The line in the sand

[Saelgash.7014]

Just now, Einsof.1457 said:

You're playing an MMORPG. A lot of people think they are playing a single player game. 

How they wish to play is totally up to them.  Your stance is you enjoy the challenge. I totally get it. Do you believe this much ranting would have been there if the mount had not been attached to it? The amount of complaints on this forum would have drastically gone down. 

 

The above post that you "completely agreed with" implies that anyone who has voiced their concerns are a bunch of auto-attackers. What about those who actually pull their weight? Who have no say over who gets to join the instance ? Did it possibly occur to you that maybe there does need to be some fine tuning to the event? 

 

Whirlpools cc bar? If i recall right we got whirlpools during the phase shes spinning around.Maybe thats working ads intended I don't recall seeing that .

The whole break CC with an item that requires you to use Waypoint stations from another zone ?

Swapping sides right after breaking cc bars?

Horrendous loot ?

Lets not even talk about the sub grouping and boon distribution ?

 

Are there basic mechanics being missed. Yes there is. Perhaps if all of the content wasn't face roll till now then things would have been better. Whether you believe it or not there are folks out there who are pulling their weight and are still being penalized for it on the sole grounds of this being an open event. Remove the egg form the event . Add different rewards for the Meta. Disconnect the Lore text from the meta. Let the fishing buff remain even if you change zones. Grant rewards for challenging content to those who complete the meta. Leave the ones who want no part out of it.  As this is its a horrid implementation of good content. 

 

The difference between my points and the OP is I'm not trying to ruin your game while I'm offering a suggestion to be inclusive of all players. 

[Slowpokeking.8720]

10 minutes ago, Saelgash.7014 said:

How they wish to play is totally up to them.  Your stance is you enjoy the challenge. I totally get it. Do you believe this much ranting would have been there if the mount had not been attached to it? The amount of complaints on this forum would have drastically gone down. 

 

The above post that you "completely agreed with" implies that anyone who has voiced their concerns are a bunch of auto-attackers. What about those who actually pull their weight? Who have no say over who gets to join the instance ? Did it possibly occur to you that maybe there does need to be some fine tuning to the event? 

 

Whirlpools cc bar? If i recall right we got whirlpools during the phase shes spinning around.Maybe thats working ads intended I don't recall seeing that .

The whole break CC with an item that requires you to use Waypoint stations from another zone ?

Swapping sides right after breaking cc bars?

Horrendous loot ?

Lets not even talk about the sub grouping and boon distribution ?

 

Are there basic mechanics being missed. Yes there is. Perhaps if all of the content wasn't face roll till now then things would have been better. Whether you believe it or not there are folks out there who are pulling their weight and are still being penalized for it on the sole grounds of this being an open event. Remove the egg form the event . Add different rewards for the Meta. Disconnect the Lore text from the meta. Let the fishing buff remain even if you change zones. Grant rewards for challenging content to those who complete the meta. Leave the ones who want no part out of it.  As this is its a horrid implementation of good content. 

 

The difference between my points and the OP is I'm not trying to ruin your game while I'm offering a suggestion to be inclusive of all players. 

Without the collection, this meta would have been dead by now.

[Freya.9075]

So you’re saying the RNG attacks from the boss makes your effort worthwhile? What is the difference when it comes to skill to turn a lucky wheel to win the fight and get your egg or buy it with gold or map currency? Getting the Mount pre nerf is not about skill. It’s about luck and a dedicated commander who does deserve praise for organizing this potentially fun but chaotic meta. 
 

luckily it seems anet listened and will do some changes 

Edited March 11, 2022 by Freya.9075

[DylanLucas.6058]

I never knew that ArenaNet wanted all this toxicity in their game, because thats what is really happening right now. This post proves it.

 

People speak about the so called "casuals" that are dad-gamers (im a dad too but still very motivated and playing almost every evening) or folks that are only into fashion or people that are leeching.

