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Stop lowering the skill floor and ceiling. Raise them.

For thief that has absolutely no survavibility besides stealth, you just want to farm them or what? That is false. Do evade frames, blinds, ports and interrupts not count? Or is it the timing part you have an issue with? I think those are far more crucial and thematically satisfying to thief's gameplay than stealth is.aside from shadowsteps, none are nearly as important as stealth

Whatever thief what's your profession? Go ahead and throw your ammy and rune in

Sure here is a video I made recently. exactly 10 minutes into the video I ambushed by an high rank d/p thief. Although I did defeat the thief in both fights, I think its pretty clear that the thief lost almost by choice. What I mean is, the thief is able to reset over and over trying to get a burst. At the same time, on Mirage my clones run around and almost never actually make contact. The actual kill on the thief is very short using confusion, which is NOT easy. Most of the time these fights go to the thief. Exactly 10 minutes into the video my fight with a d/p DD starts. The clip right after is the DDs 2nd attempt which also fails. Are you sure this is the video you wanted to show? It seems to me like it shows that even against Thieves best matchup by a wide margin, condi mesmer (Plasma is OP), the thief had absolutely no hope of ever killing you. The best he could do is run away and survive, and if he stayed to fight, he would always have died, as he did in the end. And thats even against a player clicking their skills, which is highly inefficient to the point of giving the thief a massive advantage he usually wont have in a fight. Now of course, this is in WvW, not sPvP, so thieves advantage of being the fastest decapper and +1er is non-existent, and yeah, thief isnt any good in WvW, hence why despite the inherent popularity of rogue classes, nowadays you dont see a lot of thieves in WvW. I wish I could play the easy mode too but I don't like thief :( I get the feeling you replied to the wrong thing? I mean then again, it seems youre just the newest flavour of burnfall, blind hatred of thief while simultaniously having clearly no clue about thief whatsoever. Again: played thief, left it early on 'cause it was unpunishable and I was disgusted by how deeply easy and with no depth the gameplay was. Thief players on this forum act as if stealth into backstab for 15 minutes until someone dies is high skill cap, I renew my invitation to play a real class -any real class- and see if you can get away with the kitten thief lets you do. Mate I've not even been playing thief in over a year. Im an Engineer player (core engineer specifically, which I'd wager is one of the hardest builds around in general). Thief aint easy. Easier than Engineer, yes, but anything that isnt some ele builds is easier than Engineer. Someone has yet to explain in which universe stealth into backstab for 15 minutes is high skill cap, 'cause for the life of me I can't understand it. Because thats just one tiny thing of the many things thief does? Thats like saying "Someone has yet to explain in which universe Plasma Beam into Arcane Blast and Lightning Strike for 15 minutes is high skill cap, 'cause for the life of me I can't understand it." Or hell, Prestige into Cry of Frustration. Because its a stupid statement meant by someone who clearly fails to understand even the absolute fundamentals of thief. Try failing a burst with a d\p thief, then try failing a burst with a fresh air ele, come back to this forum and report to the rest of the community what happens when you fail and CAN'T reset 100 times. tRy FaiLiNg a BuRsT oN D/P tHiEF anD tHeN Go BuTtOn MaSH oN NeCRo foR 2000% MoRe DaMaGe aNd MoRe SurViVabIliTY, CoMe BacK To ThIs FoRuM aNd RePoRt To ThE ReSt oF the CoMMuNi... CoMmMuni... CoMmUniTttty WhaT HapPenS WhEn yoU faIl and CaN"T ReSet 100 TimEs how'd I do? Imagine thinking necro has better survivability than thief. Good times. You think the class with the biggest health pool + a second health pool doesn't have the highest survivability? Please hook me up with your plug.

Damn, nobody can show that thief is ridiculously OP. That's wild.

