BadMed.3846 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:EoTM was a waste of effort from the get go. Same as the desert map. Likewise in PvP stronghold was an absolute waste too.It's history and hope Anet learns from it. Don't invest in content that is not required. Variety splits the player base and the new content seekers only enjoy new stuff for a very limited period of time.what is your basis?Go into EoTM and see it for yourself. Good luck if you enjoy it there. I only see ppters excited about desert BLs. Most pvpers ignore stronghold altogether.What other basis do you need? Stats? Happy for Anet to share. I talk from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:EoTM was a waste of effort from the get go. Same as the desert map. Likewise in PvP stronghold was an absolute waste too.It's history and hope Anet learns from it. Don't invest in content that is not required. Variety splits the player base and the new content seekers only enjoy new stuff for a very limited period of time.what is your basis?Go into EoTM and see it for yourself. Good luck if you enjoy it there. I only see ppters excited about desert BLs. Most pvpers ignore stronghold altogether.What other basis do you need? Stats? Happy for Anet to share. I talk from experience.so you have no basis for the cause?of course ppl do ppt in wvw, it is a ppt mode with pk.sure i go to eotm every now and then for nostalgic purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMed.3846 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:EoTM was a waste of effort from the get go. Same as the desert map. Likewise in PvP stronghold was an absolute waste too.It's history and hope Anet learns from it. Don't invest in content that is not required. Variety splits the player base and the new content seekers only enjoy new stuff for a very limited period of time.what is your basis?Go into EoTM and see it for yourself. Good luck if you enjoy it there. I only see ppters excited about desert BLs. Most pvpers ignore stronghold altogether.What other basis do you need? Stats? Happy for Anet to share. I talk from experience.so you have no basis for the cause?of course ppl do ppt in wvw, it is a ppt mode with pk.sure i go to eotm every now and then for nostalgic purposes.I have basis for the cause. Please read again. I hope you will get it after a few reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:EoTM was a waste of effort from the get go. Same as the desert map. Likewise in PvP stronghold was an absolute waste too.It's history and hope Anet learns from it. Don't invest in content that is not required. Variety splits the player base and the new content seekers only enjoy new stuff for a very limited period of time.what is your basis?Go into EoTM and see it for yourself. Good luck if you enjoy it there. I only see ppters excited about desert BLs. Most pvpers ignore stronghold altogether.What other basis do you need? Stats? Happy for Anet to share. I talk from experience.so you have no basis for the cause?of course ppl do ppt in wvw, it is a ppt mode with pk.sure i go to eotm every now and then for nostalgic purposes.I have basis for the cause. Please read again. I hope you will get it after a few reads.what is your basis except for experience? because if that is your basis, i can counter it by saying, well i experienced different. =pnow give me some data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMed.3846 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:EoTM was a waste of effort from the get go. Same as the desert map. Likewise in PvP stronghold was an absolute waste too.It's history and hope Anet learns from it. Don't invest in content that is not required. Variety splits the player base and the new content seekers only enjoy new stuff for a very limited period of time.what is your basis?Go into EoTM and see it for yourself. Good luck if you enjoy it there. I only see ppters excited about desert BLs. Most pvpers ignore stronghold altogether.What other basis do you need? Stats? Happy for Anet to share. I talk from experience.so you have no basis for the cause?of course ppl do ppt in wvw, it is a ppt mode with pk.sure i go to eotm every now and then for nostalgic purposes.I have basis for the cause. Please read again. I hope you will get it after a few reads.what is your basis except for experience? because if that is your basis, i can counter it by saying, well i experienced different. =pnow give me some data.Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @BadMed.3846 said:Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.It's no longer possible, nearly no one is there since PIPS got added to WvW and not to EotM.Usage of EotM was nevertheless interesting.1) It got developed to give WvW-player in queue some action2) It developed to the Leveling Karma Train for twinks, as this was the by far fastest way to level from 1 to 80.3) WEXP Ranks got added to WvW and EotM, it developed to the fastest WEXP Rankup train,4) WvW-player started to be upset about EotM, as a lot people preferred EotM over WvW and WvW started to die.5) ANet reduced WEXP in EotM below WvW, still a lot player preferred EotM6) ANet stopped giving (Level)-Exp in EotM and WvW (instead added Tome's from Reward Tracks)7) WvW even more upset as people continued playing EotM and even started fighting in EotM, as EotM appeared to be much better filled than WvW outside primetime8) ANet added Pips to WvW, but not to EotM, and killed EotM by that9) WvW stayed dead, as