Linken.6345 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Zzik.5873 said: And? I dont care about number, it still just a necro staff with extra step. Then it might be time to find another game even more so since your so hung up on the 6th tier golem rune effect bud. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 17 minutes ago, Linken.6345 said: Then it might be time to find another game even more so since your so hung up on the 6th tier golem rune effect bud. Yeah, possibly, just waiting to see the full soto content before making my choice. It feal weird to think this tho. Gw2 has always been my favorite game till fiew month after eod, just when they start to nuke couple of unique and gimmick gameplay. Im still hoping, that I can fall back in love with the game. But that said, Im ready to move on, its weird. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroho.4738 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zzik.5873 said: Gameplay aint going to change They did in previous beta tests. In the past they indeed changed gameplay after a beta test when necessary. They also do that with balance patches. Edited January 22 by kiroho.4738 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann.1946 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/19/2024 at 7:15 PM, Zzik.5873 said: It still go against what theirs consumer want at the end of the day tho. Nobody wanted less rune effect. Even the nitch one. Anet is a compagny that want to make money. They need to do what their consumer want and they need to show respect toward their consumer. Taking aways favorite rune effect is not a good pr move. They should have known. They took away something some consumers wanted, we have no idea how many wanted it removed though. And it's entirely possible that these runes where blocking other potential cooler rune effects. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/20/2024 at 5:31 AM, kiroho.4738 said: Money is barely a motivator for how Anet makes their game. It influences gemstore stuff, but that's it. Not combat/gameplay stuff. 😂 (hint: E-specs are monetary and directly relate to combat/gameplay) On 1/17/2024 at 7:02 AM, kiroho.4738 said: They changed ranger sword, because too few people used it. Ironic. And yes, you can still play that playstyle. If you don't know the class, it's a you problem. Spoiler 😂 I have nothing else to add, except they most likely took away rune effects because they have an internal standard they want to stick to. If they just bring them back for memes then they have to maintain them for memes...I don't think it makes a ton of sense to do that. They do need to make relics have some more flair though--we have fireworks, stuff like that. Just effects so that it looks cool and also you know what your enemy has if you are playing competitive by just looking at it. Edited January 22 by Gotejjeken.1267 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroho.4738 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: hint: E-specs are monetary and directly relate to combat/gameplay Especs are part of expansions. If they created especs for money, they would have sold them in gemshop. But they added them to expansions, their lowest income source. 18 minutes ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: I have nothing else to add, except they most likely took away rune effects because they have an internal standard they want to stick to. If they just bring them back for memes then they have to maintain them for memes...I don't think it makes a ton of sense to do that. They do need to make relics have some more flair though--we have fireworks, stuff like that. Just effects so that it looks cool and also you know what your enemy has if you are playing competitive by just looking at it. What does that have to do with my sentence about ranger sword you quoted?... When you have nothing to add, then just don't add anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karissa.9035 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I think they should add all the summoning abilities back in glyphs, I miss my little necromancer minion that summoned whenever I got hurt also I think they should not be legendary. They made gw2 a bit more boring than it used to be. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, kiroho.4738 said: Especs are part of expansions. If they created especs for money, they would have sold them in gemshop. They are in the gem shop lol: Gem Store - Guild Wars 2 Wiki (GW2W) Look under upgrades. Also, what I wanted to add about sword turned out to be pretty disparaging so that's why I left it at 😂. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: They are in the gem shop lol: Gem Store - Guild Wars 2 Wiki (GW2W) Look under upgrades. Also, what I wanted to add about sword turned out to be pretty disparaging so that's why I left it at 😂. Elite Specializations are not listed in the upgrades section of the link you provided. Did you mean somewhere else? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Ashen.2907 said: Elite Specializations are not listed in the upgrades section of the link you provided. Did you mean somewhere else? Maybe that post was referring to the deluxe upgrades of the expansions, mistaking them for the expansions themselves. If the expansions were on the gem store, elite specialisations would automatically be there, too. Edited January 22 by Fueki.4753 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Fueki.4753 said: Maybe that post was referring to the deluxe upgrades of the expansions, mistaking them for the expansions themselves. If the expansions were on the gem store, elite specialisations would automatically be there, too. Good call. He may not realize that the deluxe upgrade is not the expansion but rather the various extras. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/21/2024 at 5:08 AM, zeyeti.8347 said: Your point is understandable , especially with the fact that relics are tied to a character and not account wide , i suppose anet made it that way to emphasis ppl in the fact they will need the leg relic for ultimate convenience , and not knowing what is needed make ppl farm what they guess will be needed . but the wine comparison you did is a bit too harsh , i will simply say it's not the same brand of whine you asked for and is randomly better or worse than the one you asked for 😁. My point was more in reference to the comment that the system will age like wine, getting better over time. If I have to wait for it to get to the point that I would be inclined to drink it then I am not a happy customer. Besides, I like grapes, just not as a beverage to accompany my meal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Ashen.2907 said: Good call. He may not realize that the deluxe upgrade is not the expansion but rather the various extras. Why all the swirling around the drain though? They sell expansions, which means they sell elite specs--for money. My post was in response to: 15 hours ago, kiroho.4738 said: If they created especs for money, they would have sold them in gemshop. If they didn't create the e-specs for money, they'd be unlockable in-game with no extra purchase required. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: Why all the swirling around the drain though? They sell expansions, which means they sell elite specs--for money. My post was in response to: If they didn't create the e-specs for money, they'd be unlockable in-game with no extra purchase required. You said they were sold in the gem store, posted a link, and stated where within the link the item could be found. None of that was accurate or at all true. And, yes, there has been a history of especs being overtuned, especially at expansion launch, in order to drive sales of the expacs in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Ashen.2907 said: You said they were sold in the gem store, posted a link, and stated where within the link the item could be found. None of that was accurate or at all true. And, yes, there has been a history of especs being overtuned, especially at expansion launch, in order to drive sales of the expacs in my opinion. It's technically correct though? The upgrades themselves (from standard) are sold in the gemstore--the expansion you can also purchase through the same UI but with actual money. Both can be bought in-game, through the game UI. I just posted the wiki link to show gems can indeed be used as part of the upgrade process, but forgot the forums loves to be pedantic. Anway, to loop this back around, the relics are just as much of a pay process as everything else--there are certain relics only available to SoTO owners, and those directly affect combat. My main point was It's facetious to say monetary items are only cosmetic. Edited January 23 by Gotejjeken.1267 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: It's technically correct though? The upgrades themselves (from standard) are sold in the gemstore--the expansion you can also purchase through the same UI but with actual money. Both can be bought in-game, through the game UI. It's not though. Just sharing the same UI doesn't mean they are the same shop. You can compare it to a mall. A mall is a building with many stores in it. Are these stores the same, just because they share a building? no. The same applies here. The UI is the building and the gem shop and real money shop are the different stores in it. Edited January 23 by Fueki.4753 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Fueki.4753 said: It's not though. Just sharing the same UI doesn't mean they are the same shop. You can compare it to a mall. A mall is a building with many stores in it. Are these stores the same, just because they share a building? no. The same applies here. The UI is the building and the gem shop and real money shop are the different stores in it. It all goes to the mall, bro. Stores pay lot rent just to exist there; also, different stores have different owners--are you really saying that the gem shop and the backend credit card system are different owners? 😂. Also, since we're going down the pedantic road--the UI isn't a building, it's the facade. The building is the database, where all the cash transactions are stored albeit gems or your credit card. Edited January 23 by Gotejjeken.1267 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroho.4738 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: They are in the gem shop lol: Gem Store - Guild Wars 2 Wiki (GW2W) Look under upgrades. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store#Upgrades They are not... Or do you consider the Aviator Quaggan Mail Carrier an Elite Specialization? 😉 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroho.4738 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: If they didn't create the e-specs for money, they'd be unlockable in-game with no extra purchase required. Wow, that's the biggest nonesense I heared in a while. Well, except your claim about Elite Specs being available in gemshop. 