbow having 1500 range but DE rifle not eh? They did theives dirty with that one. Even when DE wasnt allowed to move it should have been 1500 range on all their rifle attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, WingSwipe.3084 said: They did theives dirty with that one. Even when DE wasnt allowed to move it should have been 1500 range on all their rifle attacks. I feel like DE Rifle, War Rifle, and Ranger LB are the three weapons that should all be 1500 range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: I feel like DE Rifle, War Rifle, and Ranger LB are the three weapons that should all be 1500 range. Could agree to DE and ranger, but warrior rifle feels like its too much with 1500 range. Warrior longbow absolutley, but not for rifle. Edited October 3, 2023 by WingSwipe.3084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, WingSwipe.3084 said: Could agree to DE and ranger, but warrior rifle feels like its too much with 1500 range. Warrior longbow absolutley, but not for rifle. Rifle needs something to make it better and finally useful. It already has 1500 range bursts, so it makes sense to make 1-4 1500 range as well to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: About like Ranger Longbow having 1500 range but DE rifle not eh? 1500+ btw. The tooltip is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: 1500+ btw. The tooltip is wrong. Yeah, I know, the arrow travels further than 1500. Too bad bullets don't do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 9:22 PM, WingSwipe.3084 said: At this point in time most people are more then aware that its a numerical problem rather then a functionality issue. Just spitballing ideas knowing that Anet wont do much changing to Warriors rifle. There's not much point I can see to making suggestions that would make the situation worse (a 400 range shotgun would basically be yet another melee weapon for all practical purposes) or that we know won't happen (a long-range shotgun auto would be Wave of Wrath returned, and that was destroyed and ultimately replaced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonecap.4105 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Rifle needs something to make it better and finally useful. It already has 1500 range bursts, so it makes sense to make 1-4 1500 range as well to me. This would make my dreams come true honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 Well then, guess who posted about warriors rifle. A plesant coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, WingSwipe.3084 said: Well then, guess who posted about warriors rifle. A plesant coincidence. This seems too coincidental, anyone think he is browsing these forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 hours ago, WingSwipe.3084 said: Well then, guess who posted about warriors rifle. A plesant coincidence. Pretty succent summary of why rifle is bad in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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