Delete birds please

Eurantien.4632 · May 5, 2020

@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:what's the point in running SS / Gazelle now that knights been removed ?
Wouldn't it make sense Now to run Either double Bird or SS with One bird pet? Rangers still has a solid amount of kill potential now with Demo amulet and bird still hitting for over 6k. WS went untouched but you can probably use Sic-em with 2 stun breaks over 3 stun breaks and win a majority of your fights still.

I personally never saw any reason even before to not run double birds (despite the fact some things can kill them), You can't really get away with sic em without knights. Sure, you can do the 1v1, but it makes it way harder to survive outnumbered. And without knights you pretty much have to leave outnumbered anyway... which could be an argument for why you could run Sic Em... but I don't think so

Haven't really played much last few days after the Patch(stepping away from the game for a bit due to the game being boring) but at this point why would you still have a ranger hold sides? Prot holo and possibly even renegade do the Job better for at less effort so wouldn't it make sense to have the ranger play more of a roamer then anything else? I'll even argue the fact that weaver can probably do a better job then ranger as a side noder without knights amulet.

Hence why i think people ran with Gazelle and SS. Just to be more of a pain in the kitten to deal with overall as a ranger who can't really die and pets that took to long to deal with.

Yeah prot holo def just seems better than core ranger now... if you go like core zerker you can keep the neut through just damage... and you can manage a lot of 1v1s easier with the extra damage but you are susceptible to +'s more and you def cannot tank it out like before.

For 5v5 core ranger prob ain't the play. But I'm sure it still slaughters people in ranked.

Which is again the source of all the problems on the forums. I want to balance around top tier 5v5. And others want to balance around ranked queue.

There is no 5v5 queue, there hasn’t been one in a very long time. It is unlikely there will ever be one again. Will you be kind enough to let this go?

ATs, Monthlies, MOTA, ToL?

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:what's the point in running SS / Gazelle now that knights been removed ?
Wouldn't it make sense Now to run Either double Bird or SS with One bird pet? Rangers still has a solid amount of kill potential now with Demo amulet and bird still hitting for over 6k. WS went untouched but you can probably use Sic-em with 2 stun breaks over 3 stun breaks and win a majority of your fights still.

I personally never saw any reason even before to not run double birds (despite the fact some things can kill them), You can't really get away with sic em without knights. Sure, you can do the 1v1, but it makes it way harder to survive outnumbered. And without knights you pretty much have to leave outnumbered anyway... which could be an argument for why you could run Sic Em... but I don't think so

Haven't really played much last few days after the Patch(stepping away from the game for a bit due to the game being boring) but at this point why would you still have a ranger hold sides? Prot holo and possibly even renegade do the Job better for at less effort so wouldn't it make sense to have the ranger play more of a roamer then anything else? I'll even argue the fact that weaver can probably do a better job then ranger as a side noder without knights amulet.

Hence why i think people ran with Gazelle and SS. Just to be more of a pain in the kitten to deal with overall as a ranger who can't really die and pets that took to long to deal with.

Yeah prot holo def just seems better than core ranger now... if you go like core zerker you can keep the neut through just damage... and you can manage a lot of 1v1s easier with the extra damage but you are susceptible to +'s more and you def cannot tank it out like before.

For 5v5 core ranger prob ain't the play. But I'm sure it still slaughters people in ranked.

Which is again the source of all the problems on the forums. I want to balance around top tier 5v5. And others want to balance around ranked queue.

There is no 5v5 queue, there hasn’t been one in a very long time. It is unlikely there will ever be one again. Will you be kind enough to let this go?

ATs, Monthlies, MOTA, ToL?

I was gonna mention those, but they aren’t a part of ranked queue, which is where the post was going.

Eurantien.4632 · May 5, 2020

@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:what's the point in running SS / Gazelle now that knights been removed ?
Wouldn't it make sense Now to run Either double Bird or SS with One bird pet? Rangers still has a solid amount of kill potential now with Demo amulet and bird still hitting for over 6k. WS went untouched but you can probably use Sic-em with 2 stun breaks over 3 stun breaks and win a majority of your fights still.

I personally never saw any reason even before to not run double birds (despite the fact some things can kill them), You can't really get away with sic em without knights. Sure, you can do the 1v1, but it makes it way harder to survive outnumbered. And without knights you pretty much have to leave outnumbered anyway... which could be an argument for why you could run Sic Em... but I don't think so

Haven't really played much last few days after the Patch(stepping away from the game for a bit due to the game being boring) but at this point why would you still have a ranger hold sides? Prot holo and possibly even renegade do the Job better for at less effort so wouldn't it make sense to have the ranger play more of a roamer then anything else? I'll even argue the fact that weaver can probably do a better job then ranger as a side noder without knights amulet.