Shoutout to when no thieves are in the top 250 of that and everybody begins to question why

dont play celestial.. well celestial is gone either way.. and nope.. thief shouldnt be able to kill a weaver in 1v1 ^^ I sure loved that thread when somebody else said that you're new and don't have any idea how to really play PvP and you couldn't reply. That should be our default reply to you newbie. i replayed unless the guy wasnt worth my replay such as you.. lets make it clear .. the balance changes constantly.. 2 years ago balance was entirely differnet .. infact why go this far.. on feb before the update balance was entirely different,.. i dont give a kitten how long you been in game.. you stayed stuck in the past ... im here on the present and future.. you seem to not know how to pvp your self.. despite how long you been in game.. and thats my prof that being new /old to game doesnt matter.. its either you have what needed or you dont.. you certainly dont.. and even if you somehow do.. your arrogance makes you very little to care about Imagine being here in the present and still asking how to play your class and fight others on forums lmfao. Just admit it little buddy, you aren't that good yet. never asked how to play my class. im doing fine ty ^^ and even if i would ask that wouldnt be you.. so give your big fake ego a glass of cold water .. and some cubes of ice.. it doesnt do you good or grace.. it only make you look.. well.. not so smart and not a grown up... arguing with kids is stressful https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/102842/help-understanding-tactic-traitline#latestCreated April 15, 2020 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/102359/help-understanding-dual-wield-trait-pls#latestCreated April 12, 2020 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89025/advice-with-class-newplayer#latestCreated November 3rd, 2019! Just one year ago! Do I need to continue? yoiu are out of date :D this is old ^^ i take no shame in asking people opinon first of all .. so long they aint kids like you..and well these are old :D been a long while since then zzzz I sure loved that thread when somebody else said that you're new and don't have any idea how to really play PvP and you couldn't reply. That should be our default reply to you newbie.

So your argument for thief being able to fight on sides is that they're able to kill another dead profession? and your indicator that thief cant be on side nodes is since it cant beat 1 specific prof? despite being able to beat other classes that are also meta?cought DH, holo cough both DH and Holo counter thief. If they're dying to a thief then it isn't because thief is superior, it's because the thief was just the better player. both DH and holo counter meta thief, if they are dying to META thief then its because META thief is supperiorBoth DH and Holo have a lower skill floor and ceiling than Thief. I would seriously bet that meta thief isn't superior, the thief player is just better. I used to be a hardcore top 100 player every season that played 400-500 games a season, but now I just casually play and i'm currently at 60 games this season. I beat holo and DH players in my gold games, but it isn't because thief is better than them. I simply know the tricks to kill them because I've fought a lot of them and I've fought the best of them. Going into gold and killing some average holos and DHs is lightwork, but if the holo/DH was on my level or better then they would utterly destroy me. That's how simple it is. PvP in GW2 functions like multi-dimensional rock, paper, scissors. The thing is that the second dimension is skill factoring in and so while DH and Holo were designed and are even currently maintained to counter thief-- the difference in experience factors in greatly.

So your argument for thief being able to fight on sides is that they're able to kill another dead profession? and your indicator that thief cant be on side nodes is since it cant beat 1 specific prof? despite being able to beat other classes that are also meta?cought DH, holo coughboth DH and Holo counter thief. If they're dying to a thief then it isn't because thief is superior, it's because the thief was just the better player.

So your argument for thief being able to fight on sides is that they're able to kill another dead profession?

dont play celestial.. well celestial is gone either way.. and nope.. thief shouldnt be able to kill a weaver in 1v1 ^^ I sure loved that thread when somebody else said that you're new and don't have any idea how to really play PvP and you couldn't reply. That should be our default reply to you newbie. i replayed unless the guy wasnt worth my replay such as you.. lets make it clear .. the balance changes constantly.. 2 years ago balance was entirely differnet .. infact why go this far.. on feb before the update balance was entirely different,.. i dont give a kitten how long you been in game.. you stayed stuck in the past ... im here on the present and future.. you seem to not know how to pvp your self.. despite how long you been in game.. and thats my prof that being new /old to game doesnt matter.. its either you have what needed or you dont.. you certainly dont.. and even if you somehow do.. your arrogance makes you very little to care about Imagine being here in the present and still asking how to play your class and fight others on forums lmfao. Just admit it little buddy, you aren't that good yet. never asked how to play my class. im doing fine ty ^^ and even if i would ask that wouldnt be you.. so give your big fake ego a glass of cold water .. and some cubes of ice.. it doesnt do you good or grace.. it only make you look.. well.. not so smart and not a grown up... arguing with kids is stressful https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/102842/help-understanding-tactic-traitline#latestCreated April 15, 2020 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/102359/help-understanding-dual-wield-trait-pls#latestCreated April 12, 2020 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89025/advice-with-class-newplayer#latestCreated November 3rd, 2019! Just one year ago! Do I need to continue?

