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Devs advised that they didn’t want to spoil the common enemy that fight in the fractal. Wondering what everyone’s speculation on what it is. DSD minions? Ministry of Purity? Something else? Apparently the fractal takes place between Winds of Change and GW2.

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  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ""The next major story arc that will be happening will be taking place in Cantha, for Winds of Change. This is going to be a pretty big tale, that helps set the stage for some of the events to come- important history by the time of Guild Wars 2, which is some 250 years in the future. Additionally, players will also see some new content going into the game for Wintersday, and there'll be our planned feature build that we'll talk about some more as we get closer to its release!""

    This was in reference to Guild Wars Beyond. So whatever the tale is is probably the same one. Another quote mentioned the same, "things people will be surprised by."

    In terms of being a big tale and setting the stage for events to come, that could really be anything but the fact that it's important now in Guild Wars 2 would make me think it's dragon related.

    This seems like it's around the time life has started to return to Echovald and parts of the Jade Sea have supposedly been turning back. I'm not sure how much of it is truly relevant to the current story though. It seems like they already had the fractal together somewhat and repurposed it. So the fact that the peak is splintered and floating in the mists makes me think that it's not going to be immediately relevant.

    Unless the Cantha we're going to is splintered floating rocks. Then again they also said that they wanted the fractal to feel like Cantha but not spoil the surprise of seeing it in the open world when the expansion releases. So, who knows really. It doesn't seem like it can be something that ACTUALLY happened but I suppose it could be something that happened in an alternate reality but still sheds light onto our current predicament?

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Unless the Cantha we're going to is splintered floating rocks. Then again they also said that they wanted the fractal to feel like Cantha but not spoil the surprise of seeing it in the open world when the expansion releases. So, who knows really. It doesn't seem like it can be something that ACTUALLY happened but I suppose it could be something that happened in an alternate reality but still sheds light onto our current predicament?

    It is quite common for the fractals to be broken these days anyways. More due to how that fractal cannot properly form the entire land due to missing certain pieces about that spot's history.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020

    During the live stream too the host, Rubi Bayer, did specifically mention that the peak was fractured/floating because weird kitten happens when locations/moments in history are pulled from the real world into the Mists.

    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    During the live stream too the host, Rubi Bayer, did specifically mention that the peak was fractured/floating because weird kitten happens when locations/moments in history are pulled from the real world into the Mists.

    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

    Maybe we will see the DSD minions in the water area of the fractal.

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  • @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    During the live stream too the host, Rubi Bayer, did specifically mention that the peak was fractured/floating because weird kitten happens when locations/moments in history are pulled from the real world into the Mists.

    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

    Maybe we will see the DSD minions in the water area of the fractal.

    I doubt this for three reasons:

    1. Time period; this is supposed to be when Cantha is "on the verge" of going isolationist, which means it happens years or maybe a couple decades after GW1's time. While the DSD is heavily hinted to be the second Elder Dragon to wake up, it woke up in the ocean depths; and even if we're just talking about some champion herald like the Great Destroyer, I feel like that's too great a thing to come out of nowhere pre-isolation.
    2. Fractal theme; as mentioned, the fractal theme is about "quelling the elements", and that's what all the other enemies are (elementals) except for the final boss, and among the elements mentioned is water. Dragon minions != elementals. Curiously enough, this game does not have any water elementals (or any elementals that are fought underwater either). So any 'water elemental' enemy would be brand new, and they may want to keep the brand new model a surprise for xyz reason.
    3. Location; the fractal is a mountain, in the dead center of Shing Jea Island. Odd place for dragon minions for the deep sea dragon to be - even if it is a fractal.

    All these squares make a circle.
    All these squares make a circle.
    All these squares make a circle.

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    During the live stream too the host, Rubi Bayer, did specifically mention that the peak was fractured/floating because weird kitten happens when locations/moments in history are pulled from the real world into the Mists.

    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

    Maybe we will see the DSD minions in the water area of the fractal.

    I doubt this for three reasons:

    1. Time period; this is supposed to be when Cantha is "on the verge" of going isolationist, which means it happens years or maybe a couple decades after GW1's time. While the DSD is heavily hinted to be the second Elder Dragon to wake up, it woke up in the ocean depths; and even if we're just talking about some champion herald like the Great Destroyer, I feel like that's too great a thing to come out of nowhere pre-isolation.
    2. Fractal theme; as mentioned, the fractal theme is about "quelling the elements", and that's what all the other enemies are (elementals) except for the final boss, and among the elements mentioned is water. Dragon minions != elementals. Curiously enough, this game does not have any water elementals (or any elementals that are fought underwater either). So any 'water elemental' enemy would be brand new, and they may want to keep the brand new model a surprise for xyz reason.
    3. Location; the fractal is a mountain, in the dead center of Shing Jea Island. Odd place for dragon minions for the deep sea dragon to be - even if it is a fractal.

    Still, it feels like they're really emphasizing the story for some reason and given the timing I would have to think it has something to do with the upcoming expansion. They've teased about this being "surprising" since they first mentioned Guild Wars Beyond, insisting that it would be important 250 years later. What would be important now, assuming it's the same "surprise" they're referencing?

    And what would cause such an elemental imbalance?

    I'm not insisting that it is the DSD or its minions that we will see in the Fractal, but I'm struggling to think of what would cause such an imbalance.

    Also, the mountain is on an island. It's not like it's in the middle of the continent so it's not that farfetched.

    I don't have any suggestions as to what it could be but I did find the appearance of the black-tinted elemental/orbs interesting in the teaser. If they are water elementals it's an odd choice to go with black. Unless it's some mechanic meant to be used within the fractal and inconsequential. Or it could be water elementals that have been corrupted/twisted by the DSD.

    If we're just going solely based on what was happening during this time period I'm not sure what would be "surprising" if the only options are known. Surprising implies something we didn't know or didn't expect. (One could argue that many people are "expecting" DSD so it doesn't count as "surprising", but it would be if we only consider in-game lore.)

    You're not throwing out any other suggestions.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    During the live stream too the host, Rubi Bayer, did specifically mention that the peak was fractured/floating because weird kitten happens when locations/moments in history are pulled from the real world into the Mists.

    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

    Maybe we will see the DSD minions in the water area of the fractal.

