Beginner Mirage Condi gear

[VladDracule.1690]

Im new to GW2, but used a level 80 boost on a mesmer. Ive played through quite a bit of the story (on the 3rd map, first 2 100% completion) but now im running into major dps issues. The only gear i have is soldiers which was given when i did the level boost. What should i be trying to get until i can get ascended viper gear thats easy enough to obtain quickly?

[Coulter.2315]

Sinister, if you cannot get that Rampager would probably be next best since you have some useful crit traits.

[Cyninja.2954]

The easiest and fastest is probably rabid gear (or dire if you run into survival issues).

Sinister gear (trinkets at least) is locked behind LW Season 2 story achievements and Silverwaste farming.

If you have access to Living Wodl Season 3 trinkets, definately get those and turn them into vipers.

Realise though that condi builds for mesmer are in low demand for high end content (not at all for fractals, at best 3 raidbosses in raids if at all). 95% of all groups will want you as chrono in power gear (berserker for pure power, better yet commander/minstrel for more support).

If this is your first character at 80 or the first character you want to equip in full ascended gear (trinkets are easy to get, weapons and armor though are expensive) I would absolutely not recommend condi gear on mesmer. You won't get any good use out of it.

EDIT: also realise that viper exotic gear is also quite expensive.

[Kas.3509]

I just dont understand it.... Who says mirage is not in demand? Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.When they're searching for DPS they won't take mirage because its DPS is too low?? I almost always get top or second best DPS on my mirage in raids (not only Cairn and MO, but also Escort, Samarog, VG).Maybe on standing still golem other classes can do better dmg, but even in VG while being the one who has to run to green circles I was 2nd dps.Mirage shines in roles when you have to do DPS + do something else. All other classes loose so much dps there.

True it doesnt have a lot of utility for a party most of the time but can actually grant ok CC for green bars on bosses actually with almost no DPS loss (signet with stun active, moa, pistol 5) and bring reflects and/or portal.Also mirage is very survivable. Other professions die much more often. If healer goes down for 10 secs I see 50% of party die because they can't survive on their own at all.

Truth is I wouldnt bring my mirage to most of fractals right now, because I dont feel comfortable with many small targets on it due to lack of aoe. But I believe shatter build may be good on trash mobs, didnt try it yet.

People are so weird.... I got a guy in a raid who said "we have 2 mirages, our dps will be too low" and you know what? Every attempt the 2 mirages were top dps and last ones to stand alive. People with arcdps noticed it and told it to that guy. His answer?"Well it doesnt speak good of mirage, it tells that every other dps in this party is weak".People can't accept that dps while standing still on golem =/= dps while running around, dodging and surviving. That's actually sad.

Truth is mirages needs some boosts and tweaks to mechanics because at times they can be very clunky but its a good profession and very fun to play.

Actually I think its better that a new player plays mirage. It's notsuper hard and very fun.Chrono on the other hand.... Most pugs you join will expect you to be one-man-orchestra. Know mechanics perfectly, keep 100% quickness and alarcity, tank, do dps, give out portals and reflects, give invulnerability when its needed and do it all while dancing and singing. Not at all new player friendly specialization. Also the gear is soooo expensive.Sure, chrono can be also super fun and satysfying, sadly a lot of pugs and their expectations will ruin it for you if youre new player and stil learning the mechanics. They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

[Lanhelin.3480]

@Kas.3509 said:Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.

This is a bit OT, because regarding my power build, but I want to add: the golem test in my case is useless too, because it won't hit me and I use a set of Superior Rune of the Privateer (which imo since the Pre-PoF-Balance-Patch is one of the best sets for Power Mesmers) which requires me to get hit to make my 4th companion appear with 50% chance, who then ideally hits about 30 times for 800 to 2k per hit (which means overall additional 30k to 40k dmg points probably) until it disappears and reappears again.

[Agent Noun.7350]

@VladDracule.1690 said:Im new to GW2, but used a level 80 boost on a mesmer. Ive played through quite a bit of the story (on the 3rd map, first 2 100% completion) but now im running into major dps issues. The only gear i have is soldiers which was given when i did the level boost. What should i be trying to get until i can get ascended viper gear thats easy enough to obtain quickly?

Until I went full Viper's, I wore a mix of Carrion (Condition Damage/Power/Vitality) and Rampager (Precision/Power/Condition Damage). Grab some cheap runes that increase your condition duration and you'll be in decent shape.