 

I've been doing that Meta event in Dragons End alot of times now, all failed and I'm at the point that I don;'t care about finishing it anymore, but it is causing a vere toxic split in the playerbase. On the LFG people are even asking 250Li for doing a goddamn meta.

 

Anet open your eyes!!! 

Edited March 11, 2022 by DylanLucas.6058

[Scolix.4879]

Personally i don't really care about the turtle mount i tried the event once and that was enough for me i hated every moment of it first half is slow boring escort quest and the later half was XX amount of headless chickens running around doing F all. And all of tht took so long that i have no willpower to try it again. Well maybe in 6 or so years like i did dragons stand.

My main problem with the event is that it takes way way too long to first start it and then the whole thing seems to be crap shoot especially with random people.

1 hour ago, Einsof.1457 said:

You're playing an MMORPG. A lot of people think they are playing a single player game with online elements. 

I play mmos like that i still have not done a single "dungeon" or whatever they call them in this game and i have been here since the beginning. After running thousands of instances in wow and swtor i just have zero interest in them and especially in this game when there is really no real incentive to even run them.

[Minjin.8259]

I stopped reading when you said "smashing 1" because anyone who got to DE in the first few days might be casual, but they aren't just smashing 1.  They invested hours and money into the game.  People who have tried 10 times, 20 times, 40 times to do the meta are not just smashing 1.  This is an urban legend.  Like razor blades in halloween candy.  Sure maybe it happens once in a while but in no way is that the norm.  Stop saying that.  People aren't doing that.  Some of us have tried, we have gone with organized groups, we have brought alac or quick or whatever you need.  So just stop it.  Furthermore SS and griffon didn't require anywhere near this much participation the part of other players.  If you can't recognize this meta is bad due to the RNG, then you are not paying attention.  You can go with groups that do everything right and still fail due to RNG.  So just stop with the "smashing 1" because that is a fallacy.

[Minjin.8259]

10 hours ago, captrowdy.9561 said:

This is a video game you earned nothing. I just got done with skyscale and it certainly feels special but that’s it. I didn’t ride a bicycle 100 miles or complete a challenging project at work. I sat on my kitten infront of a computer playing a game. 

See I agree with this, this is the other thing....does smashing 8 buttons or 10 buttons make you so much more accomplished than smashing 1 button if people were even doing that?  You are sitting at a keyboard smashing buttons, you aren't curing a disease or enacting world peace.

Edited March 11, 2022 by Minjin.8259

[HellsPriest.6745]

4 minutes ago, Minjin.8259 said:

I stopped reading when you said "smashing 1" because anyone who got to DE in the first few days might be casual, but they aren't just smashing 1.  They invested hours and money into the game.  People who have tried 10 times, 20 times, 40 times to do the meta are not just smashing 1.  This is an urban legend.  Like razor blades in halloween candy.  Sure maybe it happens once in a while but in no way is that the norm.  Stop saying that.  People aren't doing that.  Some of us have tried, we have gone with organized groups, we have brought alac or quick or whatever you need.  So just stop it.  Furthermore SS and griffon didn't require anywhere near this much participation the part of other players.  If you can't recognize this meta is bad due to the RNG, then you are not paying attention.  You can go with groups that do everything right and still fail due to RNG.  So just stop with the "smashing 1" because that is a fallacy.

Wrong. I've ran with groups where the RNG is at its max and still beat it with several minutes left...if you push the dragon into the next phase fast enough with dps and doing the right things at the right times...you don't allow it to RNG as much.

 

Also a reply to others, "I will play the game how I want to". Nobody ever said you should not play the game how you want to.

 

Play the game HOWEVER you feel fit, but don't then whine that you don't get something for free because you don't paricipate in this type of open world gameplay. What's next are we gonna whine about not being able to get Legendaries or Ascended because we don't want to grind or work for it? We just want it free, because costume wars? Come on, your style of gameplay shouldn't change how a meta runs...there are plenty of other easy metas for you to run...this all comes down to, people want their turtle for free without having to do absolutely anything for it.