Hence why i think people ran with Gazelle and SS. Just to be more of a pain in the kitten to deal with overall as a ranger who can't really die and pets that took to long to deal with.

Yeah prot holo def just seems better than core ranger now... if you go like core zerker you can keep the neut through just damage... and you can manage a lot of 1v1s easier with the extra damage but you are susceptible to +'s more and you def cannot tank it out like before.

For 5v5 core ranger prob ain't the play. But I'm sure it still slaughters people in ranked.

Which is again the source of all the problems on the forums. I want to balance around top tier 5v5. And others want to balance around ranked queue.

There is no 5v5 queue, there hasn’t been one in a very long time. It is unlikely there will ever be one again. Will you be kind enough to let this go?

ATs, Monthlies, MOTA, ToL?

I was gonna mention those, but they aren’t a part of ranked queue, which is where the post was going.

Fair, and I'd argue most of the game is ranked queue so... RIP ranger

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:what's the point in running SS / Gazelle now that knights been removed ?
Wouldn't it make sense Now to run Either double Bird or SS with One bird pet? Rangers still has a solid amount of kill potential now with Demo amulet and bird still hitting for over 6k. WS went untouched but you can probably use Sic-em with 2 stun breaks over 3 stun breaks and win a majority of your fights still.

I personally never saw any reason even before to not run double birds (despite the fact some things can kill them), You can't really get away with sic em without knights. Sure, you can do the 1v1, but it makes it way harder to survive outnumbered. And without knights you pretty much have to leave outnumbered anyway... which could be an argument for why you could run Sic Em... but I don't think so

Haven't really played much last few days after the Patch(stepping away from the game for a bit due to the game being boring) but at this point why would you still have a ranger hold sides? Prot holo and possibly even renegade do the Job better for at less effort so wouldn't it make sense to have the ranger play more of a roamer then anything else? I'll even argue the fact that weaver can probably do a better job then ranger as a side noder without knights amulet.

Hence why i think people ran with Gazelle and SS. Just to be more of a pain in the kitten to deal with overall as a ranger who can't really die and pets that took to long to deal with.

Yeah prot holo def just seems better than core ranger now... if you go like core zerker you can keep the neut through just damage... and you can manage a lot of 1v1s easier with the extra damage but you are susceptible to +'s more and you def cannot tank it out like before.

For 5v5 core ranger prob ain't the play. But I'm sure it still slaughters people in ranked.

Which is again the source of all the problems on the forums. I want to balance around top tier 5v5. And others want to balance around ranked queue.

There is no 5v5 queue, there hasn’t been one in a very long time. It is unlikely there will ever be one again. Will you be kind enough to let this go?

ATs, Monthlies, MOTA, ToL?

I was gonna mention those, but they aren’t a part of ranked queue, which is where the post was going.

Fair, and I'd argue most of the game is ranked queue so... RIP ranger

Laughs in Mesmer.

Eurantien.4632 · May 5, 2020

@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:what's the point in running SS / Gazelle now that knights been removed ?
Wouldn't it make sense Now to run Either double Bird or SS with One bird pet? Rangers still has a solid amount of kill potential now with Demo amulet and bird still hitting for over 6k. WS went untouched but you can probably use Sic-em with 2 stun breaks over 3 stun breaks and win a majority of your fights still.

I personally never saw any reason even before to not run double birds (despite the fact some things can kill them), You can't really get away with sic em without knights. Sure, you can do the 1v1, but it makes it way harder to survive outnumbered. And without knights you pretty much have to leave outnumbered anyway... which could be an argument for why you could run Sic Em... but I don't think so

Haven't really played much last few days after the Patch(stepping away from the game for a bit due to the game being boring) but at this point why would you still have a ranger hold sides? Prot holo and possibly even renegade do the Job better for at less effort so wouldn't it make sense to have the ranger play more of a roamer then anything else? I'll even argue the fact that weaver can probably do a better job then ranger as a side noder without knights amulet.

Hence why i think people ran with Gazelle and SS. Just to be more of a pain in the kitten to deal with overall as a ranger who can't really die and pets that took to long to deal with.

Yeah prot holo def just seems better than core ranger now... if you go like core zerker you can keep the neut through just damage... and you can manage a lot of 1v1s easier with the extra damage but you are susceptible to +'s more and you def cannot tank it out like before.

For 5v5 core ranger prob ain't the play. But I'm sure it still slaughters people in ranked.

