A New PvP Mode is Coming to Guild Wars 2--We Need Your Help Developing It!

Myror.7521 · September 11

yea my Feedback would be that it feels realy good. Tho peops have yet not finding out the best combs and it feels like a Clown viesta more or less^^.

Also staying just in the Point feels a bit too rewarding and easy to do please think about making that one harder by idk debuffs (get more dmg while stay in the point or something like that )just staying in the circle or something ^~^

Edited September 11 by Myror.7521

Firebaall.5127 · September 11

4 minutes ago, Myror.7521 said:

Also staying just in the Point feels a bit too rewarding and easy to do please think about making that one harder by idk debuffs (get more dmg while stay in the point or something like that )just staying in the circle or something ^~^

I'd be on board with the moving point stripping boons...

Zayek.3872 · September 11

What I like :
-New mode that force cooperation and makes the point very obvious without having to read through a little wall of text like Conquest, good for newcomers
-Frequent, almost non-stop action
-The finish line position icentivizes the team to coordinate and get a full team wipe to get a proper finish
-Feels more fluid and "continuous" than Conquest
-Idk man, Payload format is just inherently fun (useful feedback I know)

What I think should change :
-Stop Listing the mode under "Competitive Deathmatch". I almost didnt play the beta because I thought it wasn't on, in the end. What I mean by that is that to get proper attention, it must lose the Competitive name, and the Deathmatch name. Make it visible, make it its own thing. Guildmate yesterday thought I was trolling him and wanted to drag him into a ranked 2v2.
It was said in Patch Notes that this is where the mode is. Most people don't read them.
-Limit team comp to one character per class. This one is probably very tricky from a dev and matchmaking standpoint, but I assure you I can ruin this mode for everyone by queuing with my mate with two perma-stun warriors. I'm sure players have already thought about other, much worse nightmare duos for it.
-Stunlocks are even more of a problem in a constant-fight mode. You could introduce a unique/passive buff to this map that makes each consecutive hard CC received shorter than the previous one, until they are ineffective for a period of time. Same for condi spam. It could take the form of one of the arena buffs that appear during the game, but I think it being a default buff would work better.
-Your new mode should be advertised better; I know about Fractal Rush directly in game. I dont care about fractal Rush, I care about PvP. Yet I didnt receive any in-game information. If people (especially non-PvPers) have to seek the information out of the game, I assure you not many will bother.
-Please change the name eventually. Conquest and Stronghold have an identity, as mode names. Some character. Push is too generic. Some suggestions :
-Onslaught, Escort, Caravan, Expedition, Siege or Siegebreaker (we got sontrghold and conquest, it fits with these and you could theme the maps around historical sieges maybe ?)
feedback over

Oh man. Through the better part of a decade(or more ?) we didnt even get a new map for Conquest. I'd have settled for a current-expansion themed retexture of one or two maps even, but nothing. Of course I was excited when I hear a new mode's coming. Not because of the mode itself, but the thought that maybe, finally, PvP is gonna get some attention. I really hope this goes beyond this new mode.
The PvP community being what it is, of course it's a doomfest up in this topic. Good luck and much strength to the Dev Team, it must be exhausting reading through that.

Overall I like the idea of the mode and am hyped as to what it could become. I'm even more hyped for it to mean that finally PvP will see some actual new content. Good luck to the dev team and thank you, take care. ❤️

Edited September 11 by Zayek.3872
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fuzzyp.6295 · September 11

I played a few matches. So far, I like the mode. It needs some work, but its a very nice change of pace.

I do think that boon-balling on the capture point is a bit too rewarding. Having it strip boons. reduce healing potency or deal some DoT while moving could be a good way to help peel players off and make it easier to flip. All the games I played, while fun, were basically a steam roll. Once one team got the push going, they basically were unstopable. Perhaps having there be a cool-down period when a check-point is reached to allow the losing team to regroup? If there isn't one already, I honestly didn't notice because of how quickly the match moved. But if maybe when the Payload reaches the first check point, it stalls for a minute, and you can allow for another mechanic to pop up on the map that gives boons or something to the team that captures it.

I also kind of feel like the time for matches might not work on this kind of map? Push or Attack/Defend maps tend to feel the best when there is back and forth, but the short duration of the match really doesn't allow for the losing team to really make a meaningful comeback. At best, the losing team can only stall at that final point. So perhaps add a mechanic where if the pushing team is failing to capture that last point, the payload will begin to slide back automatically giving some breathing room for the team on defense? Or perhaps flip the script on the Payload: while pushing into enemy areas, it debuffs you, but if you're on the losing side, pushing it back towards the middle of the map, it actually gives you a slight buff of some sort? Something to help break out from spawn and keep the game competitive.

I think another issue with balance comes from the fact you can't switch builds once the game starts. If you run into someone you're struggling to fight in Conquest, you can usually cap around them or do another activity on the map. But really since there is only one objective on Push, if your team doesn't have a good team comp, there is way less of a chance you'll make a comeback. Not saying we should allow builds to swap, but I do think that is one issue with the mode and its balance. This could also be addressed by adding extra things to do on the map.

I also would like to have more reason to roam around the map. It doesn't need to be major, but perhaps adding some vertical paths to allow some flanking, or perhaps a capture shrine that like, snaps the Payload back a few inches or something. I believe there is something like this on the map right now, but again all my matches were blow outs so not sure what it really did. I think this is probably on the table already though.

On an unrelated note, I would love to see this Push mechanic ported over to WvW... like a WvW instanced event that triggers ever 4 hours and players can queue up for. Red attacks Blue, Blue attacks Green and Green attacks Red. Could be a fun split between attacking/defending against the payload. And you can get away with having a longer period in a match up like this I think. Just a thought.

Overall: Good start! Work needs to be done but I think other than the boon-balling around the payload, most of my concerns can be addressed by just adding extra objectives on the map or something... Please don't give up on this though, we need more new content like this. It's so refreshing.

EDIT: Added a few more suggestions and fixed spelling 🙂

Edited September 11 by fuzzyp.6295

arazoth.7290 · September 11

1 hour ago, Myror.7521 said:

yea my Feedback would be that it feels realy good. Tho peops have yet not finding out the best combs and it feels like a Clown viesta more or less^^.

Also staying just in the Point feels a bit too rewarding and easy to do please think about making that one harder by idk debuffs (get more dmg while stay in the point or something like that )just staying in the circle or something ^~^

Jup that's why I suggested the following more too ==>

My conclusion:

=> solution:

1) make the buffs more meaningfull this way ppl who are less good at teamfight can contribute/help greatly too.

2) If ppl stand in the moving node they gain even more incoming damage/less selfheal/less outgoing heal/less outgoing damage.

3) add trebuchette in the game.

For this game mode it will work. And newer players who don't know well enough to teamfight can use treb and have meaningfull impact.

arazoth.7290 · September 11

2 hours ago, Last Crab.6054 said:

nah, if you haven't been bothered to reach 20 on pvp level, then opinion isnt relevant for this game

My coffee just kicked in and I read it before meant on me instead of others 😅

~~???? bruh I have 229, add 209 ontop of that 😂, you better sshh then "trying" to insult me with the weirdest comment till now I have received~~ 😂