I Hope This Ends Misinformation Regarding The Anti-cheat Software

[Oldirtbeard.9834]

Don't mention him or the Langoliers will get you . . .

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

Ahem. @Oldirtbeard.9834 Again, thank you for posting this information. It was more helpful than you know. ?

[Oldirtbeard.9834]

@Ardenwolfe.8590 said:Ahem. @Oldirtbeard.9834 Again, thank you for posting this information. It was more helpful than you know. ?

Least I could do considering how much of a hot head I can be, kind of making up for some bad mojo.

[Holykitten.3064]

@Charrbeque.8729 said:

@Haleydawn.3764 said:

@Oldirtbeard.9834 said:

@Vegeta.2563 said:

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:

@Haleydawn.3764 said:

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:

@Charrbeque.8729 said:

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:

@Charrbeque.8729 said:And on the topic of sending data to a company: anybody using Windows 10?

Yeahhhhh.

https://imgur.com/a/sfhudbX

No option not to send data to Microsoft. You're always sending something to them. So if you want to complain about ArenaNet invading privacy, you could use the same argument about Microsoft, or pretty much any software company or website out there. You could probably modify Windows somehow so you don't send data to Microsoft, but you would really have to know what you're doing and would run the risk of your OS not working properly.

ArenaNet basically did what everybody else does. Except not on a massive scale like Facebook or Twitter, who takes everything you post and sells it to advertisers, while telling you to your face they will never share your data with anyone.

All ArenaNet did was check to see if specific software was running at the same time as the game. Anything not relevant to that was ignored.

I love this argument because it proves how successful the corrupted IT/game dev industry is. "I can do this because everyone else does this". No, it doesn't work like that and finally regulators around the world are becoming more aware of the internet privacy problem. Big companies made you believe it's okay you are being spied on because everyone does. EU is starting doing something about it so maybe finally customers no longer be slaves to IT/game dev companies.

The point I was trying to make is ArenaNet is doing what everyone else is, but they do it for very specific purposes and try to be the least intrusive as possible, while a lot of others are scanning your computer for anything they want.

The problem is people are making it out as though ArenaNet was scanning everything on your computer when they weren't. If they were looking at your cat video collection, or to see what type of hoo-hah videos you're into, I could understand the invasion of privacy argument. People are just blowing things out of proportion and assuming the absolute worse without any evidence to back up their claims.

Well yes, Anet's actions are on smaller scale than big players on the market. However, being less evil is still evil.

If we take it for what we know though, Anet is only retrieving data if what you are running is matching what they are searching for (cheat programs). If you aren't running that which is being searched for, NOTHING is being sent to Anet that shouldn't be. So nothing to be worried about, no? You're either running questionable software while playing (reasonable doubt), or you're not. It's a very simple concept. Many court cases end in conviction based on reasonable doubt. Anet has opened up the ability to send a ticket about your (general) ban (if you were). So if a ban was unwarranted, you will be unbanned.Don't forget Anet can view metrics of character input and positioning when they like, that data is stored.

I wish they did account research before banning people.

Tell me about it.. friend of mine got banned because he used cheat engine on FF14 for Infinite Mana or whatever.. but never closed FF14 or Cheat Engine out to login to gw2 to quickly grab his daily login reward. So he got hit with 6 month ban because of it.

Karma works in mysterious ways?

Another case of reasonable doubt I think. FF14 is an online game right? So much for the 'CE can't be used in online games' excuse I guess.

Edit; and the quoted post has magically vanished? Odd...

Not odd. A mod removed a post of mine because I quoted a post that was apparently in violation of the rules (no penalty to me though, basically just a notice my post was removed). And the post I quoted (and you said is missing) was by @Kheldorn.5123, who now has "Banned" marked on their profile page.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/profile/comments/489/Kheldorn.5123

/shrug

Edit: Wasn't this thread 3 pages long earlier? I could have sworn. Hmm....maybe several posts got deleted or something.

Ty for the investigative eye. I wasn't notified of post removal. ><

[GreyWolf.8670]

@Rasimir.6239 said:

@Ayrilana.1396 said:I didn't realize someone can run cheat software legitimately.

