Thevaultdwellinggamer.4267

From a pvper perceptive, I knew Harbinger is going to be garbage for pvp, but everyone is telling me. "You're an idiot, the sustain it has is amazing, and you have tons of mobility options, you just bad at the game." To those people, Well. Well. Well. It looks like I was right after all, now it's going to feel FAR more apparent that Harbringer in pvp will Never compete, because the heals you have are gone, and the reduce Mobility will screw you over. But hey, They reduce your blight now, from 50% to 37.% And they let you have the ability to REMOVE blight. That's cool, while I am being rooted, and push around like a rag doll the VERY moment I use shroud, because I have no cc break, no any defensive utility beside some evade, no sustain, no Purge, NOTHING! Shroud isn't even protecting any necromancer anymore, so may god help you if people begin to focus on you. I said that shroud will be a death sentence in pvp before, and now it's more evident than ever. People are just going to save their cc the VERY moment you use shroud. They won't even give you a chance to do anything with shroud, because you have no way to cc break WHILE in shroud. So yeah, to the people who thought that Harbinger will be fine for pvp. Where's your excuse now?

Even it that was the case, at the very least it sticked with it's main mechanic, Shroud. What's Specter excuse?

So Anet gave Thieves Necro's Main gimmick, and that's enough for thieves to get excited? I can not even imagine how grossly offended some of the necro are seeing how Specter worked lol.

Ah, I see the Pvpers are now putting out strawman argument to justify their garbage behavior. Now I don't know what you will do beyond that little internet mask of yours, but I for one don't go out of my way to be toxic in a match of basketball whenever My team screws up. Because there is such a thing called human decently and good sportsmanship. Your solution? Is sweeping something under the rug. A "Dystopian utopia? Suppressing emotions?" What are these nonsense? Lmao. Apparently asking to have, you know? human decency? Is apparent so much to ask that you would rather see a world of toxic morons going at each other's throat then to actually be nice. No one asking anyone to live in a world of dictators. No it isn't as "Simple" As Block, report, move on. If it was, Win trading wouldn't have exist, or have people feeding the opponent, and sitting at the spawn point because they didn't get their way. These type of toxic behavior are the many, MANY Reason why the pvp mode in this game are an absolute state of Despair, because especially now? It happens more often than not. More reason than anything to convince more people to not play pvp and to demonize the pvp community, Because again. They deserve to be demonize. They have done nothing but defend their behavior, shun and laugh at someone who beginning to question themselves, and push away any sensible players who have any interest in pvp in this game.

Lmao, Who said I was trying to get more people to try out a dead game mode like this? No, I'm only here to console op because I know how they feels, among all the other post that only serve to dismiss their concerns in the most condescending way possible. And to do that, I have to demonize the pvp community, because they deserve to be demonize. I have to because I want to show how much of a better person this person is. You think pvp deserve to have more people? I don't think so. You haven't done anything to earn the privilege. Not when there a history of pvpers doxxing, ddosing, cheating, harassing, among other things. You don't deserve to see this game mode revived.

HA! You're delusional if you think that "Pvpers" Want to win. Oh yeah, they wanna win alright, but they don't wanna do it the honorable and fair way, ooooooooh no. They have to be absolute clowns about it. Win trading wouldn't have became a big issue if it was all about competition. Grand theft auto online wouldn't be a cesspool like it is now. You know New world was be far more pvp focus back then? Full loot and everything. Pvpers like you ruined that because you couldn't help yourself to grief low level players and to get them rage. Should I mentioned that in old school runescape, the pvp community tried to outvote the pve crowd in regards to a EXTREMELY Anticipated mode? All because a pvp streamer had a hissy fit that he lost a pvp tourney and decided that everyone should suffer, and have his cult do the same. Op shouldn't have posted in these forums, Let alone posted in the pvp forum of all things. Because the truth of the matter is, You thieve on seeing people get hurt, emotionally, and mentally. You throw temper tantrum when things don't go your way, and you act on your high horse because being good at pvp suddenly make you think you have the rights to look down on others and disregard their feelings. And you can deny any and all of this you want, you can tell me I am being Too "Serious." But there has been plenty of evidence where Pvpers doing immoral things just because they are able to. From street fighter, to call of duty, to games like this. And let this video serve as proof that you pvpers have no integrity, no honor. Just someone who want to go high on a power trip, and act like utter childs when they lose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_uAe5DyrXQ

