[merged] About the Skyscale Timegate...

CJtheBigBear.9610 · May 17, 2019

@Rukario.1695 said:
If people work full time and have a family, yet they're spending 5 hours a day doing collections, needless to say they are either neglecting their spouse (unless both play,) or children -- for an online game and that should not be the case. If you're talking about people who simply go to work and then go home to no-life the game until they go to bed, then yeah, they probably are finishing the collections each day.
That is, unless they work 2pm to 10pm and the server reset hits at 7pm like where I live. I get home, get maybe 30 minutes to an hour to play, sleep, get up, do morning kitten, run errands, maybe get another 45 minutes of playtime if I decide to, then I have to work again. This is an 8 hour schedule -- what about 12 hours or those who have to work overtime any time their boss decides to call them?
Just because your Average Joe with nothing going on can finish a collection each day does not speak for anyone but that Average Joe.
This shouldn't need an explanation.
There is a reason I never crafted a Legendary, instead I did the Gold Grind to get 2,800g. Time-gating is dumb and collections in collections is almost worse.The first day's collection took roughly 6 hours for most people, even with a guide.The second day's collection took roughly 6 to 8 hours depending on your luck, with a guide.The third day's collection took 3 hours with luck or substantially longer, with a guide; Gold or Charged Quartz is mandatory.No one knows what the next 2 collections entail.
But needless to say if someone only has 30min~1hr of playtime a day to allocate, this would have already taken them 15~24-ish days depending on luck, help from others, or choosing to not use a guide at all (substantially increasing the required time,) - and this is completely ignoring the Gold requirement.
Add the chance they finish a collection 5 minutes after the Daily Reset already hit -- Add a day to the total every time this happens.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Exactly this.

People who think others are lazy just because they or someone else they know can do this while working just come across as really arrogant.While it's awesome that you can, compared to the almost hundreds of people I've seen across forum threads, in-game, and on Reddit, you are the minority.

Everyone's lives are different. Everyone's got different things to do with their free time besides Guild Wars. And the daily reset is set regardless time-zones, meaning while the reset is in a very optimal place for some people's schedules, for others it falls at a very bad time, like right before they have to head for work, or in the middle of the night.

Guild Wars 2 has millions of players. If you don't get affected by this, that's great. But don't treat those who can't as lazy. :\

HazyDaisy.4107 · May 17, 2019

If it makes you feel better, the grow lamps are timegate too (1 per day). I don't know, but that made me laugh :).

Kumion.7580 · May 17, 2019

I don't mind working on collections to earn a thing I want. I do mind arbitrary time gates without purpose. I really dislike how the mastery is locked and all XP is lost. I understand you'll be addressing that, for which I'm ... grudgingly grateful.

Honestly, Anet, think about why movies-on-demand are so popular and make so much money. I got rid of cable a long time ago, but I pay for Netflix. Think about why series-bingeing is a thing. Do you really care if someone binges your season vs. someone else who watches it in 30-min. increments? Let us play at our own pace-- whatever that pace may be.

I remember the whole GW2 manifesto about how this game wasn't about "waiting to have fun". Do you?

C Cspace Cowboy.5903 · May 17, 2019

I quit Aurora for a year because of the time gate on wayfarers henge. I did all the map completes, made everything i could up until that point, and just sat on it.

What do you think im going to do with a time gated mount?

You guessed it. Never get it.

Ayrilana.1396 · May 17, 2019

@Rukario.1695 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Enokitake.1742 said:
@LucianDK.8615 said:The grow lamp have steadilly been rising in price all day, definitely not exploding. You had plenty of time from this morning.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs.

The timegating is stupid and should be removed, promptly.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs

who are able to complete the collections

If people work full time and have a family, yet they're spending 5 hours a day doing collections, needless to say they are either neglecting their spouse (unless both play,) or children -- for an online game and that should not be the case. If you're talking about people who simply go to work and then go home to no-life the game until they go to bed, then yeah, they probably are finishing the collections each day.

That is, unless they work 2pm to 10pm and the server reset hits at 7pm like where I live. I get home, get maybe 30 minutes to an hour to play, sleep, get up, do morning kitten, run errands, maybe get another 45 minutes of playtime if I decide to, then I have to work again. This is an 8 hour schedule -- what about 12 hours or those who have to work overtime any time their boss decides to call them?

