What's the Status on JQ conspiracy

[Strider Pj.2193]

@Evolute.6239 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.

JQ is asking for sympathy. BG isn't. BG isn't asking to be opened.

JQ didn't even merit a link. Maybe that should tell you that you aren't as empty as you think.

But again, the victim card that is is all Anets conspiracy.

[Evolute.6239]

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@Evolute.6239 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.

JQ is asking for sympathy. BG isn't. BG isn't asking to be opened.

JQ didn't even merit a link. Maybe that should tell you that you aren't as empty as you think.

But again, the victim card that is is all Anets conspiracy.

I don't think theres a conspiracy. I think JQ just has an extremely active EU/SEA in comparison to other servers (other than bg), but a much weaker NA prime compared to other servers (almost all actually lol but ESPECIALLY in comparison to other "full" servers), but the SEA especially keeps us full status because very few servers can compete with our 3 AM k-train.

BG shouldnt ask to be opened, you're first in nearly all categories. JQ is not. Stop trying to pretend they're the same.

[Gabbynot.2654]

@Evolute.6239 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@Evolute.6239 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.

JQ is asking for sympathy. BG isn't. BG isn't asking to be opened.

JQ didn't even merit a link. Maybe that should tell you that you aren't as empty as you think.

But again, the victim card that is is all Anets conspiracy.

I don't think theres a conspiracy. I think JQ just has an extremely active EU/SEA in comparison to other servers (other than bg), but a much weaker NA prime compared to other servers (almost all actually lol but ESPECIALLY in comparison to other "full" servers), but the SEA especially keeps us full status because very few servers can compete with our 3 AM k-train.

BG shouldnt ask to be opened, you're first in nearly all categories. JQ is not. Stop trying to pretend they're the same.

N/A does not even care or give a kitten dam about JQ at all . much less even care or give a kitten with server links or wvw any more at all . given the fact we all in N/A know anet will never fix or give this game mode any thing at all. it is dead you all on the E/U side are not bright enough to get the hit or idea .

[Crius.5487]

Seriously, there's more action in this thread than on JQ

[morrolan.9608]

@Baroness.9506 said:It has always been the same case though, its not a story of numbers so much, the top servers all have the same round a bout playerbase. But there is a massive skill difference in those leading the pugs and the types of guilds on those servers.

BGs tactics are to run and hide behind siege unless you have overwhelming numbers, so no skill difference at all with other servers.

[Roxanne.6140]

Poor dewolfe, fighting the good fight and the same fight I saw one year ago rofl! The current wvw management seems to have undermined what competition is, or perhaps it never existed without a wallet to open before. It's just a game, nothing is going to change just because you are mad. Just take it easy, cya in a year's time. Gotta get my doom on.

[adammantium.8031]

JQ tried to game the system to open up and get more guilds to come in, to give their drivers a break, refresh their rosters, and bolster their coverage, and challenge Blackgate with more even population.They've not been opened, which is a shame IMO. Would've been some good fights.

And regardless of anything else, Anet should note that there was a large and coordinated boycott of their game in order to "fix" the game to play it the way they wanted to. When your playerbase goes to those lengths, whether you agree with it or not, something is wrong.

[Strider Pj.2193]

@Evolute.6239 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@Evolute.6239 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@henchmen.1856 said:

@DeWolfe.2174 said:

@jialelin.2968 said:

@ThunderPanda.1872 said:In case you haven’t been reading. The problem was never JQ SEA. It’s JQ NA and Oceanic.JQ NA TZ Guilds : SF OnS FLUX CLAM MUSA HzH TPA(TPA 24hr raid) => 7 Guilds :oBG NA TZ Guilds : KnT XvX Rev Kis => 4 Guilds B)JQ ocx have InS 20 plus Guild Members running

Wat Server Can run 7 Guilds during NA tz ? nope! only JQ. Isn't??

LOL But why JQ 7 guilds running NA and still bm no ehough ???