EotM was not filled because it had many people, but because it had demand driven number of maps.We can learn: the current 20 (EU)/16 (NA) maps cannot be filled 24/7, a demand driven allocation of maps as in EotM produces better game-play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:@Sovereign.1093 said:@BadMed.3846 said:EoTM was a waste of effort from the get go. Same as the desert map. Likewise in PvP stronghold was an absolute waste too.It's history and hope Anet learns from it. Don't invest in content that is not required. Variety splits the player base and the new content seekers only enjoy new stuff for a very limited period of time.what is your basis?Go into EoTM and see it for yourself. Good luck if you enjoy it there. I only see ppters excited about desert BLs. Most pvpers ignore stronghold altogether.What other basis do you need? Stats? Happy for Anet to share. I talk from experience.so you have no basis for the cause?of course ppl do ppt in wvw, it is a ppt mode with pk.sure i go to eotm every now and then for nostalgic purposes.I have basis for the cause. Please read again. I hope you will get it after a few reads.what is your basis except for experience? because if that is your basis, i can counter it by saying, well i experienced different. =pnow give me some data.Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.that is not proof. :/ you dont know what your talking about do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Dayra.7405 said:@BadMed.3846 said:Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.It's no longer possible, nearly no one is there since PIPS got added to WvW and not to EotM.Usage of EotM was nevertheless interesting.1) It got developed to give WvW-player in queue some action2) It developed to the Leveling Karma Train for twinks, as this was the by far fastest way to level from 1 to 80.3) WEXP Ranks got added to WvW and EotM, it developed to the fastest WEXP Rankup train,4) WvW-player started to be upset about EotM, as a lot people preferred EotM over WvW and WvW started to die.5) ANet reduced WEXP in EotM below WvW, still a lot player preferred EotM6) ANet stopped giving (Level)-Exp in EotM and WvW (instead added Tome's from Reward Tracks)7) WvW even more upset as people continued playing EotM and even started fighting in EotM, as EotM appears to be much better filled than WvW outside primetime8) ANet added Pips to WvW, but not to EotM, and killed EotM by that9) WvW stayed dead, as EotM was not filled because it had many people, but because it had demand driven number of maps.We can learn: the current 20 (EU)/16 (NA) maps cannot be filled 24/7, a demand driven allocation of maps as in EotM produces better game-play.i agree. :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 My prefered future of EotM and WvW:PIPS/Skirmishes and the EB-Map are added to EotM-Mode (EotM-Mode = a match last 1 skirmish, afterwards maps are closed, new maps are allocated based on demand), team assignment is changed from WvW-color, to: squad/party/player formed in PvE is added to the smallest TeamWvW (24/7 matches on the 4 WvW-maps) get reduced to 1 tier of Alliances relinked every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Dayra.7405 said:My prefered future of EotM and WvW:PIPS/Skirmishes and the EB-Map are added to EotM-Mode (EotM-Mode = a match last 1 skirmish, afterwards maps are closed, new maps are allocated based on demand)WvW get reduced to 1 tier of Alliances relinked every weekim willing to try that.what devs must do is allow some beta testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare.5129 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 no PIPS, no exp. And you ask why it is "rip" ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 now wvw is the new eotm but unlike eotm the server with the most consistent and populated timezone will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Sovereign.1093 said:now wvw is the new eotm but unlike eotm the server with the most consistent and populated timezone will win.Now is since 6 years (at least outside prime) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Btw.: Did the GvG fans ever noted the arena-map added to EotM, that allows GvGs from guilds of different colors (independent of the tier they are in)?I just noted it yesterday, but it was as empty as the rest of EotM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Dayra.7405 said:Btw.: Did the GvG fans ever noted the arena-map added to EotM, that allows GvGs from guilds of different colors (independent of the tier they are in)?I just noted it yesterday, but it was as empty as the rest of EotM.well, gvg isnt as popular i suppose, anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanger.3162 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @"lare.5129" said:no PIPS, no exp. And you ask why it is "rip" ??And don't forget no mount or gliding in EoTM either.We have a group that still runs EoTM every night, mostly to help new players get fast reward track completion for the Warclaw, most nights it takes around 30 min to cap every tower and keep if we have a mes for ports with little to no resistance except for vet NPCs so it's quick and fast....surprisingly most nights it's 20+ people in the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Dayra.7405 said:@BadMed.3846 said:Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.It's no longer possible, nearly no one is there since PIPS got added to WvW and not to EotM.Usage of EotM