Which is again the source of all the problems on the forums. I want to balance around top tier 5v5. And others want to balance around ranked queue.

There is no 5v5 queue, there hasn’t been one in a very long time. It is unlikely there will ever be one again. Will you be kind enough to let this go?

ATs, Monthlies, MOTA, ToL?

I was gonna mention those, but they aren’t a part of ranked queue, which is where the post was going.

Fair, and I'd argue most of the game is ranked queue so... RIP ranger

Laughs in Mesmer.

Laughs in what?

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:
@zoopop.5630 said:what's the point in running SS / Gazelle now that knights been removed ?
Wouldn't it make sense Now to run Either double Bird or SS with One bird pet? Rangers still has a solid amount of kill potential now with Demo amulet and bird still hitting for over 6k. WS went untouched but you can probably use Sic-em with 2 stun breaks over 3 stun breaks and win a majority of your fights still.

I personally never saw any reason even before to not run double birds (despite the fact some things can kill them), You can't really get away with sic em without knights. Sure, you can do the 1v1, but it makes it way harder to survive outnumbered. And without knights you pretty much have to leave outnumbered anyway... which could be an argument for why you could run Sic Em... but I don't think so

Haven't really played much last few days after the Patch(stepping away from the game for a bit due to the game being boring) but at this point why would you still have a ranger hold sides? Prot holo and possibly even renegade do the Job better for at less effort so wouldn't it make sense to have the ranger play more of a roamer then anything else? I'll even argue the fact that weaver can probably do a better job then ranger as a side noder without knights amulet.

Hence why i think people ran with Gazelle and SS. Just to be more of a pain in the kitten to deal with overall as a ranger who can't really die and pets that took to long to deal with.

Yeah prot holo def just seems better than core ranger now... if you go like core zerker you can keep the neut through just damage... and you can manage a lot of 1v1s easier with the extra damage but you are susceptible to +'s more and you def cannot tank it out like before.

For 5v5 core ranger prob ain't the play. But I'm sure it still slaughters people in ranked.

Which is again the source of all the problems on the forums. I want to balance around top tier 5v5. And others want to balance around ranked queue.

There is no 5v5 queue, there hasn’t been one in a very long time. It is unlikely there will ever be one again. Will you be kind enough to let this go?

ATs, Monthlies, MOTA, ToL?

I was gonna mention those, but they aren’t a part of ranked queue, which is where the post was going.

Fair, and I'd argue most of the game is ranked queue so... RIP ranger

Laughs in Mesmer.

Laughs in what?

Fine if you want me to be class specific... Laughs in Chrono.

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

@"Odik.4587" said:Funniest thing is... he was very defensive about birds and 2 months laters he basically saying the same as I did... It took 2 month to realize. (apparently "just kill the pet" doesnt work anymore :D )
@Erazik.7059 said:When i made my thread about ranger pets awhile ago u said they are fine and replied with ,,just kill the pet'' . Now what? xd

No you guys are misunderstanding why I don't like birds. Partly because I didn't even really explain it on this thread.

I can kill the bird build, that's not a problem. They die pretty easily and there are strategies you can use to force the pet swap to make it even easier.

The thing that annoys me about fighting birds is that it forces me to dodge swoop and the f2 (skills that have very poor animations) perfectly or I'm going to eat a ton of damage. I can't just relax in ranked while fighting one. I literally have to sit up straight, and keep track of all of the important cooldowns.

Whereas, on their end, all they have to do is f1 and pet swap f2 occasionally to force me to play like that simply because the birds do so much damage.

So, there is counterplay, but the skill and effort required to be successful and effective while using birds is disproportionately low in comparison to what the person fighting them has to put in. Also, I personally find birds incredibly boring to use because of how much damage they do and how easy they are to play. It feels like I turn my brain off as soon as I slot one because all that's required of me is really to just f2 at opportune times to force someone to go on the defensive. No elaborate cc chains involved with birds unlike ss + gazelle.

In other words, it feels like I'm fighting against the build rather than the player.

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

Unfortunately, due to the doubling of the greatsword 2-4 cooldowns and the removal of the auto evade COUPLED with damage nerfs, greatsword dps is fairly hot garbage at the moment and GS4 was reworked into overpoweredness and then cooldown doubled even though the skill was fine for years because who knows why?

So, birds are an easier way to make up for that loss of damage which is why everyone and their mom is running them which is the same reason why the removal of the second pet in combat forced all soulbeasts into sic em or 3 damage traitlines.

Skill ceiling and floor both went way down, ranger became harder to play effectively AND less effective at higher tiers and easier and more effective at low ones which is the opposite of what should have happened.

I heavily disagree with the direction they've been taking with ranger but that's on the skills team mostly.

Eurantien.4632 · May 5, 2020

So you want to nerf something good ranger has because your build is becoming not viable?

The meta is 100% headed in the direction of braindead builds. At least there is some skill ceiling with pet management. and until things get completely brain dead - shaved a little, and power builds can come back... we won't have balance.

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

@Eurantien.4632 said:So you want to nerf something good ranger has because your build is becoming not viable?
The meta is 100% headed in the direction of braindead builds. At least there is some skill ceiling with pet management. and until things get completely brain dead - shaved a little, and power builds can come back... we won't have balance.

No we already talked about this. Smokescale and gazelle are fine and both are better at decapping in conquest.

But I have to put in infinitely more effort to kill people unlike the people who use birds because smokescale and gazelle can't hit for 2k autos and 5k swoops + f2s.

Also, fighting bird builds forces me to play the matchup like I would in a tournament so rather than just being able to relax and play I have to dodge perfectly or my health is just going to go down in huge chunks.

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

I wanna see every class taste what Chrono tasted. Is it logical? HECK NO!No more than it was logical to excrete on Chrono so they have 1 less spec to balance around.But if it's fair for them to do that, it's fair for them to do it for every other spec. Big Brain? I'll let you answer that one for yourselves.

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@shadowpass.4236 said:
@"Odik.4587" said:Funniest thing is... he was very defensive about birds and 2 months laters he basically saying the same as I did... It took 2 month to realize. (apparently "just kill the pet" doesnt work anymore :D )
@"Erazik.7059" said:When i made my thread about ranger pets awhile ago u said they are fine and replied with ,,just kill the pet'' . Now what? xd

No you guys are misunderstanding why I don't like birds. Partly because I didn't even really explain it on this thread.

I can kill the bird build, that's not a problem. They die pretty easily and there are strategies you can use to force the pet swap to make it even easier.

The thing that annoys me about fighting birds is that it forces me to dodge swoop and the f2 (skills that have very poor animations) perfectly or I'm going to eat a ton of damage. I can't just relax in ranked while fighting one. I literally have to sit up straight, and keep track of all of the important cooldowns.

Whereas, on their end, all they have to do is f1 and pet swap f2 occasionally to force me to play like that simply because the birds do so much damage.

So, there is counterplay, but the skill and effort required to be successful and effective while

using

birds is disproportionately low in comparison to what the person fighting them has to put in. Also, I personally find birds incredibly boring to use because of how much damage they do and how easy they are to play. It feels like I turn my brain off as soon as I slot one because all that's required of me is really to just f2 at opportune times to force someone to go on the defensive. No elaborate cc chains involved with birds unlike ss + gazelle.

In other words, it feels like I'm fighting against the build rather than the player.

You don't like birds, cuz they nerfed your class to preserve the bird damage after you spent a month posting how "Ranger is fine". Enjoy your bird.That IS until they rework it to do 50% less damage with a 5 second less swap time "to open up new and creative options."

Eurantien.4632 · May 5, 2020

@shadowpass.4236

You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....

And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?

Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

Azure The Heartless.3261 · May 5, 2020

@shadowpass.4236 said:The thing that annoys me about fighting birds is that it forces me to dodge swoop and the f2 (skills that have very poor animations) perfectly or I'm going to eat a ton of damage. I can't just relax in ranked while fighting one. I literally have to sit up straight, and keep track of all of the important cooldowns.Whereas, on their end, all they have to do is f1 and pet swap f2 occasionally to force me to play like that simply because the birds do so much damage.In other words, it feels like I'm fighting against the build rather than the player.

[[Everyone disliked that, but still begrudgingly agreed with the core of your statement]]

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

If memory serves me well and it does. You've been playing double bird for a while now.

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

I mean we both have different playstyles and it's the same as when you say WS is an issue. I might disagree with it, but your opinion is your opinion and I can still see where you're coming from.

Regardless, the changes to Soulbeast have forced it from a versatile duelist (not talking about bunker boonbeast, that build was brainless) to a gimmick burst build. The changes to Core Ranger have lowered both the skill ceiling and floor from where this class was a few months ago.

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@shadowpass.4236 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

I mean we both have different playstyles and it's the same as when you say WS is an issue. I might disagree with it, but your opinion is your opinion and I can still see where you're coming from.