Just because your Average Joe with nothing going on can finish a collection each day does not speak for anyone but that Average Joe.

This shouldn't need an explanation.

There is a reason I never crafted a Legendary, instead I did the Gold Grind to get 2,800g. Time-gating is dumb and collections in collections is almost worse.

The first day's collection took roughly 6 hours for most people, even with a guide.The second day's collection took roughly 6 to 8 hours depending on your luck, with a guide.The third day's collection took 3 hours with luck or substantially longer, with a guide; Gold or Charged Quartz is mandatory.No one knows what the next 2 collections entail.

But needless to say if someone only has 30min~1hr of playtime a day to allocate, this would have already taken them

15~24-ish days

depending on luck, help from others, or choosing to not use a guide at all (substantially increasing the required time,) - and this is completely ignoring the Gold requirement.

Add the chance they finish a collection 5 minutes after the Daily Reset already hit -- Add a day to the total every time this happens.

You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.

For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.

It took me two hours to do the second day's collection. No guide needed as the hints were very straightforward compared to the previous day's collections.

It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

Also, the time-gate has minimal impact on someone with such limited playtime. If it takes six hours to do a collection, and they play for one hour a day, they essentially spent six days. On the seventh day they can start the next one. Adding a day on top of that artificially inflates things and is misleading. The daily time-gate only impacts them if they're in-between collections during their playtime but that's fairly minimal anyway due to how little time they play.

Enokitake.1742 · May 17, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Rukario.1695 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Enokitake.1742 said:
@"LucianDK.8615" said:The grow lamp have steadilly been rising in price all day, definitely not exploding. You had plenty of time from this morning.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs.

The timegating is stupid and should be removed, promptly.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs

who are able to complete the collections

If people work full time and have a family, yet they're spending 5 hours a day doing collections, needless to say they are either neglecting their spouse (unless both play,) or children -- for an online game and that should not be the case. If you're talking about people who simply go to work and then go home to no-life the game until they go to bed, then yeah, they probably are finishing the collections each day.

That is, unless they work 2pm to 10pm and the server reset hits at 7pm like where I live. I get home, get maybe 30 minutes to an hour to play, sleep, get up, do morning kitten, run errands, maybe get another 45 minutes of playtime if I decide to, then I have to work again. This is an 8 hour schedule -- what about 12 hours or those who have to work overtime any time their boss decides to call them?

Just because your Average Joe with nothing going on can finish a collection each day does not speak for anyone but that Average Joe.

This shouldn't need an explanation.

There is a reason I never crafted a Legendary, instead I did the Gold Grind to get 2,800g. Time-gating is dumb and collections in collections is almost worse.

The first day's collection took roughly 6 hours for most people, even with a guide.The second day's collection took roughly 6 to 8 hours depending on your luck, with a guide.The third day's collection took 3 hours with luck or substantially longer, with a guide; Gold or Charged Quartz is mandatory.No one knows what the next 2 collections entail.

But needless to say if someone only has 30min~1hr of playtime a day to allocate, this would have already taken them

15~24-ish days

depending on luck, help from others, or choosing to not use a guide at all (substantially increasing the required time,) - and this is completely ignoring the Gold requirement.

Add the chance they finish a collection 5 minutes after the Daily Reset already hit -- Add a day to the total every time this happens.

You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.

For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.

It took me two hours to do the second day's collection.

It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

Gratz on having a low time absorbing job. Outside of that, you've made literally no point. Some of us work four-six hours a day. Some of us, work in industries where you work 8-12 hours a day before on-call, like law, finance (me), LEO, or medicine. If you're in the four hour area, of course you see nothing wrong with spending 6 hours in one day on a collection for a mount.

"People who think others are lazy just because they or someone else they know can do this while working just come across as really arrogant.While it's awesome that you can, compared to the almost hundreds of people I've seen across forum threads, in-game, and on Reddit, you are the minority."

That. ^

CJtheBigBear.9610 · May 17, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.
For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.
It took me two hours to do the second day's collection. No guide needed as the hints were very straightforward compared to the previous day's collections.
It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

It took me 6 to do the first day's with a guide.It took me 5 to do the second's.It took me 2 to do the third's before the time-gated feeding.

