Animism.7530 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 40 minutes ago, Eugchriss.2046 said: Btw you just prove why this kind of discussions are important: An evade is not NECESSARILY a dodge but a dodge IS an evade. A planet is not necessarily earth but earth IS a planet. Btw that's what my comment says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutesySylveon.8290 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 7:52 AM, agrippastrilemma.8741 said: No, dist is to be compared to guard f3 Not even close unless you're talking Virtuoso. Distortion is literally an 'I can't die' button and is the single most powerful effect in the game. Courage is strong, but there is literally nothing more powerful than Distortion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 6 hours ago, CutesySylveon.8290 said: Not even close unless you're talking Virtuoso. Distortion is literally an 'I can't die' button and is the single most powerful effect in the game. Courage is strong, but there is literally nothing more powerful than Distortion. That's not the point, Dist is a defensive profession skill that is reset with SoI, Courage is a defensive profession mechanic that is reset with RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutesySylveon.8290 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 2:32 PM, agrippastrilemma.8741 said: That's not the point, Dist is a defensive profession skill that is reset with SoI, Courage is a defensive profession mechanic that is reset with RF. They're obviously not the exact same skill. As I said RF has the invuln attached to it while Illusion signet resets an F4 invuln, so they function largely the same but one has significantly more value and is a utility slot instead of an elite. Also, if you want to compare Courage to Distortion....yeah, that's the easiest win for Distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, CutesySylveon.8290 said: They're obviously not the exact same skill. As I said RF has the invuln attached to it while Illusion signet resets an F4 invuln, so they function largely the same but one has significantly more value and is a utility slot instead of an elite. Also, if you want to compare Courage to Distortion....yeah, that's the easiest win for Distortion. It doesn't have significantly more value than RF and also utilities are often better than elites. Imagine if I could have a 2nd blink as my elite skill, that would be insane. Edited November 17, 2022 by agrippastrilemma.8741 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, agrippastrilemma.8741 said: It doesn't have significantly more value than RF and also utilities are often better than elites. Imagine if I could have a 2nd blink as my elite skill, that would be insane. imagine having a second gravitywell as your utility skill, that would be insane. Edited November 17, 2022 by Sahne.6950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said: imagine having a second gravitywell as your utility skill, that would be insane. Grav well is good but I would take blink over it any day. Also, look at shorts, he doesn't take Signet of Illusions on either condi Chrono or power Chrono - perhaps it has less value than you give it credit for. RF on the other hand is used on pretty much every guard build. Edited November 17, 2022 by agrippastrilemma.8741 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 41 minutes ago, agrippastrilemma.8741 said: Grav well is good but I would take blink over it any day. Also, look at shorts, he doesn't take Signet of Illusions on either condi Chrono or power Chrono - perhaps it has less value than you give it credit for. RF on the other hand is used on pretty much every guard build. Name 1 good Elite skill that guardian has, besides RF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: Name 1 good Elite skill that guardian has, besides RF Try to play guard without RF and see what happens 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: Name 1 good Elite skill that guardian has, besides RF 5 hours ago, agrippastrilemma.8741 said: Try to play guard without RF and see what happens "Sir, theyre the same picture" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: "Sir, theyre the same picture" Nope, on many classes you can play without the elite just fine (Virtuoso is a prime example), on Guard this isn't really viable -> rf is very important. That said the point of my argument isn't to say RF is super strong or anything, just pointing out that saying "Siget of Illusion should be an elite skill with the same cooldown as RF" is a bad line of argument. Edited November 18, 2022 by agrippastrilemma.8741 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: "Sir, theyre the same picture" This guy gets it. ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) You guys know what? Guard used to have revelant elites, but they were all nerfed. Edit: For example "Feel My Wrath!" used to give better Quickness uptime and Quickness affected revives. It lost even more value with removal of concentration (boon duration) Amulets from sPvP. There was point in time support Guardians and hammer Guardians would take FMW! over RF. They really should focus on making all Elite skills viable choices for all classes. Edited November 19, 2022 by Morwath.9817 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Durak.2830 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 10/18/2022 at 3:57 AM, Terrorhuz.4695 said: IDK, just a small tip. Because that's the whole point of immobilize, you know. Is this Ranger immobilize? You can't move. Everyone else, you can lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: This guy gets it. ❤️ Literally objectively incorrect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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