If you have access to any of the Living World season 3 zones, you can pretty easily get ascended accessories there that you can choose the stats of. If you don't but you're willing to buy one, get Episode 3 (A Crack in the Ice) and farm Winterberries in Bitterfrost Frontier. You can very easily get an ascended ring, earring, and back piece that way and choose their stats, which is an easy source of Viper's accessories. That's not critical in the short-term--you'll be fine with Carrion, Rampager, or even Rabid or Dire--but it can be helpful to know when you're ready to gear up in ascended stuff.

FYI, if you're looking to buy exotic armor, I recommend looking for the named armor set versions instead. They're frequently a lot cheaper for the exact same stats because they come from drops instead of being crafted. Ogden's armor gets you Carrion stats, Norgu's gets you Rampager's, and Khilbron's gets you Rabid.

[Cyninja.2954]

@Kas.3509 said:I just dont understand it.... Who says mirage is not in demand? Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.When they're searching for DPS they won't take mirage because its DPS is too low?? I almost always get top or second best DPS on my mirage in raids (not only Cairn and MO, but also Escort, Samarog, VG).Maybe on standing still golem other classes can do better dmg, but even in VG while being the one who has to run to green circles I was 2nd dps.Mirage shines in roles when you have to do DPS + do something else. All other classes loose so much dps there.

True it doesnt have a lot of utility for a party most of the time but can actually grant ok CC for green bars on bosses actually with almost no DPS loss (signet with stun active, moa, pistol 5) and bring reflects and/or portal.Also mirage is very survivable. Other professions die much more often. If healer goes down for 10 secs I see 50% of party die because they can't survive on their own at all.

Truth is I wouldnt bring my mirage to most of fractals right now, because I dont feel comfortable with many small targets on it due to lack of aoe. But I believe shatter build may be good on trash mobs, didnt try it yet.

People are so weird.... I got a guy in a raid who said "we have 2 mirages, our dps will be too low" and you know what? Every attempt the 2 mirages were top dps and last ones to stand alive. People with arcdps noticed it and told it to that guy. His answer?"Well it doesnt speak good of mirage, it tells that every other dps in this party is weak".People can't accept that dps while standing still on golem =/= dps while running around, dodging and surviving. That's actually sad.

Truth is mirages needs some boosts and tweaks to mechanics because at times they can be very clunky but its a good profession and very fun to play.

Actually I think its better that a new player plays mirage. It's notsuper hard and very fun.Chrono on the other hand.... Most pugs you join will expect you to be one-man-orchestra. Know mechanics perfectly, keep 100% quickness and alarcity, tank, do dps, give out portals and reflects, give invulnerability when its needed and do it all while dancing and singing. Not at all new player friendly specialization. Also the gear is soooo expensive.Sure, chrono can be also super fun and satysfying, sadly a lot of pugs and their expectations will ruin it for you if youre new player and stil learning the mechanics. They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

You can harp about how amazing mirage is in pug groups all you want. It is:

• not demamded at all for fractals
• a lot less demanded than chrono
• it competes on a dps spot for raids
• not part of the meta since most raid leader go with standard comps which bring DH/Firebrand , Weaver/Tempest, Soulbeast, Holosmith

Yes Mirage can bring the damage needed. Every damage class can. You will still be required to run chrono 95% of the time in raids. Suggesting anything else to an inexperienced player is straight up deception.

You can disagree if you want, but at least tell people what they will be facing once they hit level 80 and want to join as many raids as possible as beginners. The best way into raids currently is playing support chrono (not tank).

@Kas.3509 said:They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

I have never seen pugs check alacrity and quickness uptime. Even less now that BGDM is not avilable any more. Unless you are joining 300-400+ LI groups (where I still haven't seen this get checked) I doubt people will care how well you perform. Even less so in trial and training runs which arguably TC will be joining when starting to raid.

[Kas.3509]

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Kas.3509 said:I just dont understand it.... Who says mirage is not in demand? Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.When they're searching for DPS they won't take mirage because its DPS is too low?? I almost always get top or second best DPS on my mirage in raids (not only Cairn and MO, but also Escort, Samarog, VG).Maybe on standing still golem other classes can do better dmg, but even in VG while being the one who has to run to green circles I was 2nd dps.Mirage shines in roles when you have to do DPS + do something else. All other classes loose so much dps there.