    I doubt this for three reasons:

    1. Time period; this is supposed to be when Cantha is "on the verge" of going isolationist, which means it happens years or maybe a couple decades after GW1's time. While the DSD is heavily hinted to be the second Elder Dragon to wake up, it woke up in the ocean depths; and even if we're just talking about some champion herald like the Great Destroyer, I feel like that's too great a thing to come out of nowhere pre-isolation.
    2. Fractal theme; as mentioned, the fractal theme is about "quelling the elements", and that's what all the other enemies are (elementals) except for the final boss, and among the elements mentioned is water. Dragon minions != elementals. Curiously enough, this game does not have any water elementals (or any elementals that are fought underwater either). So any 'water elemental' enemy would be brand new, and they may want to keep the brand new model a surprise for xyz reason.
    3. Location; the fractal is a mountain, in the dead center of Shing Jea Island. Odd place for dragon minions for the deep sea dragon to be - even if it is a fractal.

    Well they did mention this regarding the DSD in the movement of the world:

    “ In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land.”

    So this could apply to Shing Jea if it’s close to the dragons awakening zone.

    The DSD awakening also fits in the between Winds of Change and GW2.

    Also seems like there is some sort of connection with the expansion too, don’t recall where this was mentioned guild chat maybe?

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    During the live stream too the host, Rubi Bayer, did specifically mention that the peak was fractured/floating because weird kitten happens when locations/moments in history are pulled from the real world into the Mists.

    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

    Maybe we will see the DSD minions in the water area of the fractal.

    I doubt this for three reasons:

    1. Time period; this is supposed to be when Cantha is "on the verge" of going isolationist, which means it happens years or maybe a couple decades after GW1's time. While the DSD is heavily hinted to be the second Elder Dragon to wake up, it woke up in the ocean depths; and even if we're just talking about some champion herald like the Great Destroyer, I feel like that's too great a thing to come out of nowhere pre-isolation.
    2. Fractal theme; as mentioned, the fractal theme is about "quelling the elements", and that's what all the other enemies are (elementals) except for the final boss, and among the elements mentioned is water. Dragon minions != elementals. Curiously enough, this game does not have any water elementals (or any elementals that are fought underwater either). So any 'water elemental' enemy would be brand new, and they may want to keep the brand new model a surprise for xyz reason.
    3. Location; the fractal is a mountain, in the dead center of Shing Jea Island. Odd place for dragon minions for the deep sea dragon to be - even if it is a fractal.

    Who can really say at this point. We only know there maybe a hint to what threat awaits us in Cantha expansion in the fractal.

    Though if it is related to the Elder Dragons or specifically the DSD, then I speculate it maybe information about the DSD and actions in a previous cycle. There have been countless cycles after all and with that countless changes to the planet over these cycles. We can't really say if a DSD been there or if a DSD minion remaind there for centuries through the countless cycles or not due to the nature of the planet's history involving the Elder Dragons.

    Story wise, the Elder Dragon's have been properly contained within the current known area of the game being basically only 20% of the entire planet while the rest of the planet (and civilizations beyond our current region we have never known about such as the potential location that could have been Utopia in GW1) are probably completely unaware of the Elder Dragons due to never having any contact with the regions we current know about.

    Speaking of which this does opening up potential future storylines for GW2 if they plan to end the Elder Dragon storyline in Cantha (and the LW after Cantha) for future expansions. With the Elder Dragon threat gone, the civilization we know about can finally begin making contact with civilizations beyond the current known regions but in doing so we also expose ourselves to a new threat for this new story arc. It will certainly be interesting what new civilizations and stories they bring into the table once the Elder Dragon Arc is over and the new ??? Arc begins.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Still, it feels like they're really emphasizing the story for some reason and given the timing I would have to think it has something to do with the upcoming expansion. They've teased about this being "surprising" since they first mentioned Guild Wars Beyond, insisting that it would be important 250 years later. What would be important now, assuming it's the same "surprise" they're referencing?

    And what would cause such an elemental imbalance?

    I'm not insisting that it is the DSD or its minions that we will see in the Fractal, but I'm struggling to think of what would cause such an imbalance.

    Did they say that it was specifically the water area that is causing the imbalance? I didn't watch the full stream, but from my understanding, they never specified what's causing the elements' imbalance, but did strongly suggest that the water area is similar to the air and fire sections.

    If we're just going solely based on what was happening during this time period I'm not sure what would be "surprising" if the only options are known. Surprising implies something we didn't know or didn't expect. (One could argue that many people are "expecting" DSD so it doesn't count as "surprising", but it would be if we only consider in-game lore.)

    You're not throwing out any other suggestions.

    Well, one thing I've come to learn about ANet and "surprises" is that whenever they promote some massive reveal, it is either a) coming out of literally nowhere or b) been speculated and suggested for months by the community to the point where it's anything but a surprise.

    As such, I feel like the result will be either "water elementals" (if B ), or something brand new with no prior hints in the lore (if A).

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Well they did mention this regarding the DSD in the movement of the world:

    “ In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land.”

    So this could apply to Shing Jea if it’s close to the dragons awakening zone.

    The DSD awakening also fits in the between Winds of Change and GW2.

    Also seems like there is some sort of connection with the expansion too, don’t recall where this was mentioned guild chat maybe?

    They did establish that this is a teaser for the expansion. But I felt that it's more a teaser because this is our first look at legit Canthan assets.

    Ironically, they said that this is the first time we see Cantha in-game, but Solid Ocean Fractal is just as much in Cantha as this fractal, technically. It's just that this fractal was build in-mind with the expansion and its new art assets.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Story wise, the Elder Dragon's have been properly contained within the current known area of the game being basically only 20% of the entire planet while the rest of the planet (and civilizations beyond our current region we have never known about such as the potential location that could have been Utopia in GW1) are probably completely unaware of the Elder Dragons due to never having any contact with the regions we current know about.

    I don't got much to comment on your post, but just one small correction: Utopia was to take place in the Mists, not in the world of Tyria.

    All these squares make a circle.
    All these squares make a circle.
    All these squares make a circle.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Still, it feels like they're really emphasizing the story for some reason and given the timing I would have to think it has something to do with the upcoming expansion. They've teased about this being "surprising" since they first mentioned Guild Wars Beyond, insisting that it would be important 250 years later. What would be important now, assuming it's the same "surprise" they're referencing?

    And what would cause such an elemental imbalance?

    I'm not insisting that it is the DSD or its minions that we will see in the Fractal, but I'm struggling to think of what would cause such an imbalance.

    Did they say that it was specifically the water area that is causing the imbalance? I didn't watch the full stream, but from my understanding, they never specified what's causing the elements' imbalance, but did strongly suggest that the water area is similar to the air and fire sections.

    If we're just going solely based on what was happening during this time period I'm not sure what would be "surprising" if the only options are known. Surprising implies something we didn't know or didn't expect. (One could argue that many people are "expecting" DSD so it doesn't count as "surprising", but it would be if we only consider in-game lore.)

    You're not throwing out any other suggestions.