Everyone does things at a different pace. Some people did it quick enough to already been on Day 2 of the feeding already. We already knew this.

Again, just because you could do it in a certain time even with the restrictions, it doesn't mean everyone does/can.

CETheLucid.3964 · May 17, 2019

@CJtheBigBear.9610 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.
For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.
It took me two hours to do the second day's collection. No guide needed as the hints were very straightforward compared to the previous day's collections.
It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

Again, just because you could do it in a certain time even with the restrictions, it doesn't mean everyone does/can.Now if you could get the rest of the posters on board with this thinking, we can close this thread down, sing kumbaya, and raise our little Skyscales up to be the best little helicopter dragons they can be! :sunglasses:

Ayrilana.1396 · May 17, 2019

@Enokitake.1742 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Rukario.1695 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Enokitake.1742 said:
@"LucianDK.8615" said:The grow lamp have steadilly been rising in price all day, definitely not exploding. You had plenty of time from this morning.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs.

The timegating is stupid and should be removed, promptly.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs

who are able to complete the collections

If people work full time and have a family, yet they're spending 5 hours a day doing collections, needless to say they are either neglecting their spouse (unless both play,) or children -- for an online game and that should not be the case. If you're talking about people who simply go to work and then go home to no-life the game until they go to bed, then yeah, they probably are finishing the collections each day.

That is, unless they work 2pm to 10pm and the server reset hits at 7pm like where I live. I get home, get maybe 30 minutes to an hour to play, sleep, get up, do morning kitten, run errands, maybe get another 45 minutes of playtime if I decide to, then I have to work again. This is an 8 hour schedule -- what about 12 hours or those who have to work overtime any time their boss decides to call them?

Just because your Average Joe with nothing going on can finish a collection each day does not speak for anyone but that Average Joe.

This shouldn't need an explanation.

There is a reason I never crafted a Legendary, instead I did the Gold Grind to get 2,800g. Time-gating is dumb and collections in collections is almost worse.

The first day's collection took roughly 6 hours for most people, even with a guide.The second day's collection took roughly 6 to 8 hours depending on your luck, with a guide.The third day's collection took 3 hours with luck or substantially longer, with a guide; Gold or Charged Quartz is mandatory.No one knows what the next 2 collections entail.

But needless to say if someone only has 30min~1hr of playtime a day to allocate, this would have already taken them

15~24-ish days

depending on luck, help from others, or choosing to not use a guide at all (substantially increasing the required time,) - and this is completely ignoring the Gold requirement.

Add the chance they finish a collection 5 minutes after the Daily Reset already hit -- Add a day to the total every time this happens.

You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.

For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.

It took me two hours to do the second day's collection.

It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

Gratz on having a low time absorbing job. Outside of that, you've made literally no point. Some of us work four-six hours a day. Some of us, work in industries where you work 8-12 hours a day before on-call, like law, finance (me), LEO, or medicine. If you're in the four hour area, of course you see nothing wrong with spending 6 hours in one day on a collection for a mount.

"People who think others are lazy just because they or someone else they know can do this while working just come across as really arrogant.While it's awesome that you can, compared to the almost hundreds of people I've seen across forum threads, in-game, and on Reddit, you are the minority."

That. ^

I work 8 hours a day with about an hour travel time each way. You're also still grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do those collections with guides.

Also, please stop lumping that whole lazy accusation with my post. I never said that.

Stalkingwolf.6035 · May 17, 2019

@Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:Hi everyone,
In the meantime, we're pushing a hotfix that will include hiding the skyscale Mastery line for players who have not acquired the skyscale so that they will continue to gain Mastery experience toward acquiring Spirit Shards.

thank you and have a nice weekend. ( and of course all devs )

Ayrilana.1396 · May 17, 2019

@CJtheBigBear.9610 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.
For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.
It took me two hours to do the second day's collection. No guide needed as the hints were very straightforward compared to the previous day's collections.
It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

It took me 6 to do the first day's with a guide.It took me 5 to do the second's.It took me 2 to do the third's before the time-gated feeding.

Everyone does things at a different pace. Some people did it quick enough to already been on Day 2 of the feeding already. We already knew this.

Again, just because you could do it in a certain time even with the restrictions, it doesn't mean everyone does/can.