[HellsPriest.6745]

37 minutes ago, Freya.9075 said:

So you’re saying the RNG attacks from the boss makes your effort worthwhile? What is the difference when it comes to skill to turn a lucky wheel to win the fight and get your egg or buy it with gold or map currency? Getting the Mount pre nerf is not about skill. It’s about luck and a dedicated commander who does deserve praise for organizing this potentially fun but chaotic meta. 
 

luckily it seems anet listened and will do some changes 

It isn't about luck when you run with groups who are beating it every single time now. I can show you if you'd like, it is about knowing what to do regardless. Some people are delusional in their pool of whining they aren't even seeing what is going on at this point. There are groups beating it back to back every time now, regardless of what RNG it throws at them because the mechanics HAVE been figured out on how to beat it properly.

[HellsPriest.6745]

10 hours ago, MechanicalMind.9126 said:

 

Honestly... the moment you started to define the game for others in your first paragraph is the moment i stopped reading and taking you seriously. Good luck with that. 

Thanks! I've played since beta so I'm pretty sure I know how to define the game. There are many gameplay types in this game which is amazing, but whining doesn't mean any ONE part of the game should be changed because other certain types of players don't like it. Should fractals change because WvW players may not like how Fractals work? Should WvW change because PVE players don't like how it works? No.

[Freya.9075]

1 minute ago, HellsPriest.6745 said:

It isn't about luck when you run with groups who are beating it every single time now. I can show you if you'd like, it is about knowing what to do regardless. Some people are delusional in their pool of whining they aren't even seeing what is going on at this point. There are groups beating it back to back every time now, regardless of what RNG it throws at them because the mechanics HAVE been figured out on how to beat it properly.

No ty. I got my turtle in three tries. I’m not complaining. I find the meta fun but I understand why ppl don’t find it fun which is why change is needed. It wouldn’t  be such an uproar if it was just a small issue. It doesn’t  change the RNG part of the meta. The ppl complaining has good points when it comes to this one. 

[HellsPriest.6745]

9 hours ago, Saelgash.7014 said:

Most people who are raising their concerns are. Why do you feel like questioning it ? 
 

How one plays this game is totally up to them.  The mounts mentioned above did not require the effort of a whole community to obtain it . Was easily doable by pretty much anyone. How multiple players voice their concerns on not obtaining a mount which is clearly advertised on the website which involves a gameplay style he or she is not accustomed is whining is beyond me. Perhaps you didn’t know that events generally get tuned based on feedback or in your terms whining. 

 

I’m happy to hear that . Did you consider that there is a populace that does not have the same amount of time you have an abundance with.  How you feel about the turtle is irrelative to another person . Perhaps they just like travelling on it to random zone x and stomping rats . It just doesn’t matter. 

 

I thought you enjoyed the experience rather than the prestige associated with it. Are you claiming this is something only a select few should have . Perhaps it would do good to look further in what would be more fun for a major portion of the community than just a few? 
 

 

Although I didn’t want to say it, at this point you are being toxic. So all failed attempts are people who have been doing nothing but smashing. May I remind you that you failed 9 times. Perhaps you didn’t press 1 enough . Actually I apologise maybe the other 40 + carried you….

 

I apologise in advance for the above statement but I hope it will clear where your post above is just wrong in so many ways. 

And to be clear the reward s for the time invested for this meta is better spent elsewhere. This has been raised multiple times and I’m sure the devs are working on some kind of plausible solution. 
 

Sure why not. And again the snide EARNED remark is more appearing like you are asking for some kind of prestige status attached to the mount. I wont point out while the rest of that quote is just wrong but I’m sure you can figure out. And again I urge you to look at the regular gamer who isn’t as well versed at this game. Perhaps give the egg  from the NPC. And all those who earned it early a neon flashing one for all I care. That is something people would standby. 
 