dont play celestial.. well celestial is gone either way.. and nope.. thief shouldnt be able to kill a weaver in 1v1 ^^ I sure loved that thread when somebody else said that you're new and don't have any idea how to really play PvP and you couldn't reply. That should be our default reply to you newbie. i replayed unless the guy wasnt worth my replay such as you.. lets make it clear .. the balance changes constantly.. 2 years ago balance was entirely differnet .. infact why go this far.. on feb before the update balance was entirely different,.. i dont give a kitten how long you been in game.. you stayed stuck in the past ... im here on the present and future.. you seem to not know how to pvp your self.. despite how long you been in game.. and thats my prof that being new /old to game doesnt matter.. its either you have what needed or you dont.. you certainly dont.. and even if you somehow do.. your arrogance makes you very little to care about Imagine being here in the present and still asking how to play your class and fight others on forums lmfao. Just admit it little buddy, you aren't that good yet.

dont play celestial.. well celestial is gone either way.. and nope.. thief shouldnt be able to kill a weaver in 1v1 ^^ I sure loved that thread when somebody else said that you're new and don't have any idea how to really play PvP and you couldn't reply. That should be our default reply to you newbie.

Why i proposed going back to the old system which would drastically reduce the PvP ranks for everybody.

This won't be my usual post complaining about how ANet destroyed thief. Instead I'd like to add a discussion about how the PvP team should add some new PvP animal ranks. Like many people that have played PvP for years, I currently have a rank in the hundreds-- mine is 571 in particular. After you hit a rank of 80 though, you still stay a dragon and that's when the end of cool animal ranks/finishers ends. Now that Guild Wars 2 is 8 years old, I think a proposition should open up where the ranks go back to the old system to simplify the numbers and also adding in new animals from the various expansions (or heck, even new mythical animals/titles overall) complete with their own unique finishers so we can add some new pizzazz into pvp. I Get bored just hitting 572, 573, 574, 575 at this point. This would really give me some excitement and I'm sure it would really excite some other older players that really have nothing to look forward to.

This reads like that white government official that posted "As a gay black man, President Obama did nothing to help me compared to President Trump" or whatever he said. If you wanna pretend to be a thief player then go ahead, however... at least say feasible stuff. Im saying this after playing it in a high level for the past 2 months. Thief has the best mobility in the game, huge stealth durations, big damage, CC, unblckable CC, unblockable damage, blind, aoe 5k bursts, damage reduction, condi remove, 2 stunbreaks in 1 skill, teleports. Are you saying this is isnt feasible? The fact you can get 2.7k range from shortbow 5 spam to escape is fine? I wouldve nerfed thief shortbow harder than this but EVERY high tier player within the development discord agreed that it was too much and im fairly sure that this opinion is correct. You could try to chase but oh wait shortbow 5, kitten i cant catch up.. then another.. and another then stealth. But oh wait hes back where he started again. Shortbow is not remotely balanced on thief and im fairly certain i know more after playing it vs every matchup at a good level.Even Pain (one of the best theives in gw2) says this and agrees like you cant argue with that lol. Just accept the fact thief was busted and now isnt as busted and stop trying to argue about an actual good nerf lol. aight, professional black guy-- i mean thief player. Ah thank you for the nonsensical bs from a player who most likely cant comprehend the class. Become good at it and try to understand its value and sheer stupidity of the busted mechanics that the class has before asserting a kitten opinion based off 0 evidence. Even watch high tier games of thief players and you will see how dumb its mobiltiy is with shortbow 5 then actually say something worth some sort of value about a class you dont understand, Thanks. :) I have 10,000 games on thief. Next

Holo kills Daredevil. And you're expecting this to actually make sense?

Please don't even float around the idea of a heartseeker initiative increase before one of our only 3 decent skills gets nerfed.

Buffs across the board because PvP is ridiculous garbage now.