was nevertheless interesting.1) It got developed to give WvW-player in queue some action2) It developed to the Leveling Karma Train for twinks, as this was the by far fastest way to level from 1 to 80.3) WEXP Ranks got added to WvW and EotM, it developed to the fastest WEXP Rankup train,4) WvW-player started to be upset about EotM, as a lot people preferred EotM over WvW and WvW started to die.5) ANet reduced WEXP in EotM below WvW, still a lot player preferred EotM6) ANet stopped giving (Level)-Exp in EotM and WvW (instead added Tome's from Reward Tracks)7) WvW even more upset as people continued playing EotM and even started fighting in EotM, as EotM appeared to be much better filled than WvW outside primetime8) ANet added Pips to WvW, but not to EotM, and killed EotM by that9) WvW stayed dead, as EotM was not filled because it had many people, but because it had demand driven number of maps.We can learn: the current 20 (EU)/16 (NA) maps cannot be filled 24/7, a demand driven allocation of maps as in EotM produces better game-play.OR pvers who 95% frequented eotm had no interest whatsoever in wvw, did it for the big rewards they reaped pve style, and promptly left when said rewards (pve rewards) got nerfed, as eotm was supposed to be a wvw mode. I was playing eotm for a while, and I can assure you that fights were scarce and only happened when a skirmish was about to end, as a last troll fight. And eotm frequenters would never step foot in actual WvW cause, guess what, they were gonna be rallybots. And many people dont like pvp elements when they pve. Which is the part exactly they didnt do in eotm. Pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Maybe you missed phase 7) (in EU, no clue if it existed in NA) but at that time WvW during offtime was at best one map-jumping-zerg per side, and they played search and hide by map-hopping (as one of the 3 was usually much larger than the other 2) and karma-train in WvW (i.e. as today, except that not every side has a zerg anymore :)) .At that time (and only at that time and in EU, no clue about NA) EotM during offtime had a filled map with Zergs finding and fighting each other.Pure PvE people had mostly left EotM at point 6). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @"Dayra.7405" said:Maybe you missed phase 7) (in EU, no clue if it existed in NA) but at that time WvW during offtime was at best one map-jumping-zerg per side, and they played search and hide by map-hopping (as one of the 3 was usually much larger than the other 2) and karma-train in WvW (i.e. as today, except that not every side has a zerg anymore :)) .At that time (and only at that time and in EU, no clue about NA) EotM during offtime had a filled map with Zergs finding and fighting each other.Pure PvE people had mostly left EotM at point 6).I didnt miss anything. I was daily in eotm maps, levelled many chars, and I can only remember what? 5 fights in 4 months? I can understand people not liking it when their favorite farmmap is nerfed, much like Istan or Multiloot tarir, I can understand people farming the hell outta something that gives em most rewards for the time the spend there (eotm had full pve and wvw rewards). Now its just SOME wvw rewards. I mean its not hard to understand why people left when rewards were nerfed. If they enjoyed the "fights" or whatever else, they would have stayed.Guess what, they didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Voltekka.2375 said:I didnt miss anything. I was daily in eotm maps, levelled many chars, That was NOT possible in phase 7, you did not got EXP in phase 7 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Dayra.7405 said:@"Voltekka.2375" said:I didnt miss anything. I was daily in eotm maps, levelled many chars, That was NOT possible in phase 7, you did not got EXP in phase 7 :)Dunno what "phase 7" was, but maps were severely diminished after pve rewards were nerfed. After that I turned to reg wvw, full time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Voltekka.2375 said:@Dayra.7405 said:@Voltekka.2375 said:I didnt miss anything. I was daily in eotm maps, levelled many chars, That was NOT possible in phase 7, you did not got EXP in phase 7 :)Dunno what "phase 7" was,Lol, you just said, you haven't read/understood what you have cited and argued against :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 @Voltekka.2375 said:@Dayra.7405 said:@BadMed.3846 said:Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.It's no longer possible, nearly no one is there since PIPS got added to WvW and not to EotM.Usage of EotM was nevertheless interesting.1) It got developed to give WvW-player in queue some action2) It developed to the Leveling Karma Train for twinks, as this was the by far fastest way to level from 1 to 80.3) WEXP Ranks got added to WvW and EotM, it developed to the fastest WEXP Rankup train,4) WvW-player started to be upset about EotM, as a lot people preferred EotM over WvW and WvW started to die.5) ANet reduced WEXP in EotM below WvW, still a lot player preferred EotM6) ANet stopped giving (Level)-Exp in EotM and WvW (instead added Tome's from Reward Tracks)7) WvW even more upset as people continued playing EotM and even started fighting in EotM, as EotM appeared to be much better filled than WvW outside primetime8) ANet added Pips to WvW, but not to EotM, and killed EotM by that9) WvW stayed dead, as EotM was not filled because it had many people, but because it had demand driven number of maps.We can learn: the current 20 (EU)/16 (NA) maps cannot be filled 24/7, a demand driven allocation of maps as in EotM produces better game-play.OR pvers who 95% frequented eotm had no interest whatsoever in wvw, did it for the big rewards they reaped pve style, and promptly left when said rewards (pve rewards) got nerfed, as eotm was supposed to be a wvw mode. I was playing eotm for a while, and I can assure you that fights were scarce and only happened when a skirmish was about to end, as a last troll fight. And eotm frequenters would never step foot in actual WvW cause, guess what, they were gonna be rallybots. And many people dont like pvp elements when they pve. Which is the part exactly they didnt do in eotm. Pvp. wasnt much different in wvw to be honest. it was the war of the most loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMed.3846 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 @Sovereign.1093 said:@Voltekka.2375 said:@Dayra.7405 said:@BadMed.3846 said:Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.It's no longer possible, nearly no one is there since PIPS got added to WvW and not to EotM.Usage of EotM was nevertheless interesting.1) It got developed to give WvW-player in queue some action2) It developed to the Leveling Karma Train for twinks, as this was the by far fastest way to level from 1 to 80.3) WEXP Ranks got added to WvW and EotM, it developed to the fastest WEXP Rankup train,4) WvW-player started to be upset about EotM, as a lot people preferred EotM over WvW and WvW started to die.5) ANet reduced WEXP in EotM below WvW, still a lot player preferred EotM6) ANet stopped giving (Level)-Exp in EotM and WvW (instead added Tome's from Reward Tracks)7) WvW even more upset as people continued playing EotM and even started fighting in EotM, as EotM appeared to be much better filled than WvW outside primetime8) ANet added Pips to WvW, but not to EotM, and killed EotM by that9) WvW stayed dead, as EotM was not filled because it had many people, but because it had demand driven number of maps.We can learn: the current 20 (EU)/16 (NA) maps cannot be filled 24/7, a demand driven allocation of maps as in EotM produces better game-play.OR pvers who 95% frequented eotm had no interest whatsoever in wvw, did it for the big rewards they reaped pve style, and promptly left when said rewards (pve rewards) got nerfed, as eotm was supposed to be a wvw mode. I was playing eotm for a while, and I can assure you that fights were scarce and only happened when a skirmish was about to end, as a last troll fight. And eotm frequenters would never step foot in actual WvW cause, guess what, they were gonna be rallybots. And many people dont like pvp elements when they pve. Which is the part exactly they didnt do in eotm. Pvp. wasnt much different in wvw to be honest. it was the war of the most loot.Big difference. WvW bags are about fight. EoTM was mindless ktrain for PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 @Voltekka.2375 said:@Dayra.7405 said:@"BadMed.3846" said:Go play EoTM for an hour. You'll have your data. Good luck.It's no longer possible, nearly no one is there since PIPS got added to WvW and not to EotM.Usage of EotM was nevertheless interesting.1) It got developed to give WvW-player in queue some action2) It developed to the Leveling Karma Train for twinks, as this was the by far fastest way to level from 1 to 80.3) WEXP Ranks got added to WvW and EotM, it developed to the fastest WEXP Rankup train,4) WvW-player started to be upset about EotM, as a lot people preferred EotM over WvW and WvW started to die.5) ANet reduced WEXP in EotM below WvW, still a lot player preferred EotM6) ANet stopped giving (Level)-Exp in EotM and WvW (instead added Tome's from Reward Tracks)7) WvW even more upset as people continued playing EotM and even started fighting in EotM, as EotM appeared to be much better filled than WvW outside primetime8) ANet added Pips to WvW, but not to EotM, and killed EotM by that9) WvW stayed dead, as EotM was not filled because it had many people, but because it had demand driven number of maps.We can learn: the current 20 (EU)/16 (NA) maps cannot be filled 24/7, a demand driven allocation of maps as in EotM produces better game-play.OR pvers who 95% frequented eotm had no interest whatsoever in wvw, did it for the big rewards they reaped pve style, and promptly left when said rewards (pve rewards) got nerfed, as eotm was supposed to be a wvw mode. I was playing eotm for a while, and I can assure you that fights were scarce and only happened when a skirmish was about to end, as a last troll fight. And eotm frequenters would never step foot in actual WvW cause, guess what, they were gonna be rallybots. And many people dont like pvp elements when they pve. Which is the part exactly they didnt do in eotm. Pvp. I can agree with that, whenever i visted eotm ppl just tried to get their pve loot, from time to time you had a commander who wanted to fight, but often none of the pve kittens pushed with him and got wiped and instantly looked for a map were the karmatrain was still going smoothly. Never noticed that "phase7" (which btw sounds very much made up, and im on eu servers) Eotm with pips would just draw more pve player and some wvw player (who tell themself that its still a wvw mode) into it and split the wvw player even more, so there would be even less ppl on the normal wvw maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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