See this? Griefer. Only in it to get a riot out of you. He had no reason to be rude to you, but he chooses to anyway. When you lurk the forum long enough, you will see that a lot of threads are filled with People like these, where they feel the need be condescending, or be a jerk entirely. I agree with his advice. Just turn off chat, In fact, it better you don't interact with with chat at all for as long as you play the game. Nothing good comes from it, trust me. Notice how I am respectful and civil my response is? It's a rarity in this forum, don't expect any sympathy here if you asking this forum for help because something went wrong, because they would rather accuse you with something with no evidence to back it up then to help someone like you, hell. I guess that also mean, don't use the forum then. Either way, Just don't interact with anyone in this game is my best advice. Pvers are usually more kinder. Usually. But I been wrong before lmao.

Let me just say this. 90% of the pvp community in ALL Games, Not just gw2, Are only in it to grief others. Even this thread is filled with people dismissing you by saying "Use ignore" And stuff like that, just to make you feel worst about yourself. And while it is true that you should use the ignore feature, It's a band aid fix, pure and simple, because the truth of the matter is, If the Gw2 gave the player the ability to harass you, they will do it without hesitation. Just so they can throw you into the pit of despair, just for the lul of it. They don't care about your feelings, your opinion, your very existence. They only care about your suffering. Why you think they're rude and vulgar all the time? Saying stupid nonesense like "Sit." And "Seethe and cope."? Because they don't want competition, they want rewards, seeing people lose it. That is why Pvp is toxic. That is why you should be above it and not let it get to you. Because if you're not the one who is win trading? If you're not the one who gets Angry and rage at someone because you lose? You are FAR Better then this joke of a game mode. Trust me, if Anet give griefers the tool, they would steal everything in your account just so they can see you lose it, so be thankful that is not the case.

I want to say something that I think people don't even realize. Say you want to use shroud to burst someone down? At the eyes of a good player, you just given a ticket to locking you down, and bursting you down. And if the burst somehow didn't kill you, they will pressure you to finish you off, and There is almost nothing you can do about it. You don't have access to your utility skills while in shroud. I mean, you can turn off shroud while stunned, so at least anet were generous enough to give us that, but that doesn't stop the lockdown problem we necro had for YEARS! And some idiot in the gw2 discord were telling me to "Git gud." and to bait people's cc. Like great, yeah. That's the solution. Like it does anything remotely note worthy of our lockdown problem, our survival problem. But hey, we can do 45k dps, so harbinger don't need the survivability.... Despite the fact that thief can easily burst people down while having, Perma stealth, evade, vigor, blind, mobility and shadowstep, and a extra dodge bar. So you know, we necro gotta have to deal with another 3-4 yeara until we get a expansion that has the chance for a elite spec that actually protects you like thief, mesmer, warrior, and so many others. Harbinger makes Necro's weakness far more apparent, it's painful.

Here the thing, It does has sustain, I will give you that. But that won't matter on the grand scheme of things because anyone who is worth their salt will burst you down, sustain or no. Harbinger is too predictable, and once people figure that out, harbinger will be dogged down constantly with no way to defend ourselves. Why do you think classes like guardian is able to sustain so well, despite having extremely low health? It's because they have block, they have vulnerabilities, they have aegis. Spellbreakers have full counter that is on a 8 second cooldown, block with shield, endure pain. They have the tools to to make those sustain relevent. We get none of that. We are trading off one of our only survival skill, for more damage, that lowers our max health every second. I might as well go back to reaper at that point, because Reaper at least allow me to still deal respectable damage while letting me be more tanky a little while longer before my face hit the dirt. Pvp Necromancer has been asking for some sort of defense, for years! Mobility, blocking, anything. Harbinger is like a spit in the face for necromancer, because again, Harbinger is taking away our ONLY defensive skill, and giving us nothing but damage in return. Maybe the pve crowd need damage, but the pvp crowd doesn't. Any necromancer who knows the class inside and all, will realize how much of a liability/death sentence shroud is once they get screwed too many times. And their opponent will take notice and take advantage of that.