True it doesnt have a lot of utility for a party most of the time but can actually grant ok CC for green bars on bosses actually with almost no DPS loss (signet with stun active, moa, pistol 5) and bring reflects and/or portal.Also mirage is very survivable. Other professions die much more often. If healer goes down for 10 secs I see 50% of party die because they can't survive on their own at all.

Truth is I wouldnt bring my mirage to most of fractals right now, because I dont feel comfortable with many small targets on it due to lack of aoe. But I believe shatter build may be good on trash mobs, didnt try it yet.

People are so weird.... I got a guy in a raid who said "we have 2 mirages, our dps will be too low" and you know what? Every attempt the 2 mirages were top dps and last ones to stand alive. People with arcdps noticed it and told it to that guy. His answer?"Well it doesnt speak good of mirage, it tells that every other dps in this party is weak".People can't accept that dps while standing still on golem =/= dps while running around, dodging and surviving. That's actually sad.

Truth is mirages needs some boosts and tweaks to mechanics because at times they can be very clunky but its a good profession and very fun to play.

Actually I think its better that a new player plays mirage. It's notsuper hard and very fun.Chrono on the other hand.... Most pugs you join will expect you to be one-man-orchestra. Know mechanics perfectly, keep 100% quickness and alarcity, tank, do dps, give out portals and reflects, give invulnerability when its needed and do it all while dancing and singing. Not at all new player friendly specialization. Also the gear is soooo expensive.Sure, chrono can be also super fun and satysfying, sadly a lot of pugs and their expectations will ruin it for you if youre new player and stil learning the mechanics. They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

You can harp about how amazing mirage is in pug groups all you want. It is:

• not demamded at all for fractals
• a lot less demanded than chrono
• it competes on a dps spot for raids
• not part of the meta since most raid leader go with standard comps which bring DH/Firebrand , Weaver/Tempest, Soulbeast, Holosmith

Yes Mirage can bring the damage needed. Every damage class can. You will still be required to run chrono 95% of the time in raids. Suggesting anything else to an inexperienced player is straight up deception.

You can disagree if you want, but at least tell people what they will be facing once they hit level 80 and want to join as many raids as possible as beginners. The best way into raids currently is playing support chrono (not tank).

@Kas.3509 said:They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

I have never seen pugs check alacrity and quickness uptime. Even less now that BGDM is not avilable any more. Unless you are joining 300-400+ LI groups (where I still haven't seen this get checked) I doubt people will care how well you perform. Even less so in trial and training runs which arguably TC will be joining when starting to raid.

To be quite honest -> I once got kicked from a raid group, TRAINING raid group because the person checked than my uptime was not 100%. It was not below 90% though...And I meet with this on daily basis, with people complaining on buffs uptime. They're so used to 100% time they get lost in rotations if they loose it for a few secs.

I never said mirage is highly in demand, I also never said that chrono is less in demand. That's the truth, most players will beg you to go chrono. But that's a new player asking this question.And about raid I dont think its good for begginer to go to raids on chrno from all classes... playing dps is easiest to learn basic raid mechanics and complete a few first raids. On training runs people will take mirage with no problems.

Also... OP asked about Mirage gear because he wants to play Mirage. Convncing him to play meta because "people want him to" is sad.Chrono is honestly the least new player friendly class ever. Expensive gear, longest rotation, boring with low dmg when playing solo while exploring the world and people expect you're undestryable and know everything.

Why would anyone EVER recommend new player to switch to chrono? The new player who said he has DPS issues and you suggest to switch to chrono? When his problem are dps issues? That's just stupid. He asked for gear and advice for exploring the maps, not for raids and T4 fractals. Obviously if he just joined the game and used lvl 80 boost its better for him to just have fun on a dps spec and go around seeing the game, getting to know mechanics etc. instead of hopping onto one of most complicated specs with low dmg and very boring gameplay.

[Amethyst Lure.5624]

I think Rampager gear is a good starting point personally, or at least gear with power/crit/condition. Carrion's allright but I never really find myself needing the vitality all that much, if it's PvE anyway. You can just evade so much, and it encourages you to get the hang of it without being overly punishing given mesmer base hp being decent. If you are a bit strapped for cash, and plan on buying the gear from TP, make sure you search for the stat combination - sometimes there are cheaper alternatives with the same stats, particularly with exotics.