How is providing another alternative for other gamers a huge nerf to the expansion is beyond me. In the further points you are merely reinforcing what I’ve said. The map  is going to be dead zone unless it soon finds a balance which is amicable for all types of gamers. 
 

Which will hopefully be addressed. As for the difficulty in the event. It’s not per-say difficulty if you have been doing content. It’s just an item has been locked under an event which requires the coordination of people who randomly joint the map. Unless of course you are calling for people to organise outside the map and call for meta builds and leave the rest out ? Definitely don’t see the community growing after that . 

 

Had this been a raid / strike I would have probably said a nerf is just injustice. Had it not required a higher level of coordination I would have said not to touch it. A good communal player would have been inclusive of most folks not regretful about random player x getting horrible mount y from the Event z. But I guess prestige in games do that . I probably will get ranted at but nonetheless I just felt like point out why this thread is just wrong. 

"Most people" who are whining, are not the majority. As we are seeing a lot of people are still working hard (pre-nerf) to do the content, and enjoying the meta the way it is. Negative whining will always outshine positivity no matter what though, which is sad.

 

How one plays definitely is up to the player themselves, but just because someone decides they want to run around a map "stomping rats" with their turtle mount, doesn't mean it should be nerfed while others are playing the game in a more viable fun mechaniclly built way.

 

I'm a casual gamer, and I've said that many times. I'm by no means a pro player, elite player, pro player, any of that. I still like a challenge, not a nerf when I don't get something I want so easily. At that rate, every single thing about this game is going to be nerfed and will be a costume collection game and trust me....THAT is what is killing this game truly. This is becoming a "collect them all" game, not Guild Wars 2.

[Minjin.8259]

5 minutes ago, HellsPriest.6745 said:

Wrong. I've ran with groups where the RNG is at its max and still beat it with several minutes left...if you push the dragon into the next phase fast enough with dps and doing the right things at the right times...you don't allow it to RNG as much.

 

Also a reply to others, "I will play the game how I want to". Nobody ever said you should not play the game how you want to.

 

Play the game HOWEVER you feel fit, but don't then whine that you don't get something for free because you don't paricipate in this type of open world gameplay. What's next are we gonna whine about not being able to get Legendaries or Ascended because we don't want to grind or work for it? We just want it free, because costume wars? Come on, your style of gameplay shouldn't change how a meta runs...there are plenty of other easy metas for you to run...this all comes down to, people want their turtle for free without having to do absolutely anything for it.

This is another fallacy.  Did you get your EoD expansion for free?  Because I didn't, I chose to give Anet my hard earned cash for it, and that turtle was advertised huge on the splash page. Did you get 200 writs for free?  Cause I didn't, I worked doing map events to get those.  So don't make it out to be like people are logging in and getting a free turtle just for logging in.  Also I want to point out that I have played many many MMO's and every one that I personally have played mostly give you a basic mount at some level in the game, and if you want a fancy one you buy it from a cash shop and be on your merry way.  This is the only game I have ever played that makes you sell your soul for some mounts.  I get why they do it, and it's fine but don't talk about people getting a mount for free.  Even if they buy it with the writs that they earned they still have to do all the other events to completely unlock it.

[Minjin.8259]

12 minutes ago, HellsPriest.6745 said:

Wrong. I've ran with groups where the RNG is at its max and still beat it with several minutes left...if you push the dragon into the next phase fast enough with dps and doing the right things at the right times...you don't allow it to RNG as much.

 

Also a reply to others, "I will play the game how I want to". Nobody ever said you should not play the game how you want to.

 

Play the game HOWEVER you feel fit, but don't then whine that you don't get something for free because you don't paricipate in this type of open world gameplay. What's next are we gonna whine about not being able to get Legendaries or Ascended because we don't want to grind or work for it? We just want it free, because costume wars? Come on, your style of gameplay shouldn't change how a meta runs...there are plenty of other easy metas for you to run...this all comes down to, people want their turtle for free without having to do absolutely anything for it.