    Well, one thing I've come to learn about ANet and "surprises" is that whenever they promote some massive reveal, it is either a) coming out of literally nowhere or b) been speculated and suggested for months by the community to the point where it's anything but a surprise.

    As such, I feel like the result will be either "water elementals" (if B ), or something brand new with no prior hints in the lore (if A).

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Well they did mention this regarding the DSD in the movement of the world:

    “ In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land.”

    So this could apply to Shing Jea if it’s close to the dragons awakening zone.

    The DSD awakening also fits in the between Winds of Change and GW2.

    Also seems like there is some sort of connection with the expansion too, don’t recall where this was mentioned guild chat maybe?

    They did establish that this is a teaser for the expansion. But I felt that it's more a teaser because this is our first look at legit Canthan assets.

    Ironically, they said that this is the first time we see Cantha in-game, but Solid Ocean Fractal is just as much in Cantha as this fractal, technically. It's just that this fractal was build in-mind with the expansion and its new art assets.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Story wise, the Elder Dragon's have been properly contained within the current known area of the game being basically only 20% of the entire planet while the rest of the planet (and civilizations beyond our current region we have never known about such as the potential location that could have been Utopia in GW1) are probably completely unaware of the Elder Dragons due to never having any contact with the regions we current know about.

    I don't got much to comment on your post, but just one small correction: Utopia was to take place in the Mists, not in the world of Tyria.

    Having more of a chance to mull over some of this, I wonder if we will have a first look at corrupted water elementals from the DSD as a sort of sneak peak of the new dragon minions, something along the lines of the husks and thorn wolves during episode 1 of season 2. They could be corrupted, but the local people are not sure from what.

  • @Svennis.3852 said:
    Edit: They did mention the fractal was about quelling the elementals (water, wind, fire, maybe earth) on the mountain, so I doubt we'll see any Ministry or DSD minions (though something they did could be what caused the imbalance).

    Water, earth, fire, air. The 4 elementals lived together in harmony, but everything changed when these random adventurers attacked

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Still, it feels like they're really emphasizing the story for some reason and given the timing I would have to think it has something to do with the upcoming expansion. They've teased about this being "surprising" since they first mentioned Guild Wars Beyond, insisting that it would be important 250 years later. What would be important now, assuming it's the same "surprise" they're referencing?

    And what would cause such an elemental imbalance?

    I'm not insisting that it is the DSD or its minions that we will see in the Fractal, but I'm struggling to think of what would cause such an imbalance.

    Did they say that it was specifically the water area that is causing the imbalance? I didn't watch the full stream, but from my understanding, they never specified what's causing the elements' imbalance, but did strongly suggest that the water area is similar to the air and fire sections.

    If we're just going solely based on what was happening during this time period I'm not sure what would be "surprising" if the only options are known. Surprising implies something we didn't know or didn't expect. (One could argue that many people are "expecting" DSD so it doesn't count as "surprising", but it would be if we only consider in-game lore.)

    You're not throwing out any other suggestions.

    Well, one thing I've come to learn about ANet and "surprises" is that whenever they promote some massive reveal, it is either a) coming out of literally nowhere or b) been speculated and suggested for months by the community to the point where it's anything but a surprise.

    As such, I feel like the result will be either "water elementals" (if B ), or something brand new with no prior hints in the lore (if A).

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Well they did mention this regarding the DSD in the movement of the world:

    “ In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land.”

    So this could apply to Shing Jea if it’s close to the dragons awakening zone.

    The DSD awakening also fits in the between Winds of Change and GW2.

    Also seems like there is some sort of connection with the expansion too, don’t recall where this was mentioned guild chat maybe?

    They did establish that this is a teaser for the expansion. But I felt that it's more a teaser because this is our first look at legit Canthan assets.

    Ironically, they said that this is the first time we see Cantha in-game, but Solid Ocean Fractal is just as much in Cantha as this fractal, technically. It's just that this fractal was build in-mind with the expansion and its new art assets.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Story wise, the Elder Dragon's have been properly contained within the current known area of the game being basically only 20% of the entire planet while the rest of the planet (and civilizations beyond our current region we have never known about such as the potential location that could have been Utopia in GW1) are probably completely unaware of the Elder Dragons due to never having any contact with the regions we current know about.

    I don't got much to comment on your post, but just one small correction: Utopia was to take place in the Mists, not in the world of Tyria.

    Having more of a chance to mull over some of this, I wonder if we will have a first look at corrupted water elementals from the DSD as a sort of sneak peak of the new dragon minions, something along the lines of the husks and thorn wolves during episode 1 of season 2. They could be corrupted, but the local people are not sure from what.

    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Story wise, the Elder Dragon's have been properly contained within the current known area of the game being basically only 20% of the entire planet while the rest of the planet (and civilizations beyond our current region we have never known about such as the potential location that could have been Utopia in GW1) are probably completely unaware of the Elder Dragons due to never having any contact with the regions we current know about.

    I don't got much to comment on your post, but just one small correction: Utopia was to take place in the Mists, not in the world of Tyria.

    A short summary of what I am talking about is that...

    If the develoeprs do provide information about DSD in this fractal it may be more about DSD actions from a previous Elder Dragon Cycle and maybe a much older one at that.

    Our current information and current events involving Elder Dragons have also been quite restricted to the current regions we know about and can play in as well which is only 20% of the entire planet. However, this can mostly be related to how the current Elder Dragon Cycle is still in the early stages when each Elder Dragon are trying to build their army first then expand into the other part of the world we have never explored before. Also, that constant conflict with Elder Dragons has isolated the current region we play in from the rest of the world thus preventing any expedition by the races into other regions of the world.

    How the information about DSD maybe important, if they do provide information about DSD's past actions, we will just have to wait and see since we can't predict the Elder Dragon's actions in cycles beyond the last one and we have rarely expanded information about Elder Dragons into regions we could not explore yet.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bast.7253 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Still, it feels like they're really emphasizing the story for some reason and given the timing I would have to think it has something to do with the upcoming expansion. They've teased about this being "surprising" since they first mentioned Guild Wars Beyond, insisting that it would be important 250 years later. What would be important now, assuming it's the same "surprise" they're referencing?

    And what would cause such an elemental imbalance?

    I'm not insisting that it is the DSD or its minions that we will see in the Fractal, but I'm struggling to think of what would cause such an imbalance.

    Did they say that it was specifically the water area that is causing the imbalance? I didn't watch the full stream, but from my understanding, they never specified what's causing the elements' imbalance, but did strongly suggest that the water area is similar to the air and fire sections.