If you plan to start in open world, i also recommend having a staff in your bags, or have a scepter in your other weapon set.

[Kobeathris.3645]

Assuming you don't have easy access to Sinister or Viper, I like Rabid stats. You still get Condition Damage as the primary stat, which you do not get with Rampager, and Illusions inherit your Toughness, so it makes them more durable as well, plus if you go Chaos, the toughness bumps your Condi damage even more. It's a good set to start with , and as you get more comfortable with avoiding damage, it just gets better as you trade to Sinister/Viper.

[Levetty.1279]

@Kas.3509 said:I just dont understand it.... Who says mirage is not in demand? Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.When they're searching for DPS they won't take mirage because its DPS is too low??

Mirage has good numbers on golem. Its not taken because its trash everywhere else.

[Cyninja.2954]

@Kas.3509 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Kas.3509 said:I just dont understand it.... Who says mirage is not in demand? Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.When they're searching for DPS they won't take mirage because its DPS is too low?? I almost always get top or second best DPS on my mirage in raids (not only Cairn and MO, but also Escort, Samarog, VG).Maybe on standing still golem other classes can do better dmg, but even in VG while being the one who has to run to green circles I was 2nd dps.Mirage shines in roles when you have to do DPS + do something else. All other classes loose so much dps there.

True it doesnt have a lot of utility for a party most of the time but can actually grant ok CC for green bars on bosses actually with almost no DPS loss (signet with stun active, moa, pistol 5) and bring reflects and/or portal.Also mirage is very survivable. Other professions die much more often. If healer goes down for 10 secs I see 50% of party die because they can't survive on their own at all.

Truth is I wouldnt bring my mirage to most of fractals right now, because I dont feel comfortable with many small targets on it due to lack of aoe. But I believe shatter build may be good on trash mobs, didnt try it yet.

People are so weird.... I got a guy in a raid who said "we have 2 mirages, our dps will be too low" and you know what? Every attempt the 2 mirages were top dps and last ones to stand alive. People with arcdps noticed it and told it to that guy. His answer?"Well it doesnt speak good of mirage, it tells that every other dps in this party is weak".People can't accept that dps while standing still on golem =/= dps while running around, dodging and surviving. That's actually sad.

Truth is mirages needs some boosts and tweaks to mechanics because at times they can be very clunky but its a good profession and very fun to play.

Actually I think its better that a new player plays mirage. It's notsuper hard and very fun.Chrono on the other hand.... Most pugs you join will expect you to be one-man-orchestra. Know mechanics perfectly, keep 100% quickness and alarcity, tank, do dps, give out portals and reflects, give invulnerability when its needed and do it all while dancing and singing. Not at all new player friendly specialization. Also the gear is soooo expensive.Sure, chrono can be also super fun and satysfying, sadly a lot of pugs and their expectations will ruin it for you if youre new player and stil learning the mechanics. They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

You can harp about how amazing mirage is in pug groups all you want. It is:

• not demamded at all for fractals
• a lot less demanded than chrono
• it competes on a dps spot for raids
• not part of the meta since most raid leader go with standard comps which bring DH/Firebrand , Weaver/Tempest, Soulbeast, Holosmith

Yes Mirage can bring the damage needed. Every damage class can. You will still be required to run chrono 95% of the time in raids. Suggesting anything else to an inexperienced player is straight up deception.

You can disagree if you want, but at least tell people what they will be facing once they hit level 80 and want to join as many raids as possible as beginners. The best way into raids currently is playing support chrono (not tank).

@Kas.3509 said:They were 10% of time without quickness? Kick. You died, but you are supposed to be super tanky! Kick.You didnt save your party with invulnerability because they can't dodge a circle? Your fault obviously. Kick.

I have never seen pugs check alacrity and quickness uptime. Even less now that BGDM is not avilable any more. Unless you are joining 300-400+ LI groups (where I still haven't seen this get checked) I doubt people will care how well you perform. Even less so in trial and training runs which arguably TC will be joining when starting to raid.

To be quite honest -> I once got kicked from a raid group, TRAINING raid group because the person checked than my uptime was not 100%. It was not below 90% though...And I meet with this on daily basis, with people complaining on buffs uptime. They're so used to 100% time they get lost in rotations if they loose it for a few secs.