And I respond with this:

Just because you took that amount of time, doesn't mean that everyone else did.

If you're going to use that argument then realize it can be used both ways.

Rukario.1695 · May 17, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Rukario.1695 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Enokitake.1742 said:
@LucianDK.8615 said:The grow lamp have steadilly been rising in price all day, definitely not exploding. You had plenty of time from this morning.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs.

The timegating is stupid and should be removed, promptly.

ITT: People forget other people have jobs

who are able to complete the collections

If people work full time and have a family, yet they're spending 5 hours a day doing collections, needless to say they are either neglecting their spouse (unless both play,) or children -- for an online game and that should not be the case. If you're talking about people who simply go to work and then go home to no-life the game until they go to bed, then yeah, they probably are finishing the collections each day.

That is, unless they work 2pm to 10pm and the server reset hits at 7pm like where I live. I get home, get maybe 30 minutes to an hour to play, sleep, get up, do morning kitten, run errands, maybe get another 45 minutes of playtime if I decide to, then I have to work again. This is an 8 hour schedule -- what about 12 hours or those who have to work overtime any time their boss decides to call them?

Just because your Average Joe with nothing going on can finish a collection each day does not speak for anyone but that Average Joe.

This shouldn't need an explanation.

There is a reason I never crafted a Legendary, instead I did the Gold Grind to get 2,800g. Time-gating is dumb and collections in collections is almost worse.

The first day's collection took roughly 6 hours for most people, even with a guide.The second day's collection took roughly 6 to 8 hours depending on your luck, with a guide.The third day's collection took 3 hours with luck or substantially longer, with a guide; Gold or Charged Quartz is mandatory.No one knows what the next 2 collections entail.

But needless to say if someone only has 30min~1hr of playtime a day to allocate, this would have already taken them

15~24-ish days

depending on luck, help from others, or choosing to not use a guide at all (substantially increasing the required time,) - and this is completely ignoring the Gold requirement.

Add the chance they finish a collection 5 minutes after the Daily Reset already hit -- Add a day to the total every time this happens.

You're grossly exaggerating how long it takes to do the collections.

For one, it took me six hours to do the entire first day collection without a guide so you can easily do it in a fraction of the time. It really shouldn't take someone more than three hours to do this with a guide.

It took me two hours to do the second day's collection. No guide needed as the hints were very straightforward compared to the previous day's collections.

It took a total of an hour to do the third day's collection and that's counting the next two days of feeding the mount.

Also, the time-gate has minimal impact on someone with such limited playtime. If it takes six hours to do a collection, and they play for one hour a day, they essentially spent six days. On the seventh day they can start the next one. Adding a day on top of that artificially inflates things and is misleading. The daily time-gate only impacts them if they're in-between collections during their playtime but that's fairly minimal anyway due to how little time they play.

How on earth am I grossly exaggerating the collections when I have already done them using a guide? I am on my time off. You can't sit here and tell me the time I spent on the collections is grossly exaggerated, sorry.

There are plenty of people who do not have waypoints, opened maps, enough gold to chain waypoints, do not catch a meta at the right time, or other. Good for you that you did everything exact to a T and did not miss a beat, but that does not mean everyone had the same experience as you.

Jesus christ.

CJtheBigBear.9610 · May 17, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:And I respond with this:
Just because you took that amount of time, doesn't mean that everyone else did.
If you're going to use that argument then realize it can be used both ways.

It really can't be used in both ways, because your style of play isn't affected by this. If neither side was being affected, then this thread wouldn't be here. Saying you're not affected isn't helping the dozens of people posting in this thread that are.

Ayrilana.1396 · May 17, 2019

@CJtheBigBear.9610 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:And I respond with this:
Just because you took that amount of time, doesn't mean that everyone else did.
If you're going to use that argument then realize it can be used both ways.

It really can't be used in both ways, because your style of play isn't affected by this. If neither side was being affected, then this thread wouldn't be here. Saying you're not affected isn't helping the dozens of people posting in this thread that are.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Ayrilana.1396 · May 17, 2019

@Rukario.1695 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Rukario.1695 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@Enokitake.1742 said:
@LucianDK.8615 said:The grow lamp have steadilly been rising in price all day, definitely not exploding. You had plenty of time from this morning.