What's the Status on JQ conspiracy

[radiantbliss.6875]

Guilds may not make population, but they do carry organization and structure for militia to follow and adjust to.

FYI, that you want to call it BG propaganda because it doesn't fit what you want to believe is asinine. XTD isn't calling for a closing of the thread, only anticipating it because it's turning into a matchup thread. We can tell you all day long what our q times are, how many commanders, militia, guilds, whatever, but at the end of the day JQ wants to blame anyone but themselves for the state of things on their server. You can all blame BG if you want, and let's face it, you will because it's easier to blame BG for everything. But what you should be doing is logging into the game. Play. Have fun. Which is what XTD said and you ignored because GASP, you'd rather attack him as a BG player than entertain anything he has to say.

[DeWolfe.2174]

@X T D.6458 said:What does any part of my post have to do with BG?Pretty much everything you do is to promote your server. Which is fine, own it.

@Strider Pj.2193 said:And FYI, a screenshot of a moment in the queue list =\= actual population either.Actually yes, it shows the imbalances at the moment its taken.

@Strider Pj.2193 said:Imbalanced against JQ AND BG. Which means it really isn't unbalanced. Or, more accurately, it's not the whole picture. Which is what Anet has been saying.

This made no sense whatsoever. How is there a BG and JQ population equivalency? Also, have you not looked that BG has used that population to win every skirmish and achieved a 3.56 kdr earlier today?

[DeWolfe.2174]

@radiantbliss.6875 said:Guilds may not make population, but they do carry organization and structure for militia to follow and adjust to.

FYI, that you want to call it BG propaganda because it doesn't fit what you want to believe is asinine. XTD isn't calling for a closing of the thread, only anticipating it because it's turning into a matchup thread. We can tell you all day long what our q times are, how many commanders, militia, guilds, whatever, but at the end of the day JQ wants to blame anyone but themselves for the state of things on their server. You can all blame BG if you want, and let's face it, you will because it's easier to blame BG for everything. But what you should be doing is logging into the game. Play. Have fun. Which is what XTD said and you ignored because GASP, you'd rather attack him as a BG player than entertain anything he has to say.

Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

[henchmen.1856]

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

[Strider Pj.2193]

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@radiantbliss.6875 said:Guilds may not make population, but they do carry organization and structure for militia to follow and adjust to.

FYI, that you want to call it BG propaganda because it doesn't fit what you want to believe is asinine. XTD isn't calling for a closing of the thread, only anticipating it because it's turning into a matchup thread. We can tell you all day long what our q times are, how many commanders, militia, guilds, whatever, but at the end of the day JQ wants to blame anyone but themselves for the state of things on their server. You can all blame BG if you want, and let's face it, you will because it's easier to blame BG for everything. But what you should be doing is logging into the game. Play. Have fun. Which is what XTD said and you ignored because GASP, you'd rather attack him as a BG player than entertain anything he has to say.

Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

I don't think JQ is that far off. But you disagree. The play hours tell a different story. Don't use the last 4 weeks. Everyone knows those were bogus.

And this IS about BG. Or more importantly, that BG threshold which is where JQ is near, thus keeping BOTH servers closed.

[radiantbliss.6875]

@DeWolfe.2174 said:Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

You are making all kinds of incorrect assumptions. Stop drinking whatever koolaid you are drinking (I will say this every time we talk until you listen). It's not about advantage of BG. You honestly think we sit in a dark room cackling about how we can defeat all the servers and stay in t1? Want to know why BG came in here, because you were talking about BG. You don't want firsthand accounts about the server because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

[DeWolfe.2174]

@radiantbliss.6875 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

You are making all kinds of incorrect assumptions. Stop drinking whatever koolaid you are drinking (I will say this every time we talk until you listen). It's not about advantage of BG. You honestly think we sit in a dark room cackling about how we can defeat all the servers and stay in t1? Want to know why BG came in here, because you were talking about BG. You don't want firsthand accounts about the server because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

I'm posting screen shots from my BG account. So please, do tell us all what fits your reality?

@Strider Pj.2193 said:And this IS about BG. Or more importantly, that BG threshold which is where JQ is near, thus keeping BOTH servers closed.

I'm showing you JQ is no where near BG's population. Even with pre-blackout numbers you still deny the obvious.

[jialelin.2968]

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@"ThunderPanda.1872" said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

[DeWolfe.2174]

Btw Bliss, get off the siege in NE inner SMC

[radiantbliss.6875]

You go onto an alt on BG and still have no concept of BG numbers or community. Please, tell me how your alt knows more about BG than us that play every day.

[radiantbliss.6875]

@DeWolfe.2174 said:Btw Bliss, get off the siege in NE inner SMC

I'm not on siege. I'm afk in smc being a keyboard warrior on the forums. Get it right.

[IzaOkami.7361]

Yes, you are all right. BG is definitely in cahoots with ANET, I, the self proclaimed Hypemander of BG will tell you all of our dirty secrets.

Secret 1 : We rally our pugs.Secret 2: We don't run from fights 24/7.Secret 3: We don't give up at the first sign of trouble.Secret 4: We have dedicated people to do PPT.Secret 5: We are debbie downers like the rest of you guys and actually stay positive.The top 5 secrets. What? Want more? Gotcha.Secret 6: We are not invicible, just like the Empire in SW you can easily take us down with teamwork. We are human.Secret 7: If it truly took you this long to understand that BG is not in cahoots with ANET... well you have an issue.