BG like small NA. It's not stack

Just fyi guilds =/= actual population.

but 7 na guilds (and the ocx/sea guilds) + massive pug population = jq

tpa raid with 10 people but will have 40+ pugs following

come on " clear-headed........TPA running 50 man full squad and map Q 22 yesterday . still not ehough for JQ ??????

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.

JQ is asking for sympathy. BG isn't. BG isn't asking to be opened.

JQ didn't even merit a link. Maybe that should tell you that you aren't as empty as you think.

But again, the victim card that is is all Anets conspiracy.

I don't think theres a conspiracy. I think JQ just has an extremely active EU/SEA in comparison to other servers (other than bg), but a much weaker NA prime compared to other servers (almost all actually lol but ESPECIALLY in comparison to other "full" servers), but the SEA especially keeps us full status because very few servers can compete with our 3 AM k-train.

BG shouldnt ask to be opened, you're first in nearly all categories. JQ is not. Stop trying to pretend they're the same.

You may not, have the JQ people in here do.

I agree about BG not being opened. So do the members who have posted here. Don't throw that red herring out there. Don't waste the bandwidth.

I don't think JQ is the same. Anet feels they are close enough to not be opened nor have a link.

I am not making this personal. Quote where I have.

What others are asking for is to allow what has cheesed off the whole player base to openly happen again. Great idea.

[morrolan.9608]

@radiantbliss.6875 said:You are making all kinds of incorrect assumptions. Stop drinking whatever koolaid you are drinking (I will say this every time we talk until you listen). It's not about advantage of BG. You honestly think we sit in a dark room cackling about how we can defeat all the servers and stay in t1?

Your server do try to manipulate the matchup to stay in T1 even when its obvious what BG is doing is bad for the mode as a whole. BG is in it for BG and the rest of WvW can burn.

[radiantbliss.6875]

@morrolan.9608 said:Your server do try to manipulate the matchup to stay in T1 even when its obvious what BG is doing is bad for the mode as a whole. BG is in it for BG and the rest of WvW can burn.

Tinfoil hat much? What manipulation have we done? Or are we about to bring up Season 1, it's been how long and people are still chewing on that bone.

[Chaba.5410]

All I get out of this thread is that JQ is the new DB.

[morrolan.9608]

@radiantbliss.6875 said:

@morrolan.9608 said:Your server do try to manipulate the matchup to stay in T1 even when its obvious what BG is doing is bad for the mode as a whole. BG is in it for BG and the rest of WvW can burn.

Tinfoil hat much? What manipulation have we done? Or are we about to bring up Season 1, it's been how long and people are still chewing on that bone.

You're manipulating the matchup to keep SOS there for one thing.

[radiantbliss.6875]

@morrolan.9608 said:You're manipulating the matchup to keep SOS there for one thing.

LOLWUT

Okay, for a second I thought you were being serious. I get it now, trollpost. 100% baited me. GG.

[keelhaul.8039]

@"adammantium.8031" said:JQ tried to game the system to open up and get more guilds to come in, to give their drivers a break, refresh their rosters, and bolster their coverage, and challenge Blackgate with more even population.They've not been opened, which is a shame IMO. Would've been some good fights.

And regardless of anything else, Anet should note that there was a large and coordinated boycott of their game in order to "fix" the game to play it the way they wanted to. When your playerbase goes to those lengths, whether you agree with it or not, something is wrong.

yeah, nah. JQ doesn't want to fight BG, even with a link / opening they'd still want to float t2 and t3.

[Sovereign.1093]

wvwstats.com for wvw activity in your server.

[Vermillion.4061]

@Sovereign.1093 said:wvwstats.com for wvw activity in your server.

JQ basically doing well in EU/OCX/SEA without a link with NA basically dead because of the tank, basically explains why they don't have a link because of the super stacked off prime coverage compared to other servers. :shrug:

[SkyShroud.2865]

Would love to fight JQ SEA next week, if possible to stay in same tier. Fought DB's map queue with non-map queue ytd, alongside (guild tagless) BB, it was fun.