People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently !its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class.. The thing is, Thief isn't killing every class. Thief is another class that faces counters and weaknesses from multiple other professions. The easiest way to kill thief is literally one of the dozens of skills that forces a thief into revealed, however people don't have enough brain cells to bring those anymore usually, they just complain when a thief goes into stealth. I can think of 100 different counters for thief, but if you don't ever play it then you'll never discover them. We die in 2 hits, but you sure don't see us asking for more vitality or toughness. We just want these nerfs to stop and to see some added damage because our current damage is rather pitiful. I promise you that nobody will click on this video or even care. If you wanna say something then use your actual words.

People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently !its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class.. The thing is, Thief isn't killing every class. Thief is another class that faces counters and weaknesses from multiple other professions. The easiest way to kill thief is literally one of the dozens of skills that forces a thief into revealed, however people don't have enough brain cells to bring those anymore usually, they just complain when a thief goes into stealth. I can think of 100 different counters for thief, but if you don't ever play it then you'll never discover them. We die in 2 hits, but you sure don't see us asking for more vitality or toughness. We just want these nerfs to stop and to see some added damage because our current damage is rather pitiful. then ill say it again.. the issue i have with thieves is stealth... and unless stealth is finally reworked.. thieves are problem.. and sorry not every class/build can have reveal .. if they give every class a decent reveal skills eyah i wont have problem with thieves dont get me wrong i dont want to see thieves as bad class.. i want rework for steralth :) What class do you play? a few.. and 1 of them got rightfully nerfed.. i think it got over nerfed but its fine.. time to play more classes.. i play reaper/core necro (power cause condi is cancer)i play speall breaker but currently warriors are kitten so i played heal warrior which got over nerfed.. . i play rev both herald and renegade which also got over nerfed today..so overall i took more nerfs from you .. but i think they were needed... im happy about might make right cause its right direciton but i think physicall skills need to get their damage back for warrior to be a fighter again .. and improve self might aplication for sustain well of course you think thief is overpowered, you chose every profession that is countered by good thieves. Expand your horizons and if you think thief is just the God that controls PvP, then why don't you go try out thief for a week. Come back to me, and I'll accept the apology that you have.

People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently !its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class.. The thing is, Thief isn't killing every class. Thief is another class that faces counters and weaknesses from multiple other professions. The easiest way to kill thief is literally one of the dozens of skills that forces a thief into revealed, however people don't have enough brain cells to bring those anymore usually, they just complain when a thief goes into stealth. I can think of 100 different counters for thief, but if you don't ever play it then you'll never discover them. We die in 2 hits, but you sure don't see us asking for more vitality or toughness. We just want these nerfs to stop and to see some added damage because our current damage is rather pitiful. then ill say it again.. the issue i have with thieves is stealth... and unless stealth is finally reworked.. thieves are problem.. and sorry not every class/build can have reveal .. if they give every class a decent reveal skills eyah i wont have problem with thieves dont get me wrong i dont want to see thieves as bad class.. i want rework for steralth :) What class do you play?

People forget how strong thief was 2 years ago...in comparison to now, it's a joke what's happened to thief. Darren is a top 100 player. He knows how to play thief I've dueled him many times, and I share his disdain for people that think thief is OP... It's ghost of it's former self...all the fun sucked dry from all weapons...all traits... if he was more op .. doesnt mean its weak now.. you can not compare to what it was but to the builds you have currently !its like speaking about spell breaker.. how op it was . and look now? or scourge? but its not how to think about it.. the fact is thief is still meta.. daredevil is still very strong class and im sorry you disagree. but thief dont need to have super mobility and still be able to kill every class.. The thing is, Thief isn't killing every class. Thief is another class that faces counters and weaknesses from multiple other professions. The easiest way to kill thief is literally one of the dozens of skills that forces a thief into revealed, however people don't have enough brain cells to bring those anymore usually, they just complain when a thief goes into stealth. I can think of 100 different counters for thief, but if you don't ever play it then you'll never discover them. We die in 2 hits, but you sure don't see us asking for more vitality or toughness. We just want these nerfs to stop and to see some added damage because our current damage is rather pitiful.

In the coming days i'll write about this nerf, but until then. This balance patch and balance team are garbage.