    If we're just going solely based on what was happening during this time period I'm not sure what would be "surprising" if the only options are known. Surprising implies something we didn't know or didn't expect. (One could argue that many people are "expecting" DSD so it doesn't count as "surprising", but it would be if we only consider in-game lore.)

    You're not throwing out any other suggestions.

    Well, one thing I've come to learn about ANet and "surprises" is that whenever they promote some massive reveal, it is either a) coming out of literally nowhere or b) been speculated and suggested for months by the community to the point where it's anything but a surprise.

    As such, I feel like the result will be either "water elementals" (if B ), or something brand new with no prior hints in the lore (if A).

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Well they did mention this regarding the DSD in the movement of the world:

    “ In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land.”

    So this could apply to Shing Jea if it’s close to the dragons awakening zone.

    The DSD awakening also fits in the between Winds of Change and GW2.

    Also seems like there is some sort of connection with the expansion too, don’t recall where this was mentioned guild chat maybe?

    They did establish that this is a teaser for the expansion. But I felt that it's more a teaser because this is our first look at legit Canthan assets.

    Ironically, they said that this is the first time we see Cantha in-game, but Solid Ocean Fractal is just as much in Cantha as this fractal, technically. It's just that this fractal was build in-mind with the expansion and its new art assets.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Story wise, the Elder Dragon's have been properly contained within the current known area of the game being basically only 20% of the entire planet while the rest of the planet (and civilizations beyond our current region we have never known about such as the potential location that could have been Utopia in GW1) are probably completely unaware of the Elder Dragons due to never having any contact with the regions we current know about.

    I don't got much to comment on your post, but just one small correction: Utopia was to take place in the Mists, not in the world of Tyria.

    Having more of a chance to mull over some of this, I wonder if we will have a first look at corrupted water elementals from the DSD as a sort of sneak peak of the new dragon minions, something along the lines of the husks and thorn wolves during episode 1 of season 2. They could be corrupted, but the local people are not sure from what.

    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

    Disembodied voices that confuse and manipulate seems very Jormag. Do you think the devs would use the same schtick back to back?

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

    Disembodied voices that confuse and manipulate seems very Jormag. Do you think the devs would use the same schtick back to back?

    Psychological warfare was a constant strategy for these elder dragons that can communicate despite how they used it differs.

    With such little knowledge of DSD, we can't say much about what the DSD can and cannot do just because a Elder Dragon we face now or defeated previously already done this before. The Elder Dragons that lived may learn and adopt strategies from the other Elder Dragons from previous Cycle conflicts with each other and even current events to remember what worked and what did not before they were defeated to prevent the same mistake the others have made.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

    Disembodied voices that confuse and manipulate seems very Jormag. Do you think the devs would use the same schtick back to back?

    Psychological warfare was a constant strategy for these elder dragons that can communicate despite how they used it differs.

    With such little knowledge of DSD, we can't say much about what the DSD can and cannot do just because a Elder Dragon we face now or defeated previously already done this before. The Elder Dragons that lived may learn and adopt strategies from the other Elder Dragons from previous Cycle conflicts and even current events.

    I am thinking more from a writing perspective, doing the same gimmick back to back seems tacky to me. If Jormag is a master manipulator, I'd rather the DSD have a different gimmick.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

    Disembodied voices that confuse and manipulate seems very Jormag. Do you think the devs would use the same schtick back to back?

    Psychological warfare was a constant strategy for these elder dragons that can communicate despite how they used it differs.

    With such little knowledge of DSD, we can't say much about what the DSD can and cannot do just because a Elder Dragon we face now or defeated previously already done this before. The Elder Dragons that lived may learn and adopt strategies from the other Elder Dragons from previous Cycle conflicts and even current events.

    I am thinking more from a writing perspective, doing the same gimmick back to back seems tacky to me. If Jormag is a master manipulator, I'd rather the DSD have a different gimmick.

    Well some are speculating that DSD maybe the Dragon of Nightmares due to the darkness of the deep ocean sometimes represents the horrors that may be alive in the deep darkness of the ocean which will still involve manipulation through the fear of the unknown. Fear for the unknown is a monster in itself ripe for manipulation.

    In a way Fear of the Unknown and offer of protection are never too far from each other.

    Jormag has always been about giving people what they want and offering that Ice will protect them from harm. It is a manipulation by offering comfort towards the people she seeks to corrupt. Though in Ryland's case he was already ripe for corruption since deep down he already seeks comfort in something when he feels everything and everyone keeps betraying him.

    If DSD is about Nightmares then the manipulation is about festering the fear of others. Fear is a monster that can drive people to do horrible things and sometimes people go to extreme lengths to remove that fear.

    In a way fear for the unknown is a rather fitting theme for Cantha if DSD is involved. Being only recently open from isolationism with their exposure to the lands beyond being mostly from the Zephyrites, there is bound to be fear among the natives to Cantha. Some may even seek to respark isolationism politices due to that fear while others may go to extreme methods because of fear for the unknown.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

    Disembodied voices that confuse and manipulate seems very Jormag. Do you think the devs would use the same schtick back to back?

    Psychological warfare was a constant strategy for these elder dragons that can communicate despite how they used it differs.

    With such little knowledge of DSD, we can't say much about what the DSD can and cannot do just because a Elder Dragon we face now or defeated previously already done this before. The Elder Dragons that lived may learn and adopt strategies from the other Elder Dragons from previous Cycle conflicts and even current events.

    I am thinking more from a writing perspective, doing the same gimmick back to back seems tacky to me. If Jormag is a master manipulator, I'd rather the DSD have a different gimmick.

    Disembodied voices were also used by Mordremoth too...

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    There’s also Dessa’s dialogue in the background. “Disembodied voices” and “I’m not gonna let you drown.”

    Yeah, it could be some foreshadowing of DSD minions. Could be putting the other elements out of balance.

    Disembodied voices that confuse and manipulate seems very Jormag. Do you think the devs would use the same schtick back to back?

    Psychological warfare was a constant strategy for these elder dragons that can communicate despite how they used it differs.

    With such little knowledge of DSD, we can't say much about what the DSD can and cannot do just because a Elder Dragon we face now or defeated previously already done this before. The Elder Dragons that lived may learn and adopt strategies from the other Elder Dragons from previous Cycle conflicts and even current events.

    I am thinking more from a writing perspective, doing the same gimmick back to back seems tacky to me. If Jormag is a master manipulator, I'd rather the DSD have a different gimmick.

    Disembodied voices were also used by Mordremoth too...

    Sure, but that was several years ago at this point. And honestly, I feel like Jormag's whispers have been more prominent in game than hearing instances of Mord's mental domination.

  • The disembodied voices I think are the elemental spirits that are mentioned in the trailer and articles - namely the deer mount NPC, which I think is likely going to be GW2's Kirin replacement, and the voice(s) likely belong to that.

