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  • Re Jormag's speech in the trailer: It strikes me that it can easily be something that comes later in the story and not as the prelude to the whole thing like it's being treated. Presumably because Bangar's plans have fallen apart and his world is collapsing around him... which tends to happen when you try to kill the Commander... and Jormag has come to offer him an out.

    Assuming Anet even reuses that speech in-game. It could just have been only for the trailer.

    The Commander will end you.

  • @thepenmonster.3621 said:
    Re Jormag's speech in the trailer: It strikes me that it can easily be something that comes later in the story and not as the prelude to the whole thing like it's being treated. Presumably because Bangar's plans have fallen apart and his world is collapsing around him... which tends to happen when you try to kill the Commander... and Jormag has come to offer him an out.

    Assuming Anet even reuses that speech in-game. It could just have been only for the trailer.

    This actually sounds like a good idea to me.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • Psientist.6437Psientist.6437 Member ✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    Utilizing the rules of Checkov's Gun, that vision should have a purpose - but if it isn't Kralkatorrik's pre-Torment motivation, then what purpose did it have in the story? None. Kralkatorrik denies Glint's conclusion, that he feared his vision, so what purpose does the vision have?

    Unless we label the vision as poor amateur writing, then it has to have some purpose to the narrative. It didn't really serve any purpose for the PC and friend's motivation, since it literally did nothing to improve our standing besides a pep talk, so what other purpose can it have, besides being Kralkatorrik's original motivation that led him to being exposed to torment and causing the modern situation?

    Personally, I'd rather not chalk anything up to "it's just poor writing" because that's bland and boring for theorycrafting.

    The number of dangling references in this story would give Checkov a fit. Checov's rule won't help us here. Imo, the writers would reject Checkov's rule and replace with it with a rule that the supply of dangling references shouldn't fall below a certain number. It would be a better rule for a serial fantasy drama where the writers aren't in control. I also think you are applying too stringent a rule for power acquisition. The real world and Tyria teems with examples of beings who gather power to themselves so that they can spend power on anything they want or just be powerful. Elder dragon's have always been the embodiment of the instinct to gather power.

    Perhaps we need to embrace the concept of there genuinely being two Kralkatorriks. The Tormented Kralk is the part of their mind possessed by magic and would grow in strength over time. Glint's vision describes their death or lose of power. It would be Tormented Kralk who fights the vision and not the vision that causes Tormented Kralk to emerge. At the most, the vision would have accelerated Tormented Kralk's growth as it gathered power. The non-Tormented Kralk, certainly not sane Kralk, could always have been present or the vision's effect on Tormented Kralk forced it to emerge or condense. This Kralk would not fear death or Glint's vision. It would want an end to the dragon cycle and see Aurene as worth protecting because she makes its end possible. She is new, she is not of the pain of the dragon cycle, and she is a brilliant reflection of the dull mote of good (or not evil) that persists within Kralk's divided mind. Their kinship is a bonus but not essential.

    all primes work and not tearing down has value
    ready purrlayer @ any parsed feels enhance the value of something that is already worth everything
    what other chordal approach but penultimate singing along with other quantum cuddle clocks

  • Psientist.6437Psientist.6437 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2020

    @thepenmonster.3621 said:
    Re Jormag's speech in the trailer: It strikes me that it can easily be something that comes later in the story and not as the prelude to the whole thing like it's being treated. Presumably because Bangar's plans have fallen apart and his world is collapsing around him... which tends to happen when you try to kill the Commander... and Jormag has come to offer him an out.

    Assuming Anet even reuses that speech in-game. It could just have been only for the trailer.

    Wow, that works well. In the speech, Jormag is trying to seduce the listener to give up the struggle against death, the end of unique experience. The fear of death causes the enslaved human to adapt to the whip, the Charr and Norn to chase conflict or legend that makes a name immortal. Jormag wants everyone to stop worrying about preserving their uniqueness and become part of Jormag's sphere. That message doesn't resonate with Bangar's love of, and faith in, all things Charr. If Bangar fails, then they would be more vulnerable to Jormag's logic.

    all primes work and not tearing down has value
    ready purrlayer @ any parsed feels enhance the value of something that is already worth everything
    what other chordal approach but penultimate singing along with other quantum cuddle clocks