I never said mirage is highly in demand, I also never said that chrono is less in demand. That's the truth, most players will beg you to go chrono. But that's a new player asking this question.And about raid I dont think its good for begginer to go to raids on chrno from all classes... playing dps is easiest to learn basic raid mechanics and complete a few first raids. On training runs people will take mirage with no problems.

Also... OP asked about Mirage gear because he wants to play Mirage. Convncing him to play meta because "people want him to" is sad.Chrono is honestly the least new player friendly class ever. Expensive gear, longest rotation, boring with low dmg when playing solo while exploring the world and people expect you're undestryable and know everything.

Why would anyone EVER recommend new player to switch to chrono? The new player who said he has DPS issues and you suggest to switch to chrono? When his problem are dps issues? That's just stupid. He asked for gear and advice for exploring the maps, not for raids and T4 fractals. Obviously if he just joined the game and used lvl 80 boost its better for him to just have fun on a dps spec and go around seeing the game, getting to know mechanics etc. instead of hopping onto one of most complicated specs with low dmg and very boring gameplay.

TC is asking about ascended vipers gear. I gave recommendations on what he can use before crafting his ascdended vipers gear.

I then proceeded to explain to him what will be in demand for when he does reach level 80 and decides to play endgame content. I never said he MUST go chrono, I recommended he goes chrono and starts getting some experience with it. The reason is simple, before he starts crafting or spending his hard earned gold on a gear set which will eventually be useless on his first 80, he might as well make something useful. The first ascended set is a huge time investment and should be chosen carefully least someone loses interest in the game.

Why someone would recommend a new player to play Mirage (which on top of that is the ONLY spec ingame which has no normal dodge) is beyond me. It's probably the worst spec to recommend to a new player. Even base condi mesmer or condi chrono would serve as a better recommendation.

[Ojimaru.8970]

@Levetty.1279 said:

@Kas.3509 said:I just dont understand it.... Who says mirage is not in demand? Only people who do not play the game and their only measure of how good professsion is, is a golem test.When they're searching for DPS they won't take mirage because its DPS is too low??

Mirage has good numbers on golem. Its not taken because its trash everywhere else.

I would like to offer some context for consideration.

Mirage damage is reliant, for the large part, on Phantasmal Duelists. This means they benefit less from raid buffs like Spirit of Frost, Banners, and even Alacrity due to the target limit of these effects. Therefore, in a perfect raid setting, they scale worse than, say, a Scourge. On the other hand, this drawback also means that Mirages are less affected by imperfect buff uptimes, or even the lack of specific buffs (due to non-meta compositions, bad placement, etc.). This is why, for example, you're more likely to see a Mirage top DPS in PUG Fractals without a competent Chrono and Druid, and conversely, fall off should these support players be present.

[Kas.3509]

Honestly? I would advice any new player to just enjoy the game and just keep away from people who play only meta. They're play the same mini game with the exact the same team composition every time they do a raid or any other more difficult content. There's no fun and no challenge in that and I'd say a new player is better off staying as far from elitist people as he can, especially that basically all content can be finished with no chrono at all and it will be fun too, just not 100% efficient and fast.

[Cyninja.2954]

@Kas.3509 said:Honestly? I would advice any new player to just enjoy the game and just keep away from people who play only meta. They're play the same mini game with the exact the same team composition every time they do a raid or any other more difficult content. There's no fun and no challenge in that and I'd say a new player is better off staying as far from elitist people as he can, especially that basically all content can be finished with no chrono at all and it will be fun too, just not 100% efficient and fast.

Which is all fine and dandy until one realises that the 800 gold one spent on the first ascended set was basically gold down the drain.

The content you are talking about does not require ascended gear, thus recommending or warning a new player that he should not craft a useless set first is valid.A brainless monkey can finish the solo content in this game. Notice how my recommendation was based around group content.

There is enough people who are not elitist who will value a mesmer far more as chrono than as mirage and very likely pick chrono over mirage in their groups.

[Jephery.8915]

Filtering out people who don't play to the meta is just a quick and easy way to filter out people who don't do even the barest amount of research.

If someone didn't even take the time to look up a meta build, they probably didn't bother to learn the instance/encounter either.

[Kas.3509]

Yeah... because gw2 is such a difficult game lol. Let's be honest, GW2 has quite easy content doable by any class on almost any build. I never understand why would someone want to do e.g. raid in 5 mins instead of 10. It's such a HUGE waste of time really :P As long as you're able to finish it with no bigger problems it should be ok.I understand it in games like WoW, DDO etc. where 1 raid can sometimes take hours, but in GW2? Not so much.