PS: Please tank.

[ketzer.3158]

The funny part about this situation is that you brought this on yourself. You gambled and stacked servers for years because "PPT". Anet can't repair the damage you did to your servers in the last five years. You never cared for balanced wvw fights, you wanted easy wins and stacked one server after another which made people quit in the long run. Where BG could keep most of the population, thanks to Anets stupid intervention by opening a full server more than once, JQ failed here. I don't know why Anet favored BG over all other servers but don't expect that to change. They won't open JQ (or any other full server ) until people transfer off in masses.Good luck waiting, it won't happen.

[Sovereign.1093]

take a break. then play again after a month. things may change by then

[Kaiser.9873]

@Loosmaster.8263 said:

@"Xslare.8735" said:It's actually really sad that the group that knows the least about what's going on are the JQ pugs themselves, even second to ANet.

What's even more sad is Anet using BG as a unit of measure for the rest of the servers. Something is amiss here, lol.

This is exactly the issue. Like if you are 1/2 BG does that equate to a link that is 3/4 FC? What kind of game has a "BG" as a unit of measure?

Can servers skew other servers with alt accounts? Like log in for an hour of WvW on your alt, and count that as host population on enemy server? Because what a troll move that would be.

[LetoII.3782]

Jaywalking is illegal

In most of the US you can jaywalk with impunity, unless you are foolish enough to do so directly in front of a cop, sit on his hood on the way by, and take a swig of your beer.

JQ made it's attempt un-ignorable by authorities

[MedievalThings.5417]

@Kaiser.9873 said:

@Loosmaster.8263 said:

@"Xslare.8735" said:It's actually really sad that the group that knows the least about what's going on are the JQ pugs themselves, even second to ANet.

What's even more sad is Anet using BG as a unit of measure for the rest of the servers. Something is amiss here, lol.

Can servers skew other servers with alt accounts? Like log in for an hour of WvW on your alt, and count that as host population on enemy server? Because what a troll move that would be.

They do. TC constantly has people logged in just to "chat" for 2-12 hours while they explain what all they have done on their main accounts all week.

Also, I want to thank JQ for having the courage to still log in, despite "only" having 50 man blobs to field almost 24 hours a day. It is truly courageous that they can continue to play, despite having soo many disadvantages (obviously forced on them by Anet).

Truly an inspiration.

[Pepper.3901]

@X T D.6458 said:Ok a few things here...

First, stop posting screen shots of queues and trying to pass it off as some kind of evidence. Lets face it, people cherry pick the times and numbers they want to display so it favors their talking points.

Second, unless you have the data for your entire server, at all times, you need to stop acting as if what you see in WvW during your playtime, is the only thing that is relevant. Just because you might not see a queue during your playtime does not mean ANYTHING, it does not mean that your server should not be closed.

Third, knock it off with the ridiculous conspiracy theories. If I want to see a bunch of made up stories, trying to pass off as news, with no evidence to back it up I'll watch CNN.

Fourth, maybe some people on JQ should put aside their egos, stop with the politics, and just play.

Now we wait for thread to close.

They can warn those who derailed the thread - it's not necessary to close it - been there, done that.

That said, this is about true balance and bad situations that are destroying the integrity of WvW.

[zhonnika.1784]

50 man blobs 24/7? Bro, it's not 2013 anymore. No server has that, even BG. But .... uh, good salt, I guess?

[MedievalThings.5417]

There are 50 man blobs in every tier. Sure, it may only be 35 in a guild and the 15 following may not be in squad, but every tier is fielding 50 man blobs. I didn't say you had a 50 man blob 24 hours a day, I said being able to field a 50 man blob 24 hours a day. Hell, TC is the host server, and even EBay has more people in WvW than we do.