    Also, I don't think the drowning is literal - Dessa first says "that feeling will drown you if you let it", implying that the "we won't let you drown" is her talking to the acolyte person (final boss I assume) who's emotions are being drowned out by the disturbed elements.

    Trailer transcript:

    Voice 1: This mountain's natural elements are deeply disturbed. Please, you must hurry.
    "Acolyte": I'll give you anything.
    Dessa: Uh, my research doesn't say anything about disembodied voices.
    "Acolyte": Why are you even here? Go away!
    Dessa: That feeling will drown you if you let it!
    "Acolyte": I said leave!
    Dessa: We won't let you drown!
    "Acolyte": I warned you!

    I don't think you can drown when on top of a mountain plateau... Nor do any of the trailer indicates the water is rising above the mountain.

    Also curious why Dessa cares about a Fractal individual - "we won't let you drown" doesn't seem to be directed to the players, unless they took the lines really out of context for the trailer, and instead seems like the "we" she's using refers to Dessa and the party.

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  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    The disembodied voices I think are the elemental spirits that are mentioned in the trailer and articles - namely the deer mount NPC, which I think is likely going to be GW2's Kirin replacement, and the voice(s) likely belong to that.

    Also, I don't think the drowning is literal - Dessa first says "that feeling will drown you if you let it", implying that the "we won't let you drown" is her talking to the acolyte person (final boss I assume) who's emotions are being drowned out by the disturbed elements.

    Trailer transcript:

    Voice 1: This mountain's natural elements are deeply disturbed. Please, you must hurry.
    "Acolyte": I'll give you anything.
    Dessa: Uh, my research doesn't say anything about disembodied voices.
    "Acolyte": Why are you even here? Go away!
    Dessa: That feeling will drown you if you let it!
    "Acolyte": I said leave!
    Dessa: We won't let you drown!
    "Acolyte": I warned you!

    I don't think you can drown when on top of a mountain plateau... Nor do any of the trailer indicates the water is rising above the mountain.

    Also curious why Dessa cares about a Fractal individual - "we won't let you drown" doesn't seem to be directed to the players, unless they took the lines really out of context for the trailer, and instead seems like the "we" she's using refers to Dessa and the party.

    But out of all the verbs, they chose drown? Just seems like an odd choice to me. From the trailer it does seem to be implying the boss but the way these trailers are spliced together it may be a different encounter.

    I hope that isn't the replacement for Kirin. It may be a placeholder so the model doesn't get spoiled later on. If it's referencing the spirits are they really disembodied? It doesn't seem like this would be Dessa's first run-in with spirits but I suppose that could be it.

    I suppose it could be nothing and just a repurposed fractal set to a Canthan theme to create hype, but I'm hoping it has some hints to the upcoming expansion and lore. It feels like there will be something significant as they're locking the challenge mode behind the story collection achievement and they really seem to be hammering on the story bit a lot. But as to why or how I'm not sure. I guess we'll finally know more tomorrow.

    I wonder why the Acolyte says "I'll give you anything" and who it's talking to though? I'm assuming it's telling US to "go away" so it doesn't seem like it would be saying "I'll give you anything" to us. Unless they're insane and flipping between two scripts.

  • @Bast.7253 said:
    But out of all the verbs, they chose drown? Just seems like an odd choice to me. From the trailer it does seem to be implying the boss but the way these trailers are spliced together it may be a different encounter.

    It's a pretty common term to use in analogies to being consumed by an emotion. e.g., drowned by their rage.

    Could be a different encounter, and no doubt a lot of the conversation is missing, but to me it sounds like Dessa and the second unknown voice (whom I'm pretty sure is the final boss / woman in the trailer) are conversing.

    I hope that isn't the replacement for Kirin. It may be a placeholder so the model doesn't get spoiled later on. If it's referencing the spirits are they really disembodied? It doesn't seem like this would be Dessa's first run-in with spirits but I suppose that could be it.

    Spirits by nature are disembodied. Disembodied = no body; spirits do not have a body by nature of being a spirit.

    It feels like there will be something significant as they're locking the challenge mode behind the story collection achievement and they really seem to be hammering on the story bit a lot. But as to why or how I'm not sure. I guess we'll finally know more tomorrow.

    Nightmare Fractal and Shattered Observatory Fractal both have their CM locked behind achievements. This is in no way new. It's just following the trend of every CM being locked behind a new fractal-specific group of achievements.

    I wonder why the Acolyte says "I'll give you anything" and who it's talking to though? I'm assuming it's telling US to "go away" so it doesn't seem like it would be saying "I'll give you anything" to us. Unless they're insane and flipping between two scripts.

    Insanity does seem to be part of the narrative here. Sounds to me that the elements being in disarray has led to the temple's caretaker/acolyte/whatever-position-she-has to be going insane. Likely similar to how those exposed to overflowing ley lines go mad.

    The voiced lines also make it sound like the character is in pain. So the "I'll give you anything" could be leading into a "to make this pain go away" second half. Could be directed to the raging elements like that fire cat and the Voice of the Mountain air elemental.

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  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    Do you think the elk/deer instead might be a Spirit of the Wild local to Cantha? Is there a reason all Spirits of the Wild would be confined to the Shiverpeaks?

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    Perhaps I overlooked something, but I saw nothing worthy of being "spoiled" as I played through it

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe the CM?

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Maybe the CM?

    The CM will be just the endboss if I remember correctly for this fractal. I'm not sure they'd add new mobs for that

    I'm a T1/T2 player (and our group barely got through t1 3rd attempt) so I wont be seeing CM to find out

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Maybe the CM?

    The CM will be just the endboss if I remember correctly for this fractal. I'm not sure they'd add new mobs for that

    I'm a T1/T2 player (and our group barely got through t1 3rd attempt) so I wont be seeing CM to find out

    They did add some new mobs and the boss does use a surprisingly large amount of a certain element. I found all the letters as well which gave interesting little details, I wish it got compiled in a book to read for later.

  • @Svennis.3852 said:
    Do you think the elk/deer instead might be a Spirit of the Wild local to Cantha? Is there a reason all Spirits of the Wild would be confined to the Shiverpeaks?

    They don't seem to be, Gorilla is explicitly mentioned to be a "far flung" Spirit of the Wild - meaning it's not part of the Shiverpeaks pantheon. I've long speculated the Zhu Hanuku from Factions is, in fact, a kraken Spirit of the Wild.

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Perhaps I overlooked something, but I saw nothing worthy of being "spoiled" as I played through it

    Like I said:

    Well, one thing I've come to learn about ANet and "surprises" is that whenever they promote some massive reveal, it is either a) coming out of literally nowhere or b) been speculated and suggested for months by the community to the point where it's anything but a surprise.

    I guess they wanted it to be a surprise that they're now using mounts as standard NPCs or something.

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    They did add some new mobs and the boss does use a surprisingly large amount of a certain element. I found all the letters as well which gave interesting little details, I wish it got compiled in a book to read for later.

    Care to share for those who can't get in-game yet?

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    Do you think the elk/deer instead might be a Spirit of the Wild local to Cantha? Is there a reason all Spirits of the Wild would be confined to the Shiverpeaks?

    They don't seem to be, Gorilla is explicitly mentioned to be a "far flung" Spirit of the Wild - meaning it's not part of the Shiverpeaks pantheon. I've long speculated the Zhu Hanuku from Factions is, in fact, a kraken Spirit of the Wild.

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Perhaps I overlooked something, but I saw nothing worthy of being "spoiled" as I played through it

    Like I said:

    Well, one thing I've come to learn about ANet and "surprises" is that whenever they promote some massive reveal, it is either a) coming out of literally nowhere or b) been speculated and suggested for months by the community to the point where it's anything but a surprise.

    I guess they wanted it to be a surprise that they're now using mounts as standard NPCs or something.

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    They did add some new mobs and the boss does use a surprisingly large amount of a certain element. I found all the letters as well which gave interesting little details, I wish it got compiled in a book to read for later.

    Care to share for those who can't get in-game yet?

    Enraged Water Sprites. Might be a reskin of another Mob.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Maybe the CM?

    The CM will be just the endboss if I remember correctly for this fractal. I'm not sure they'd add new mobs for that

    I'm a T1/T2 player (and our group barely got through t1 3rd attempt) so I wont be seeing CM to find out

    Watched teapots twitch stream the Cm does have the actual ending to this fractal

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I guess the "surprise" is that this is "the girl from the picture." I don't know what picture Dessa is talking about but I'm assuming the painting of the canthan people in the Seraph's office in Divinity's Reach that we see throughout other areas of the game?

    Or is the surprise that the ministry of purity is killing people who are suspected of having the affliction? Or was that a known fact already?

    I don't know. I guess I should have realized that it was going to be inconsequential and hype. The fact that the letter collection is called "Another Side, Another Story" seems to be mocking the fact that it's just another side story.

    It looks like the elementals show up near the end and there may be some more dialogue with the last boss but I'll just wait for someone to post it.

  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Or is the surprise that the ministry of purity is killing people who are suspected of having the affliction? Or was that a known fact already?

    The Ministry of Purity was leading the charge to remove the last remnants of the plague during the "Winds of Change" storyline in Guild wars 1.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Or is the surprise that the ministry of purity is killing people who are suspected of having the affliction? Or was that a known fact already?

    The Ministry of Purity was leading the charge to remove the last remnants of the plague during the "Winds of Change" storyline in Guild wars 1.

    Perhaps the ministry was removing problematic people by accusing them of being afflicted after the WoC campaign.

  • foozlesprite.8051foozlesprite.8051 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    The fractal story itself seemed rather disjointed/incoherent. And I say that as someone that's been replaying Cantha in GW1 recently/knows existing lore, read all the achievement books and shrine text in the fractal, and has had some time to sit and talk about it with friends.

    I understand what happened in the achievement books, but it's hard to get a clear picture of what happened in the fractal itself (and would have been even moreso for someone that didn't read the achievement books). There's absolutely no reason that you should only learn who the boss is on the tier 100 CM, since it's crucial to trying to figure out what's actually been going on the whole time. And even after learning who she is, it still leaves me wondering about other NPCs and some of the text on the shrines.

    The fractal was gorgeous and the fights were fun, but whatever they were trying to do story-wise it really wasn't as clear as it needed to be. There's something to be said for doing some sleuthing to arrive at an answer, but this was perhaps a bit too esoteric. Hopefully the actual Cantha story feels a bit less slapdash.

    FWIW, I think the elk/deer is Bo and Ai's daughter, Lan. That's why she speaks childishly and gets words mixed up, and asks you not to hurt Ai, and says maybe it's better if Ai doesn't know it's her.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    For those of us who won’t see the CM, can you post under a spoiler tag the identity of this boss?

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  • foozlesprite.8051foozlesprite.8051 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    For those of us who won’t see the CM, can you post under a spoiler tag the identity of this boss?

    The boss is Ai, from the letters scattered around for the achievement. In CM she's named "Ai, Keeper of the Peak." I'm assuming something happened to Bo, Lan, and Hyo-Sonn (the shrines you kneel at for a different achievement are seemingly theirs? Bo and Lan at least, the third is kind of hard to tell for sure), and that's probably what drove her to her sorrow, but I'm not sure what exactly happened to them. Perhaps the military hunted them down for deserting.

    It's important to note that I haven't seen a full playthrough of CM so it may reveal more of the answers, I just got that info from the wiki. If you need to play the CM to make sense of the story though, I'm calling that a serious design flaw.

  • @foozlesprite.8051 said:
    The fractal story itself seemed rather disjointed/incoherent. And I say that as someone that's been replaying Cantha in GW1 recently/knows existing lore, read all the achievement books and shrine text in the fractal, and has had some time to sit and talk about it with friends.

    Don't expect precise consistency with GW1, is all I'd say.
    Or anything prior to Season 3.

    That said, fractals by nature are disjointed and incoherent because they're "imperfect copies" of one or more space-time pockets.

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  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @foozlesprite.8051 said:
    The fractal story itself seemed rather disjointed/incoherent. And I say that as someone that's been replaying Cantha in GW1 recently/knows existing lore, read all the achievement books and shrine text in the fractal, and has had some time to sit and talk about it with friends.

    I understand what happened in the achievement books, but it's hard to get a clear picture of what happened in the fractal itself (and would have been even moreso for someone that didn't read the achievement books). There's absolutely no reason that you should only learn who the boss is on the tier 100 CM, since it's crucial to trying to figure out what's actually been going on the whole time. And even after learning who she is, it still leaves me wondering about other NPCs and some of the text on the shrines.

    The fractal was gorgeous and the fights were fun, but whatever they were trying to do story-wise it really wasn't as clear as it needed to be. There's something to be said for doing some sleuthing to arrive at an answer, but this was perhaps a bit too esoteric. Hopefully the actual Cantha story feels a bit less slapdash.

    FWIW, I think the elk/deer is Bo and Ai's daughter, Lan. That's why she speaks childishly and gets words mixed up, and asks you not to hurt Ai, and says maybe it's better if Ai doesn't know it's her.