I prefer people trying out what THEY think can work instead of just copy+paste something someone else put together for them on meta page. It shows they can think for themselves and are intelligent enough to do the harder content without being babysitted through it because they actually have their own brain. And it also shows they realize that game is for fun not for being 100% best superhero who repeats the same rotation over and over again, rotation he also copied from some meta page.

[FaboBabo.3581]

" dealing 75% of the highest dps possible right now while u can do it save and reliable due to dodges etc is USELESS"

This is exactly the elitist Casual Players hate.

OP asks for a mirage build and you recommend chrono.

Wtf ???

[FaboBabo.3581]

@Jephery.8915 said:Filtering out people who don't play to the meta is just a quick and easy way to filter out people who don't do even the barest amount of research.

If someone didn't even take the time to look up a meta build, they probably didn't bother to learn the instance/encounter either.

Oh well maybe those players dont want to gear up 2 months to raid 3 houres a week. Maybe they want there set for wvw too. Maybe they want to experience the MMO rather then makro buttons 1-9 and go afk. Maybe they want a Challenge for their own build instead of repeatingly do the same every week with the same results....

Maybe OP wants to play mirage and not chrono ? But yeah force him to play what u want him to play , so he can leave the Game After he realizes he does not like chrono , but is not ALLOWED to play anything else.

Keep speedrun raiders for themselve and open up casual raiding.

[Cyninja.2954]

@FaboBabo.3581 said:" dealing 75% of the highest dps possible right now while u can do it save and reliable due to dodges etc is USELESS"

This is exactly the elitist Casual Players hate.

OP asks for a mirage build and you recommend chrono.

kitten ???

Go and read what I actually wrote, wait let me link it:

@Cyninja.2954 said:The easiest and fastest is probably rabid gear (or dire if you run into survival issues).

Sinister gear (trinkets at least) is locked behind LW Season 2 story achievements and Silverwaste farming.

If you have access to Living Wodl Season 3 trinkets, definately get those and turn them into vipers.

Realise though that condi builds for mesmer are in low demand for high end content (not at all for fractals, at best 3 raidbosses in raids if at all). 95% of all groups will want you as chrono in power gear (berserker for pure power, better yet commander/minstrel for more support).

If this is your first character at 80 or the first character you want to equip in full ascended gear (trinkets are easy to get, weapons and armor though are expensive) I would absolutely not recommend condi gear on mesmer. You won't get any good use out of it.

EDIT: also realise that viper exotic gear is also quite expensive.

Now get off your inequality Mirage is fine bla bla bla horse, read WHAT I wrote, realise I was informing TC (who is new and inexperienced) about the state of the game giving him information to follow up.

The only people derailing this thread are you and Kas who have taken personal issue with me stating what every experienced mesmer knows:

• Chrono is in demand (and runs power builds in group compositions), Mirage is not
• Viper gear is expensive
• Mirage has a unique dodge mechanic (which I see as detriment since practicing on mirage will not let you get used to how 26 other classes/elites in this game work)

TC can take this information and use it as he sees fit unlike your proposal of withholding this information from him letting him run into a wall.

@FaboBabo.3581 said:

@Jephery.8915 said:Filtering out people who don't play to the meta is just a quick and easy way to filter out people who don't do even the barest amount of research.

If someone didn't even take the time to look up a meta build, they probably didn't bother to learn the instance/encounter either.

Oh well maybe those players dont want to gear up 2 months to raid 3 houres a week. Maybe they want there set for wvw too. Maybe they want to experience the MMO rather then makro buttons 1-9 and go afk. Maybe they want a Challenge for their own build instead of repeatingly do the same every week with the same results....

Maybe OP wants to play mirage and not chrono ? But yeah force him to play what u want him to play , so he can leave the Game After he realizes he does not like chrono , but is not ALLOWED to play anything else.

Keep speedrun raiders for themselve and open up casual raiding.

and no one expects them to. Now though TC will have the option to decide for himself. He can stick to playing mirage if he enjoys it, he can read up on chrono and the current endgame meta and what is in demand and stick with mirage or switch to chrono.

You are literally feeding on the fact that TC is inexperienced and are actively complaining that people are providing information (which you disagree with or don't like).