[DeWolfe.2174]

@"jialelin.2968" said:come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

What is being asked for is the access and opportunity to have an equal population to BG. Every other world has access by either being open now or linked. JQ is the only world being manually denied access by the Dev's to earning an equal population. An equal population, not 70% of BG nor 80% of BG but, 100% equality. That is how a competition should be run.

[jialelin.2968]

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@"jialelin.2968" said:come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

What is being asked for is the access and opportunity to have an equal population to BG. Every other world has access by either being open now or linked. JQ is the only world being manually denied access by the Dev's to earning an equal population. An equal population, not 70% of BG nor 80% of BG but, 100% equality. That is how a competition should be run.

Confirm from @Anet ?plz dont challenge ARENANET" .

[DeadlySynz.3471]

@IzaOkami.7361 said:Yes, you are all right. BG is definitely in cahoots with ANET, I, the self proclaimed Hypemander of BG will tell you all of our dirty secrets.

Secret 1 : We rally our pugs.Secret 2: We don't run from fights 24/7.Secret 3: We don't give up at the first sign of trouble.Secret 4: We have dedicated people to do PPT.Secret 5: We are debbie downers like the rest of you guys and actually stay positive.The top 5 secrets. What? Want more? Gotcha.Secret 6: We are not invicible, just like the Empire in SW you can easily take us down with teamwork. We are human.Secret 7: If it truly took you this long to understand that BG is not in cahoots with ANET... well you have an issue.

Nah your not in cahoots. You were just allowed to exploit the system multiple times to over-inflate the population before Anet decided to put a stop to it screwing other servers. Which now technically means, every player who plays WvW regularly should be removed from BG 1 by 1 (starting from the last transfer and working their way down).

Removing say AC's from the game would go leaps in bounds in dealing with bg due to their tendency to hide behind them and refusal to come out and fight (unless the outnumber their opponent). Nothing much can be done about that aspect unless Anet closes a couple of maps down forcing a conglomeration of players onto 2 maps (which they should do anyway due to lack of people to fill).

One of the easiest ways is to simply deal with the population discrepancy is to shut down Desert BL and one of the Alpine's only allowing 2 maps.

[ThunderPanda.1872]

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@"ThunderPanda.1872" said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

[Zhuul.1759]

TC was lockbanned for ages after most Guilds left. There were like 5-10 people Groups forever and never got unlocked.Then Blobgate couldnt beat Maguuma for some time so they tanked down to T2 and Arenanet opened them 1 week later and had to open TC too.

Just a reminder of the power you have.

[jialelin.2968]

@"ThunderPanda.1872" said:

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

In Gw2 all SEA guild Members like 10~15Can you tell me which SEA Guild core members bigger then 15+????dont Excuse plz :/

[IzaOkami.7361]

Huh... weird. Last time I re-call we always step out to fight people even with the smaller numbers, even today was proof in a defense for SMC. YB had the bigger force, we still fought them outside of siege and pushed them out. It's called coordination, dunno if you heard of that but it is a thing.

Second lol... Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping when I have seen each server that has come to T1 hug that siege like no tomorrow, especially when they need to defend. Just letting you it's called World vs World. Not "Yo let's just fight and forget about defending stuff.".

Well leave it at that, logic obviously doesn't apply here and each server will cry "OH IT'S BGs FAULT THAT WE ARE SO BAD!" and constantly whine and complain sorry to burst your bubble, but even if you had our I guess "population" you would still be just as bad, un-organized and you would get pushed out. Stay dedicated and organized like we are and the fruits of labor will show, till then stay frosty.

[ThunderPanda.1872]

@"IzaOkami.7361" said:Huh... weird. Last time I re-call we always step out to fight people even with the smaller numbers, even today was proof in a defense for SMC. YB had the bigger force, we still fought them outside of siege and pushed them out. It's called coordination, dunno if you heard of that but it is a thing.

Second lol... Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping when I have seen each server that has come to T1 hug that siege like no tomorrow, especially when they need to defend. Just letting you it's called World vs World. Not "Yo let's just fight and forget about defending stuff.".

Well leave it at that, logic obviously doesn't apply here and each server will cry "OH IT'S BGs FAULT THAT WE ARE SO BAD!" and constantly whine and complain sorry to burst your bubble, but even if you had our I guess "population" you would still be just as bad, un-organized and you would get pushed out. Stay dedicated and organized like we are and the fruits of labor will show, till then stay frosty.

Yea it’s so easy to be organised and be united in an objective when your links change every 2 months.

[DeWolfe.2174]

@"IzaOkami.7361" said:Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping

You missed the entire point that is was not about siege, it was that I was beside her on map to see her. Since my capacity to "see" what was going on was questioned.

[Strider Pj.2193]

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

[radiantbliss.6875]

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@"IzaOkami.7361" said:Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping

You missed the entire point that is was not about siege, it was that I was beside her on map to see her. Since my capacity to "see" what was going on was questioned.

Except that you are blind as a bat since I wasn't on siege. So all you managed to do was prove you can look and not see and understand. Proving you only want to "see" what you want to see.

[DeWolfe.2174]

@radiantbliss.6875 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@"IzaOkami.7361" said:Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping

You missed the entire point that is was not about siege, it was that I was beside her on map to see her. Since my capacity to "see" what was going on was questioned.

Except that you are blind as a bat since I wasn't on siege. So all you managed to do was prove you can look and not see and understand. Proving you only want to "see" what you want to see.

You were standing idle behind the gate beside two shield gens. Some siege was actively being build up the staircase and on the wall around the NE inner gate. Of course, I might have been a bit blinded by your Sylvari, bright enough? :)

[Evolute.6239]

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.