Also why are you assuming I am whining and not playing with the proper build?  I have gone with a super organized group, a comm that did everything right.  The players did everything pretty much right.  We had very few deaths, we had 2% left of her health.  We came back from the three way split with 2 mins left, we had plenty of time to kill her.  Everyone thought we had it.  But then she started flip flopping around the map like a fish out of water and we never got another break bar.  So don't tell me it's all about skill.  And don't accuse me of playing a certain way when you have no idea how I play.

[HellsPriest.6745]

2 minutes ago, Minjin.8259 said:

This is another fallacy.  Did you get your EoD expansion for free?  Because I didn't, I chose to give Anet my hard earned cash for it, and that turtle was advertised huge on the splash page. Did you get 200 writs for free?  Cause I didn't, I worked doing map events to get those.  So don't make it out to be like people are logging in and getting a free turtle just for logging in.  Also I want to point out that I have played many many MMO's and every one that I personally have played mostly give you a basic mount at some level in the game, and if you want a fancy one you buy it from a cash shop and be on your merry way.  This is the only game I have ever played that makes you sell your soul for some mounts.  I get why they do it, and it's fine but don't talk about people getting a mount for free.  Even if they buy it with the writs that they earned they still have to do all the other events to completely unlock it.

You didn't pay for the Turtle. Think of it like anything else in life. You may have paid to enter the park, but you need to get on the ride and hope for a positive outcome. You paid to get into the tournament but you aren't guaranteed to win. You paid for the food, doesn't mean you'll get the result you wanted. They did NOT ever tell you would you just GET A FREE Turtle for buying the game. They advertised that EOD gives you the opportunity to work towards getting an awesome thing like a turtle mount.

 

200 writs is a joke haha. You get them from running around randomly doing events, and can be done without much effort at all. Let's not pretend it is some hard or even slightly time rendering achievement. If you want a basic mount, go play Path of Fire and get your Raptor mount for practically doing nothing.

 

Sell your soul for mounts? Outside of Griffon and Skyscale, literally every other mount takes less than a day to achieve. Warclaw(run around wvw for an hr), Roller Beetle(do an easy collection and an easy meta), jackal(do an easy quest type collection), skimmer(meta/story collection), springer(story collection), raptor(story)...all easy. Don't be dramatic lol. Also, I'm glad this game makes you do things to get things...not just another lame MMO that gives you things for free, if they are what you enjoy....go play them.

[Metricos.5617]

5 minutes ago, Minjin.8259 said:

This is another fallacy.  Did you get your EoD expansion for free?  Because I didn't, I chose to give Anet my hard earned cash for it, and that turtle was advertised huge on the splash page. Did you get 200 writs for free?  Cause I didn't, I worked doing map events to get those.  So don't make it out to be like people are logging in and getting a free turtle just for logging in.  Also I want to point out that I have played many many MMO's and every one that I personally have played mostly give you a basic mount at some level in the game, and if you want a fancy one you buy it from a cash shop and be on your merry way.  This is the only game I have ever played that makes you sell your soul for some mounts.  I get why they do it, and it's fine but don't talk about people getting a mount for free.  Even if they buy it with the writs that they earned they still have to do all the other events to completely unlock it.

"Makes you sell your soul for some mounts"

Y'all have a weird, genuinely concerning relationship to the games you play.

Do not do things you don't enjoy. It is extremely weird to post about this stuff like someone's holding you hostage and forcing you to do it. There are dozens of items I could get if I buckled down and did the achievements/collections/crafting to get them, and I don't do it. Do you know why?

Because I didn't feel like it.