🤡 Haven't you read what I wrote before about monetization? You argue it's about money, because they put especs into expansion. If you read what I wrote before, then you would have known that not even their expansions are about money. If they were, Anet had choosen a different monetization model such as subscriptions or freemium, like most other MMOs. Please, read properly. I don't want to repeat myself again. Edited January 23 by kiroho.4738 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 You know anet is a business right? Whats the point of a business? To make money right, so anet is making gw2 to make money... I mean all game compagny only exist to make money that simple. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 hours ago, kiroho.4738 said: Haven't you read what I wrote before about monetization? You argue it's about money, because they put especs into expansion. If you read what I wrote before, then you would have known that not even their expansions are about money. If they were, Anet had choosen a different monetization model such as subscriptions or freemium, like most other MMOs. Please, read properly. I don't want to repeat myself again. You really think anet is a charity...well, I can't change your mind. The confidence is nice too--perhaps they will open a food bank too, who knows. Anyway, as sort of a last on this for me...some things to consider for you are, B2P models make a lot of money, and most profitable MMOs are now F2P which...oh yeah, part of GW2 is too. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroho.4738 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 12 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: You really think anet is a charity...well, I can't change your mind. The world isn't either black or white dude. There is more than either charity or all about money... 12 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: and most profitable MMOs are now F2P which...oh yeah, part of GW2 is too. 1) Only the base game is f2p, that kind of "free demo" is normal for non f2p games. 2) The most profitable ones are freemium and p2w games, not truly f2p games. Big difference. I suggest you to google it. 16 hours ago, Zzik.5873 said: I mean all game compagny only exist to make money that simple. It's like saying all musicians only exist to make money and all artists only exists to make money. Believe it or not, when it comes to art making money is not the only thing that's important. You can easily see if a game is only about making money by it's monetization model and design. Take Genshin Impact for example, the whole game -> characters, artifacts, weapons, even leveling is designed make people spend money. Everything and everything's little brother are Fomo. If GW2 "only exists to make money", Anet wouldn't have choosen a monetization model that limits themself so heavily only to give players as much financially freedom as possible. No, it's not "that simple". 🙂 Edited January 24 by kiroho.4738 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, kiroho.4738 said: The world isn't either black or white dude. There is more than either charity or all about money... Not in the corporate world. 6 minutes ago, kiroho.4738 said: 2) The most profitable ones are freemium and p2w games, not truly f2p games. Big difference. I suggest you to google it. My bro/sis in Christ, GW2 is freemium. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroho.4738 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: Not in the corporate world. If it makes you happy, keep thinking that. 😉 5 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: My bro/sis in Christ, GW2 is freemium Okay, apparently you have absolutely no idea what freemium means... Would you like to explain what you think freemium stands for and how it is related to GW2? This way we can isolate the misunderstanding. Edited January 24 by kiroho.4738 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, kiroho.4738 said: The world isn't either black or white dude. There is more than either charity or all about money... 1) Only the base game is f2p, that kind of "free demo" is normal for non f2p games. 2) The most profitable ones are freemium and p2w games, not truly f2p games. Big difference. I suggest you to google it. It's like saying all musicians only exist to make money and all artists only exists to make money. Believe it or not, when it comes to art making money is not the only thing that's important. You can easily see if a game is only about making money by it's monetization model and design. Take Genshin Impact for example, the whole game -> characters, artifacts, weapons, even leveling is designed make people spend money. Everything and everything's little brother are Fomo. If GW2 "only exists to make money", Anet wouldn't have choosen a monetization model that limits themself so heavily only to give players as much financially freedom as possible. No, it's not "that simple". 🙂 I get what you mean but arenannet is still a compagny, and they still want to make money. As you said everything is not black amd white, arenanet is clearly not the greediest compagny ever, thats true. But at the end of the day, they sell a product to make money. They may love their product, they may respect theirs customer but thats does not change the fact that they are a business and want money. Anyway, all that to say, anet you want my money? I want my golem back. 😉 Edited January 24 by Zzik.5873 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts