I've been running the holy warlock build against t1 zergs as a scum-pugging casual, not even joining squads a lot of the time. What you write above does not match my experience at all, and they certainly have plenty of competent groups. Do I die? Sure - I zag wrong, make a mistake, I die. But I get bags and situations very much like those vids too, and it happens a lot once you understand the positioning and cooldowns. This is not a roaming build - it's totally about positioning and understanding the flow of zergs. TBH, a cloud of rangers, mesmers, and thieves are vastly more dangerous to this build than the standard meta build, but that's old news - there's no "one true build". Again, not my experience. Especially when there's a significant number of rangers around (when aren't there? ), once you create a bunch of downs on the flanks or backline, they die fast. There's a lot of people with good reactions just waiting for an edge, and this build creates a lot of opportunities. The build makes a difference, it is not negligible. -Jeff