[HellsPriest.6745]

2 minutes ago, Minjin.8259 said:

Also why are you assuming I am whining and not playing with the proper build?  I have gone with a super organized group, a comm that did everything right.  The players did everything pretty much right.  We had very few deaths, we had 2% left of her health.  We came back from the three way split with 2 mins left, we had plenty of time to kill her.  Everyone thought we had it.  But then she started flip flopping around the map like a fish out of water and we never got another break bar.  So don't tell me it's all about skill.  And don't accuse me of playing a certain way when you have no idea how I play.

I'm willing to run with your groups and I can probably point out what is going wrong. It already sounds like the dps wa

 

Just now, Metricos.5617 said:

"Makes you sell your soul for some mounts"

Y'all have a weird, genuinely concerning relationship to the games you play.

Do not do things you don't enjoy. It is extremely weird to post about this stuff like someone's holding you hostage and forcing you to do it. There are dozens of items I could get if I buckled down and did the achievements/collections/crafting to get them, and I don't do it. Do you know why?

Because I didn't feel like it.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

 

Nobody is forcing anyone to get these items. Next people are gonna cry over gen3 Legendaries and force them to nerf those because "we want pretty weapons for just...having them".

 

THANK YOU!

[Minjin.8259]

2 minutes ago, Metricos.5617 said:

"Makes you sell your soul for some mounts"

Y'all have a weird, genuinely concerning relationship to the games you play.

Do not do things you don't enjoy. It is extremely weird to post about this stuff like someone's holding you hostage and forcing you to do it. There are dozens of items I could get if I buckled down and did the achievements/collections/crafting to get them, and I don't do it. Do you know why?

Because I didn't feel like it.

Sure, but they weren't advertised in a large artfully made splash page either.  Come on lots of people really wanted the turtle because it was an advertising point for the expansion.  Also I don't have a weird relationship with games, I was being sarcastic.  I don't know a single game that makes you spend weeks to get a flying mount.  I am sure there are some, but among the many games I have played they never did that.  I even played an MMO that was literally all about getting mounts and even getting the hardest one in the game might take you 2-3 tries but the encounter to get it didn't last more than a few minutes.

[Gibson.4036]

13 hours ago, HellsPriest.6745 said:

The overall point I'm trying to make is, so many people whined and complained and now can simply buy the Turtle Egg from a vendor soon...for what? So you can run around and say you did practically nothing for it? There is no fun in that at all to me.

 

So we can have fun using it.

See, no one complained that they were handed a raptor in the very first instance of PoF, because the raptor wasn't about running around and showing everone you have a lot of free time to spend on a video game. That's what legendaries are for. The raptor was a tool to enjoy the game in a new way. The same for springer, skimmer, and jackal. These were expansion defining mounts.

The skyscale was a living world bonus mount. People for years have been calling the skyscale the "legendary mount". It's for those interested in going the extra mile for something flashy. The griffon was a hidden mount at the end of PoF with a high price tag because it's the mount Ferrari.

It's telling that most of the conversation keeps comparing to those two. People don't compare this to the four "on the box" mounts for PoF.

Edited March 11, 2022 by Gibson.4036

[HellsPriest.6745]

Just now, Gibson.4036 said:

So we can have fun using it.

See, no one complained that they were handed a raptor in the very first instance of PoF, because the raptor wasn't about running around and showing everone you're you have a lot of free time to spend on a video game. That's what legendaries are for. The raptor was a tool to enjoy the game in a new way. The same for springer, skimmer, and jackal. These were expansion defining mounts.

The skyscale was a living world bonus mount. People for years have been calling the skyscale the "legendary mount". It's for those interested in going the extra mile for something flashy. The griffon was a hidden mount at the end of PoF with a high price tag because it's the mount Ferrari.

It's telling that most of the conversation keeps comparing to those two. People don't compare this to the four "on the box" mounts for PoF.

Good points you have. But isn't that the point of the Turtle and the new expansion? A new thing, a new outlook instead of the same old ways? A mount that is earned, vs all the other mounts which really aren't that hard to obtain? I mean to be quite honest...the turtle isn't really a mount that does much for the player anyways outside of looking cool, so to me it goes along with "hey look what I finally got after trying to slay this hard freaking dragon for so long" haha. 