    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    But yes, the story felt like it was pretty jumbled. But I guess that's what you get when you decide to try to make a story fit into a fractal you've repurposed from years back and only have a few gemstore skins and rarely used npc models to plug in.

    It was a fun fractal for sure and the scenery was nice, but I guess I set my expectations unrealistically high since it seemed there may not be another living world episode or vision progressing the story this year and this seemed like it was kind of taking the slot of one.

    I mean, doing the challenge mode and all the collection achievements did it even explain why the elements are out of balance? Was it because of this woman?

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

    Perhaps the hint about Cantha the developers speaks about is not about the Fractal but the story of this family.

    You said the story is about this family and the war against the plague.

    Maybe the hint is about what this family went through.

    Perhaps the hint is related to the Plague.

    We maybe looking too much into the fractal as the hint itself but did not consider this little side story about this family and the Plague is the real hint or a important part of that hint about Cantha.

    The more I look into this the more I feel the warning Ai maybe trying to keep people away from her because of something. Something that maybe involving herself becoming a danger to other people beyond losing control of her own powers.

    We are after all acting in the place of someone who went up to Sunqua Peak to obtain something from this person and Ai keep saying it is not safe for people to be here. However, it is more implied, in my opinion, not safe to be near her due to her very presence maybe corrupting things around her to a spiritual level.

    The mountain was never corrupted until this Ai arrived and isolated herself in Sunqua Peak which means she is the source of the unrest but why maybe inside this little lore about this family and the Plague.

    Dessa says whatever is corrupted Ai it is not Dark Magic but something Sinister.

    We see something new that appear in challenge mode fight being the embodiment of Ai's sorrow, fear, and doubt.

    Something is feeding on her darkest fears, sorrow, and doubts to a point it consumes her and causes her to lose herself to its control.

    It maybe gone by the conclusion of Sunqua Peak story when defeating Challenge mode but all Ai did was banish it from herself. That thing that tried to take control over her still out there.

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

    Perhaps the hint about Cantha the developers speaks about is not about the Fractal but the story of this family.

    You said the story is about this family and the war against the plague.

    Maybe the hint is about what this family went through.

    Perhaps the hint is related to the Plague.

    We maybe looking too much into the fractal as the hint itself but did not consider this little side story about this family and the Plague is the real hint about Cantha.

    The more I look into this the more I feel the warning Ai maybe trying to keep people away from her because of something. Something that maybe involving herself becoming a danger to other people beyond losing control of her own powers.

    We are after all acting in the place of someone who went up to Sunqua Peak to obtain something from this person and Ai keep saying it is not safe for people to be here. However, it is more implied, in my opinion, not safe to be near her due to her very presence maybe corrupting things around her to a spiritual level.

    The mountain was never corrupted until this Ai arrived and isolated herself in Sunqua Peak which means she is the source of the unrest but why maybe inside this little lore about this family and the Plague.

    Dessa says whatever is corrupted Ai it is not Dark Magic but something Sinister.

    We see something new that appear in challenge mode fight being the embodiment of Ai's sorrow, fear, and doubt.

    So you're saying that the elements are in disorder because Ai has corrupted them with whatever has a hold on her?

    If that's true that could be pretty revealing, especially given the challenge mode and those spirits that we face. We face similarly named spirits in Malchor's Leap so it could be an interesting link to the DSD assuming that those spirits are in relation to the DSD.

    But I like the idea of the DSD having domains of water and spirit and look for loose connections wherever I can find them.

    I wouldn't think it would be the plague/affliction moving forward but I guess I could see it being relevant in the fractal. Could also be paving the way for them explaining that the plague and the events that Shiro unleashed may be expanded upon to fit the elder dragon narrative if that's where they're going.

    Maybe people will find more hints as time goes on. I don't know how much more there is to read into though.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Bast.7253 said:

    So you're saying that the elements are in disorder because Ai has corrupted them with whatever has a hold on her?

    If that's true that could be pretty revealing, especially given the challenge mode and those spirits that we face. We face similarly named spirits in Malchor's Leap so it could be an interesting link to the DSD assuming that those spirits are in relation to the DSD.

    But I like the idea of the DSD having domains of water and spirit and look for loose connections wherever I can find them.

    I wouldn't think it would be the plague/affliction moving forward but I guess I could see it being relevant in the fractal. Could also be paving the way for them explaining that the plague and the events that Shiro unleashed may be expanded upon to fit the elder dragon narrative if that's where they're going.

    Maybe people will find more hints as time goes on. I don't know how much more there is to read into though.

    It certainly appears that way after beating Challenge mode as it ends with Ai banishing a strange shadow that is being separated from her.

    Whatever this shadow is tried to take over Ai using her doubts, sorrow, and fear.

    Where this shadow has gone we can only guess but it is certainly not the end of it for certain.

    If this shadow maybe linked to the DSD then it may support even more about the DSD control over Nightmares and using the emotions of nightmares (doubt, sorrow, and fear) to control beings.

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:

    So you're saying that the elements are in disorder because Ai has corrupted them with whatever has a hold on her?

    If that's true that could be pretty revealing, especially given the challenge mode and those spirits that we face. We face similarly named spirits in Malchor's Leap so it could be an interesting link to the DSD assuming that those spirits are in relation to the DSD.

    But I like the idea of the DSD having domains of water and spirit and look for loose connections wherever I can find them.

    I wouldn't think it would be the plague/affliction moving forward but I guess I could see it being relevant in the fractal. Could also be paving the way for them explaining that the plague and the events that Shiro unleashed may be expanded upon to fit the elder dragon narrative if that's where they're going.

    Maybe people will find more hints as time goes on. I don't know how much more there is to read into though.

    It certainly appears that way after beating Challenge mode as it ends with Ai banishing a strange shadow that is being separated from her.

    Whatever this shadow is tried to take over Ai using her doubts, sorrow, and fear.

    Where this shadow has gone we can only guess but it is certainly not the end of it for certain.

    If this shadow maybe linked to the DSD then it may support even more about the DSD control over Nightmares and using the emotions of nightmares (doubt, sorrow, and fear) to control beings.

    I don't think it would specifically be "nightmares" though. I mean there definitely doesn't seem like a solid pattern between the domains of the dragons, i.e. mind/persuasion/fury/shadow/conflagration. Nightmare seems oddly specific yet too broad at the same time.

    I wish there was somekind of understandable theme between them instead of feeling like the devs just chose things at random.

    Water? and ------ - Crystal and Fury
    Plant and Mind - - - - ---- Death and Shadow
    Fire and Conflagration ------ Ice and Persuasion.

