King Slayer.9671 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Hello everyone, I want to be really good with Mirage in PvP ranked. What builds do you recommend? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suyheuti.1732 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Dont play mirage in any gamemode. Mirage is like abandonded stepson of the anet currently. 5 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munz.6513 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Totally agree, just started ply for 2 weeks, not as strong as expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoXander.2798 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 disagreed. i still play it and its still good almost anywhere. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suyheuti.1732 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, LeoXander.2798 said: disagreed. i still play it and its still good almost anywhere. Maybe you cant count me as expert. Maybe I’m not. Have you checked SnowCrows discord lately? Even mesmer experts over there dont even suggest to play mirage. None of them 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoXander.2798 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Suyheuti.1732 said: Maybe you cant count me as expert. Maybe I’m not. Have you checked SnowCrows discord lately? Even mesmer experts over there dont even suggest to play mirage. None of them what snowcrows "recommend" is on pretty high end. if they dont recommend something, it means its not super great anymore. but it can still remain great. im a mirage main and im playing it all the time. its not below average. it has a hard gameplay style and you just have to play it a lot to be actually great at it im afraid. not to brag, but i outdps the majority of the pugs. anyways, sorry we digress. this isnt the topic to discuss here.@King Slayer.9671 check guildjen.com, they got guides for pvp Edited July 21, 2023 by LeoXander.2798 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Mirage is decent but there are better alternatives. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald McDonald.8165 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Suyheuti.1732 said: Maybe you cant count me as expert. Maybe I’m not. Have you checked SnowCrows discord lately? Even mesmer experts over there dont even suggest to play mirage. None of them Snowcrows is a website for PvE, specifically raids. So you're right, you're not an expert. So I don't know why you feel like you should tell people misinformation. The OP is asking about PvP. Power Mirage is in a decent spot right now. Dom 113, Dueling 113, Mirage 111 is what I am playing. Zerker and swapping between Lynx/Divinity/Eagle 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightara.1804 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 19 hours ago, LeoXander.2798 said: what snowcrows "recommend" is on pretty high end. if they dont recommend something, it means its not super great anymore. but it can still remain great. im a mirage main and im playing it all the time. its not below average. it has a hard gameplay style and you just have to play it a lot to be actually great at it im afraid. not to brag, but i outdps the majority of the pugs. anyways, sorry we digress. this isnt the topic to discuss here.@King Slayer.9671 check guildjen.com, they got guides for pvp I know this is going on a tangent bc the main topic was PvP, but SC is not exclusively "pretty high-end". They have a whole section dedicated to beginner builds, their builds range from fairly simple to exceedingly complex. Yes, they are optimizing everything the best they can, but that does not mean that their verdict on the current state of PvE only applies to high-end players. I agree with your point of "not recommended = not super great", but SC has more than just the "recommended" category for their builds. Staff Mirage was outright retired on their website, as it is probably the worst Alac build in the game right now. Hell, even Power Alac Renegade is probably stronger atm, and that stuff hasn't been touched for years. And sorry to break it to you, but Axe Mirage is in fact below average. I absolutely believe you when you say you still outdps most pugs, but I outdps most pugs on my (Post-nerf) Quickness Deadeye. It's not about outdpsing pugs, it's about "Would you have significantly more DPS if you put a comparable amount of effort into a different class / build?". And for that question, the answer for Axe Mirage is definitely "Yes". And that's the problem. A pure DPS spec (Bc let's face it, Staff Mirage is absolutely useless atm) with a relatively hard rotation should not be outperformed that much by every other DPS build (And even some support builds) in the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 20 hours ago, LeoXander.2798 said: @King Slayer.9671 check guildjen.com, they got guides for pvp That's your first mistake. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoXander.2798 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 @Nightara.1804 you judge a spec if it is bad or not based on its damage and what it can provide. not its difficulty. thats like saying weaver is below average because, by your logic, the answer of "Would you have significantly more DPS if you put a comparable amount of effort into a different class / build?" would be yes. axe mirage is NOT below average. it has around 40.5k bench without active confusion. @Sleepwalker.1398why is guildjen a mistake? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, LeoXander.2798 said: @Sleepwalker.1398why is guildjen a mistake? All cherry picked fights. 80% builds are all cele. Then you see clips like these. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) On 7/21/2023 at 10:00 PM, Suyheuti.1732 said: Maybe you cant count me as expert. Maybe I’m not. Have you checked SnowCrows discord lately? Even mesmer experts over there dont even suggest to play mirage. None of them The new weapons should fix that for Mirage. It will probably turn you into a teleporting Dagger Sniper. The real problem with Mirage is your best weapon forces you to roll through your enemy with Axe 2. This puts you on the other side of bosses or into an AoE in PvP. Other options are less appealing with Greatsword Ambush doing Zero damage and Staff Ambush has been repeatedly nerfed. Edited July 27, 2023 by Mell.4873 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.7638 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Only thing I agree with are the numerous staff nerfs. And until they added alac to it the nerfs had nothing todo with pve. You all been playing a dead build for three years thinking it was good… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.7638 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Well despite the confusion face, staff died long before alac was added. Along with most mirage ult and nerfs to cds on everything. Mirage today has nothing in common with the mirage of pof release. But yes keep bitching about pve benchmarks and what not, kitten never mattered anyhow, besides raids and cm, very ego driven and elitist community I don’t take part in. But thanks any ways for the confusion face, just shows how little you know. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronmy.3298 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 2 hours ago, dead.7638 said: Well despite the confusion face, staff died long before alac was added. Along with most mirage ult and nerfs to cds on everything. Mirage today has nothing in common with the mirage of pof release. But yes keep bitching about pve benchmarks and what not, kitten never mattered anyhow, besides raids and cm, very ego driven and elitist community I don’t take part in. But thanks any ways for the confusion face, just shows how little you know. Axe mirage benchmarks are not even impressive.Condi Virt should be doing around 30k dps on golem if we are going to be honest. What's the difference on Cvirt and prenerf Power Rifle Mechanist? Simple press anything rotations. If they hated so much Mech for doing ok damage with your brain turned off, Cvirt should have the same treatment. And they have it so easy, reduce the 100% bleed chance on crit to a lower %. And Anet seems to want for all mesmer players to play Virt and forget about the other 2 specs so let's destroy the other 2 that are pretty unique for our own copycat of a WoW Frost mage that has no flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.7638 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I’m not sure why you quoted me, was talking about staff mirage. Axe was one of the first nerfs over five years ago. Again, why this build is on life support is just cruel at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.7638 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Was a time when staff was law when it came to any type of competitive fighting. It’s been gutted for a long kitten time. The alac gave it a second life and now that’s gutted as well. It’s a defensive wep set at best atm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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