[Metricos.5617]

Just now, Minjin.8259 said:

Sure, but they weren't advertised in a large artfully made splash page either.  Come on lots of people really wanted the turtle because it was an advertising point for the expansion.  Also I don't have a weird relationship with games, I was being sarcastic.  I don't know a single game that makes you spend weeks to get a flying mount.  I am sure there are some, but among the many games I have played they never did that.  I even played an MMO that was literally all about getting mounts and even getting the hardest one in the game might take you 2-3 tries but the encounter to get it didn't last more than a few minutes.

Then it sounds like you have a fairly narrow idea of games as service. These things are made so you can spend time in them. They're made with lots of different goals with different time requirements. That turtle is not intended to be snatched up instantly, or they'd just have it be part of the storyline. Just like the griffon. Just like the skyscale. Just like legendary armor or weapons or gobblers or any other million things in this or other games. It is Extremely Weird to post about these Entirely Optional, Long Term Goals as though someone has you under threat.

[HellsPriest.6745]

5 minutes ago, Minjin.8259 said:

Sure, but they weren't advertised in a large artfully made splash page either.  Come on lots of people really wanted the turtle because it was an advertising point for the expansion.  Also I don't have a weird relationship with games, I was being sarcastic.  I don't know a single game that makes you spend weeks to get a flying mount.  I am sure there are some, but among the many games I have played they never did that.  I even played an MMO that was literally all about getting mounts and even getting the hardest one in the game might take you 2-3 tries but the encounter to get it didn't last more than a few minutes.

So you keep pointing out great qualities to this game, that others don't have. You are literally telling us that those games are so easy and boring cause you can just BUY or get stuff...where here you have to play the game. That's why GW2 is better...if you like free stuff, go play those games. Don't try to change this game cause of past MMO's you played, had elementary tactics to getting things.

 

I'd rather play a game with quality content and takes time to get stuff so I feel like even though all time in a video game is wasted, I still I vested into a game that provides content worthy.

[Gibson.4036]

15 minutes ago, HellsPriest.6745 said:

 

Nobody is forcing anyone to get these items. Next people are gonna cry over gen3 Legendaries and force them to nerf those because "we want pretty weapons for just...having them".

 

Come on. Legendaries from the beginning have been the "grind this out for a long time and great expense". Anyone who's played the game for any length of time knows that, and shouldn't expect different, even though ArenaNet dropped a precursor on our heads to keep us playing old content while they got EoD together.

Expansion defining, on the box, selling point mounts, however, took doing a heart and some gold to by a saddle and you were good to go. That's why this feels abrupt.  Given the history of the game, there was every reason to expect that we were going to get the turtle helping out some nice hatchery and then have actual content created for it to be used where we could level up its masteries until it reached its full usefulness.

ArenaNet was amazing at designing mounts and integrating them. It's really sad to see them hype one up as a major selling point of an expansion, then throw it on the end after you've journeyed through all the zones and finished the story like it was some glowy weapon skin to try and entice people into "challenging endgame content".

Edited March 11, 2022 by Gibson.4036

[Gibson.4036]

5 minutes ago, HellsPriest.6745 said:

The point is, the whiners won...they get the nerf of a running around claiming they beat something when they didn't and will have the mount they "paid for"...apparently?

 

Point is, watch how fast this meta dies after everyone is done with their story/achievements in the map. I guarantee this the case.

It would have died anyway. One significant reward you only need to earn one time was never going to be enough to keep the meta alive.

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4 minutes ago, Gibson.4036 said:

It would have died anyway. One significant reward you only need to earn one time was never going to be enough to keep the meta alive.

I'm not entirely in disagreement with that, but I'm still fighting for the one thing at least keeping it semi alive at the moment.