Actually CE, despite its name, is simply an open source tool that allows you to debug and fiddle with any software running on your computer. I know a few freelance software professionals who in fact use it for work purposes, sometimes on the same machine that they're playing games on. To them it's simply a low-cost alternative to expensive brand debuggers.

Can you give some examples of this? What professional developers use CE instead of a debugger for the environment they're developing for? CE is by no means more useful than, say, Visual Studio's debugger if you're developing Windows software.

[Obtena.7952]

It's just as I suspected in the first place ... why would Anet waste their time getting MORE information than they needed to verify the violation? BYE BYE Conspiracy Theories.

[Charrbeque.8729]

@"Obtena.7952" said:It's just as I suspected in the first place ... why would Anet waste their time getting MORE information than they needed to verify the violation? BYE BYE Conspiracy Theories.

A lot of people pushing conspiracy theories and misinformation were just salty cheaters mad they got caught.

I do suspect that whatever ArenaNet did to monitor for specific software was a "last resort" situation. Everything they've done while doing the best they can to not intrude into our computers hasn't been very successful. They even went so far as to suspend accounts for 6 months instead of permanent bans, in hopes people botting/cheating would learn their lesson since they wouldn't completely lose everything.

503 Service Temporarily UnavailableLooks like the website where the cheaters/botters/RMTers congregate is having some issues suddenly. :3

[Sleepwalker.1398]

Well, they deserve the 6 month break .I hope Anet runs another patch few weeks after they comeback and if found again, then perma-ban them.I'm very happy with WvW atm.

[Menadena.7482]

While I do not run cheating software them doing something like this makes me think about running an innocent program but have it identify itself as one of the bad programs. Just to toss noise into the data. The loss to me would just be a small amount of computer resources and if banned having to argue it out with them. Which would be trivial if the cheat software was pc-only as I would do it on a mac.

[SlippyCheeze.5483]

@Bloodstealer.5978 said:

@"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:I wonder why some players/posters take/took the word of another posters claiming to be a security expert (I mean anyone can say anything on the internet; I didn't see any proof), but vehemently state that ArenaNet is stating untruths? If there is no proof for ArenaNet's statements, there is also no proof for posters-in-a-thread's statements. :confused:

A security expert, who someone mentioned was the CTO of a security software company specialising in anti virus/anti malware.. I wonder why then that person thought it was a good idea to come to a public forum and broadcast what anet had apparently done and the methods used - ya know the kind of golden ticket info those hackdevs would of almost certainly had a field day with.. hmm clever, not! :)

If it was possible to avoid getting caught by knowing how it was done, those same "hackdevs" would not have been caught anyway. Obscurity can help increase the time it takes for people to catch you out, but it provides no real security.

Not to mention that this is literally one of the many things that other anti-cheating game "security" tools do. At least ANet didn't demand we approve installing a rootkit before we could play, as would have happened if they used a third party solution to do this same thing.

[Bloodstealer.5978]

@Charrbeque.8729 said:

@"Obtena.7952" said:It's just as I suspected in the first place ... why would Anet waste their time getting MORE information than they needed to verify the violation? BYE BYE Conspiracy Theories.

A lot of people pushing conspiracy theories and misinformation were just salty cheaters mad they got caught.

I do suspect that whatever ArenaNet did to monitor for specific software was a "last resort" situation. Everything they've done while doing the best they can to not intrude into our computers hasn't been very successful. They even went so far as to suspend accounts for 6 months instead of permanent bans, in hopes people botting/cheating would learn their lesson since they wouldn't completely lose everything.

503 Service Temporarily UnavailableLooks like the website where the cheaters/botters/RMTers congregate is having some issues suddenly. :3

Well one of the main sites offering MMOminiion Bot etc has already launched a patched hack and pvp assist hack with a fully automated version incoming according to their site.. was never going to be anything different than this.. so lets hope ANET don't let it fester too long until the next attempt at catching the cheats

[Dreadshow.9320]

Let me start a discussion on a topic to end discussions on that topic.

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

@Obtena.7952 Exactly.

[Oldirtbeard.9834]

@Dreadshow.9320 said:Let me start a discussion on a topic to end discussions on that topic.

No the just the parts where people are blatantly making things up as opposed to relying on things like facts, like the good old days before 2016/2015.