Regardless, the changes to Soulbeast have forced it from a versatile duelist (not talking about bunker boonbeast, that build was brainless) to a gimmick burst build. The changes to Core Ranger have lowered both the skill ceiling and floor from where this class was a few months ago.

And how is that different than EVERY other change to class mechanics they've done since PoF? They want to make sure 13 yr olds can play the game successfully, who cares that the average age for MMO players has gone up?0

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

I mean we both have different playstyles and it's the same as when you say WS is an issue. I might disagree with it, but your opinion is your opinion and I can still see where you're coming from.

Regardless, the changes to Soulbeast have forced it from a versatile duelist (not talking about bunker boonbeast, that build was brainless) to a gimmick burst build. The changes to Core Ranger have lowered both the skill ceiling and floor from where this class was a few months ago.

And how is that different than EVERY other change to class mechanics they've done since PoF? They want to make sure 13 yr olds can play the game successfully, who cares that the average age for MMO players has gone up?0

I've already said that I disagree with the direction they're taking. I heavily preferred the meta before the february patch.

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@shadowpass.4236 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

I mean we both have different playstyles and it's the same as when you say WS is an issue. I might disagree with it, but your opinion is your opinion and I can still see where you're coming from.

Regardless, the changes to Soulbeast have forced it from a versatile duelist (not talking about bunker boonbeast, that build was brainless) to a gimmick burst build. The changes to Core Ranger have lowered both the skill ceiling and floor from where this class was a few months ago.

And how is that different than EVERY other change to class mechanics they've done since PoF? They want to make sure 13 yr olds can play the game successfully, who cares that the average age for MMO players has gone up?0

I've already said that I disagree with the direction they're taking. I heavily preferred the meta before the february patch.

Doesn't make it right, there comes a time when we as Consumers have to either step up and make our demands, or stop playing altogether.One of the two will happen. It's up to every single one of us to decide which one we'd rather go with.

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

I mean we both have different playstyles and it's the same as when you say WS is an issue. I might disagree with it, but your opinion is your opinion and I can still see where you're coming from.

Regardless, the changes to Soulbeast have forced it from a versatile duelist (not talking about bunker boonbeast, that build was brainless) to a gimmick burst build. The changes to Core Ranger have lowered both the skill ceiling and floor from where this class was a few months ago.

And how is that different than EVERY other change to class mechanics they've done since PoF? They want to make sure 13 yr olds can play the game successfully, who cares that the average age for MMO players has gone up?0

I've already said that I disagree with the direction they're taking. I heavily preferred the meta before the february patch.

Doesn't make it right, there comes a time when we as Consumers have to either step up and make our demands, or stop playing altogether.One of the two will happen. It's up to every single one of us to decide which one we'd rather go with.

Okay I get what you're saying but this thread is about birds and CMC has been doing what he can with what he's allowed to do so give it some time. I have faith in that man. The skills team has been more of a problem in terms of what's been OP and UP.

ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 · May 5, 2020

@shadowpass.4236 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:
@ArlsTipsierAlt.9138 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:
@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol

I mean we both have different playstyles and it's the same as when you say WS is an issue. I might disagree with it, but your opinion is your opinion and I can still see where you're coming from.

Regardless, the changes to Soulbeast have forced it from a versatile duelist (not talking about bunker boonbeast, that build was brainless) to a gimmick burst build. The changes to Core Ranger have lowered both the skill ceiling and floor from where this class was a few months ago.

And how is that different than EVERY other change to class mechanics they've done since PoF? They want to make sure 13 yr olds can play the game successfully, who cares that the average age for MMO players has gone up?0

I've already said that I disagree with the direction they're taking. I heavily preferred the meta before the february patch.

Doesn't make it right, there comes a time when we as Consumers have to either step up and make our demands, or stop playing altogether.One of the two will happen. It's up to every single one of us to decide which one we'd rather go with.

Okay I get what you're saying but this thread is about birds and CMC has been doing what he can with what he's allowed to do so give it some time. I have faith in that man. The skills team has been more of a problem in terms of what's been OP and UP.

They will nerf the bird, that doesn't mean they'll give anything back to Ranger. I already gave you an example of why that won't happen. You know it!

I'm just reveling in that you're finally at the acceptance stage of what is left of Ranger.

shadowpass.4236 · May 5, 2020

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@Eurantien.4632 said:@shadowpass.4236
You wanna play a build you can relax, and you can't relax vs fighting bird rangers....
And when you play birds you're turning your brain off?
Like your build is no longer good and you're gonna have to adapt. I ain't out here crying about how power soulbeast is dead and other things should be nerfed because I can't relax and play zerk soulbeast. I just picked up birds lol