Look, Harbinger is an interesting class... Pve wise. Basically lowering your max health to deal high damage. And you know what, that's fine. I'm ok with that. But what I'm not ok with is what this class offers Pvp wise. Because what harbinger offers in pvp is garbage. Why do we still have no defensive abilities? In fact, why isn't there a way to cc break in shroud, in a specialization where shroud no longer protects me? We have no blocks, no Invulnerability, we have one evade, but that's it. We only get one stability, but that only if you're going for the power harbinger route. The other source of stabability is though the lich elite skill. We don't have stealth, nor do we have mobility or even shadowstep. We got two gap closers I suppose, but for the most part, we don't have anything to protect ourselves beside blinds. To make even matters worst, We have the blight mechanic, which lowers your max health the longer you're in it, or whenever you use an elixir. (Who in their right mind would use them in pvp though?) Making you even more susceptible to burst damage then you already are, ok? So when you use the harbinger shroud, sure you can deal a lot of damage, that's not something to be questioned. But why does that matter when the moment you use shroud, A pvp player who have half a brain who knows necro are weak to lockdowns, are gonna do just that. And don't forget, shroud doesn't protect us anymore, so all the damage they're doing to us in shroud? is going directly at our health, not our life force. So when you combine the fact that you can't cc break in shroud, any damage you take goes into your health while in shroud, and the blight system that adds up while in shroud, it's just a recipe for disaster. You can argue that I shouldn't be camping shroud, and that's true. You shouldn't be camping shroud in a pvp setting. But that's not my problem. My problem is the fact that after 3 expansion, besides maybe scourge we have nothing to protect us or even defend ourselves when we get in a tight spot. Harbinger Amplify that problem , and make that weakness far more apparent then any other necro elite specialization up to this point. And here's the thing. Again, yes, it does a lot of damage, You can even argue that harbinger deserve no defense because of the damage it can deal. And I would agree with you on that, if it wasn't for the fact that classes like thief can deal the same burst damage a harbinger can, With perma stealth, evade, Vigor, more dodge roll stamina to work with, blinds, and far more mobility options then harbinger. And thieves are squishy classes, lets not kid ourselves, but they have the tools to protect themselves. All Necro had was life force. It's the only thing we had to protect us from damage. And even with life force, it doesn't mean kitten when you have no means to sustain yourself and protect yourself from harm. ,

That, My friend, isn't communication. It's selling a product. All Companies do this to get folks hyped up for stuff like end of dragon, and to shell out money like there is no tomorrow. You'd only be fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Trust me, After end of dragon release, the silence will be deafening. Mark my word.

Do you people even play Necro? Do you realize we're an utter joke ever since, EVER? The Shade nerf isn't gonna do what you think it's going to do. It's not a single Scourge affecting an entire zergs with it's shade, it's over 50 of Scourges that is spamming Shade like it's no tomorrow. It's not going affect a zergling. I guarantee it. If you think this is enough to stop scourges, You don't know the numbers of the game. Sure, you can only affect 5 people now, and you can only corrupt up to 1 boon now. But that doesn't mean a god damn thing when you have an organized zerg of Scourges Melting you with their onslaught of condi and boon corrupt. Affecting 5 people means nothing to a zergling. This nerf does nothing, but screw over people who uses this outside of wvw. Seriously man, It isn't right, nerfing Scourge like this, Nerfing Necromancer like this. And yes, Scourges needed a nerf, but clearly this isn't the way to go.

lmao, To all the people defending this crap, here's a video of Jim Sterling.