    Whatever the other domain is I would think that it has to be something that counters Kralk's domains of Crystal and Fury.
    Though looking at the other match-ups, Plant/Life vs Death, Fire vs Ice. Water vs Crystal?

    I suppose "Fear" COULD work, but it feels kind of lame. I guess no more lame than than conflagration, persuasion, or fury though.

  • @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

    Perhaps the hint about Cantha the developers speaks about is not about the Fractal but the story of this family.

    You said the story is about this family and the war against the plague.

    Maybe the hint is about what this family went through.

    Perhaps the hint is related to the Plague.

    We maybe looking too much into the fractal as the hint itself but did not consider this little side story about this family and the Plague is the real hint or a important part of that hint about Cantha.

    There actually is no plague, the war is against the Kurzicks, though there is a single line about the Ministry talking about killing anyone who "shows signs" of affliction. No indication that there actually is such though.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    If this shadow maybe linked to the DSD then it may support even more about the DSD control over Nightmares and using the emotions of nightmares (doubt, sorrow, and fear) to control beings.

    Weird why people are so obsessed with the DSD...

    Demons have a bigger history with nightmares and emotions of fear, and Cantha. And we did have a recent fractal dealing with a demon of darkness that possessed people... The Voice.

    Speaking of which, Arkk's story was a multi-fractal storyline, and the person who wrote that plot is the same person who is leading the current fractal team.

    All these squares make a circle.
    All these squares make a circle.
    All these squares make a circle.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    Obviously Lyssa did it. I saw a purple flower next to a rock! /s

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bast.7253 said:

    ...
    I wish there was somekind of understandable theme between them instead of feeling like the devs just chose things at random.

    Water? and ------ - Crystal and Fury
    Plant and Mind - - - - ---- Death and Shadow
    Fire and Conflagration ------ Ice and Persuasion.

    Whatever the other domain is I would think that it has to be something that counters Kralk's domains of Crystal and Fury.
    Though looking at the other match-ups, Plant/Life vs Death, Fire vs Ice. Water vs Crystal?

    I suppose "Fear" COULD work, but it feels kind of lame. I guess no more lame than than conflagration, persuasion, or fury though.

    Now that I see it put in columns, how about "resignation" or something along those lines (you know, including stuff like giving-up, exhaustion and that kind of thing. Sorry for my poor expression skill)? It's just a (probably silly) idea I got looking at your post...

    Do not fear difficulty. Hard ground makes sore feet.
    All things...grow. And the blossom bothers the weed.
    Act with wisdom and axe.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

    Perhaps the hint about Cantha the developers speaks about is not about the Fractal but the story of this family.

    You said the story is about this family and the war against the plague.

    Maybe the hint is about what this family went through.

    Perhaps the hint is related to the Plague.

    We maybe looking too much into the fractal as the hint itself but did not consider this little side story about this family and the Plague is the real hint or a important part of that hint about Cantha.

    There actually is no plague, the war is against the Kurzicks, though there is a single line about the Ministry talking about killing anyone who "shows signs" of affliction. No indication that there actually is such though.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    If this shadow maybe linked to the DSD then it may support even more about the DSD control over Nightmares and using the emotions of nightmares (doubt, sorrow, and fear) to control beings.

    Weird why people are so obsessed with the DSD...

    Demons have a bigger history with nightmares and emotions of fear, and Cantha. And we did have a recent fractal dealing with a demon of darkness that possessed people... The Voice.

    Speaking of which, Arkk's story was a multi-fractal storyline, and the person who wrote that plot is the same person who is leading the current fractal team.

    Yeah looks like although the afflicted were eradicated, they were still using it as an excuse for genocide.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

    Perhaps the hint about Cantha the developers speaks about is not about the Fractal but the story of this family.

    You said the story is about this family and the war against the plague.

    Maybe the hint is about what this family went through.

    Perhaps the hint is related to the Plague.

    We maybe looking too much into the fractal as the hint itself but did not consider this little side story about this family and the Plague is the real hint or a important part of that hint about Cantha.

    There actually is no plague, the war is against the Kurzicks, though there is a single line about the Ministry talking about killing anyone who "shows signs" of affliction. No indication that there actually is such though.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    If this shadow maybe linked to the DSD then it may support even more about the DSD control over Nightmares and using the emotions of nightmares (doubt, sorrow, and fear) to control beings.

    Weird why people are so obsessed with the DSD...

    Demons have a bigger history with nightmares and emotions of fear, and Cantha. And we did have a recent fractal dealing with a demon of darkness that possessed people... The Voice.

    Speaking of which, Arkk's story was a multi-fractal storyline, and the person who wrote that plot is the same person who is leading the current fractal team.

    Yeah looks like although the afflicted were eradicated, they were still using it as an excuse for genocide.

    Either way we are getting a deeper clue into the possible status of Cantha once we get there.

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    As I just wrote on the other thread: I got every bit of Li Bo's story, but not a single bit about the fractal's. What made the element(al)s so angry? And who was the final boss, as I don't recall her name from GW1?

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Well I feel like I remember reading those names on the graves, but it still doesn't really mean anything. Are they just a random family?

    Yes. The sad fate of Bo, Ai, and their daughter Lan (a tale of love, family, and war against the plague). It's their graves.

    Perhaps the hint about Cantha the developers speaks about is not about the Fractal but the story of this family.

    You said the story is about this family and the war against the plague.

    Maybe the hint is about what this family went through.

    Perhaps the hint is related to the Plague.

    We maybe looking too much into the fractal as the hint itself but did not consider this little side story about this family and the Plague is the real hint or a important part of that hint about Cantha.

    There actually is no plague, the war is against the Kurzicks, though there is a single line about the Ministry talking about killing anyone who "shows signs" of affliction. No indication that there actually is such though.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    If this shadow maybe linked to the DSD then it may support even more about the DSD control over Nightmares and using the emotions of nightmares (doubt, sorrow, and fear) to control beings.

    Weird why people are so obsessed with the DSD...

    Demons have a bigger history with nightmares and emotions of fear, and Cantha. And we did have a recent fractal dealing with a demon of darkness that possessed people... The Voice.

    Speaking of which, Arkk's story was a multi-fractal storyline, and the person who wrote that plot is the same person who is leading the current fractal team.

    Difficult to determine which is real and which is fiction at this point. Sometimes facts can be mistaken for fiction and fiction mistaken for facts. The mystery of this plot is to only guess until we see for our own eyes once we get to Cantha.

    They can continue supporting the idea that they used the Plague to justify genecide and the plague is truely gone but at the sametime they can also pull a 180 and reveal they were telling the truth later. However, that is part of the fun when it comes to determining what is provided here in this fractal, to speculate the possibilities until the truth is revealed.