[FaboBabo.3581]

95% of gw 2 isnt high end Content. I could do Everything up to t2 fracs with 4k dps condi chrono without boon Duration. I was never asked to change my build etc bla. Im not trying more then t2 fracs since i dont need it for gold or other things. Raids is the Other Content i never Touched cause every group demands perfect builds rotation etc. So pls dont tell him that 95 % of the Community is asking for anything. Its only those raiders , and maybe t3/t4 - fractal speedrunners.

So yeah if u want to do the same over and over again without any change in rotation or result ; Play meta boonshare chrono.

If u want to play the game , build something u Think is interesting.

OP asked for mirage builds , not for our opinion on mirage builds vs chrono builds in high end pve.

OP walks into a car store asking for a VW.

Ur answer ; deer sir VW is Bullshit , no celebrity will date u unless u get a Ford.

OP walks into the next carshop...

[Cyninja.2954]

@FaboBabo.3581 said:95% of gw 2 isnt high end Content. I could do Everything up to t2 fracs with 4k dps condi chrono without boon Duration. I was never asked to change my build etc bla. Im not trying more then t2 fracs since i dont need it for gold or other things. Raids is the Other Content i never Touched cause every group demands perfect builds rotation etc. So pls dont tell him that 95 % of the Community is asking for anything. Its only those raiders , and maybe t3/t4 - fractal speedrunners.

So yeah if u want to do the same over and over again without any change in rotation or result ; Play meta boonshare chrono.

If u want to play the game , build something u Think is interesting.

OP asked for mirage builds , not for our opinion on mirage builds vs chrono builds in high end pve.

OP walks into a car store asking for a VW.

Ur answer ; deer sir VW is kitten , no celebrity will date u unless u get a Ford.

OP walks into the next carshop...

OP stated that he is new at the game. He asked a question which was answered (by the way, better by me than you since all you've been doing is complaining so far in this thread with literally 0 contribution to TCs question).

I then proceeded to give him advice which I would give any new player in the hopes of giving him information to improve his longterm understanding, knowledge and hopefully enjoyment of the game. How he choses to use this knowledge is up to him and for neither me nor you to decide. This is a MMO after all and MMOs depend on people playing together, hence my recommendations were aimed at group content.

You have done nothing but complain in this thread while providing nothing as far as useful contribution in concern to TCs original question except for bringing your "mirage is fine bla bla bla" agenda here.

Want to be productive? You could have expanded upon mirages usefulness in pve and explained what it's streangths are. Instead you chose to complain complain complain. Kinda toxic don't you think?

[FaboBabo.3581]

Should i repeat everyone above me ? Yeah sinister, dire rabid.

We are not talking about usefullness. We are talking about " Beginner condi mirage gear".

Im gonna "quote" u again."75% dmg dps from the most avaible dps right now is useless"

Oh i realized u edited ur post so it sounds more nice now.

U first statement was ; condi set for mirage is uselesss, just to make clear what i'm referring to.

And im gonna say it again u can do high end content with mirage on condi gear.

[Cyninja.2954]

@FaboBabo.3581 said:Should i repeat everyone above me ? Yeah sinister, dire rabid.

You could have added different game modes, given recommendations as to what the gear is good for, expanded upon what mirages strengths are, etc.

There is a ton of things you could have done, but you didn't.

@FaboBabo.3581 said:

We are not talking about usefullness. We are talking about " Beginner condi mirage gear".

We are talking about beginner condi mirage who wants to make an ascended set! Have you actually read the TC post before going all batshit insane complainy here?

My recommendation was towards ASCNEDED SET. Want me to requote myself again or will that reading comprehension set in eventually?

@FaboBabo.3581 said:Im gonna "quote" u again."75% dmg dps from the most avaible dps right now is useless"

Please do quote where I said that in this thread? Those are your own words you are trying to put in my mouth.

@FaboBabo.3581 said:

Oh i realized u edited ur post so it sounds more nice now.

I edited spelling and added 2-3 sentences. I did not remove or change any existing sentences of already existing text. Nice try though.

@FaboBabo.3581 said:U first statement was ; condi set for mirage is uselesss, just to make clear what i'm referring to.

Go read what I wrote in my original 2 posts from yesterday. No those have not been edited. My first statements where: mirage is way less demanded than chrono.

[Cyninja.2954]

As far as your car salesman example, you really might want to rethink that one and think about which salesman I represent and which one you are. It does not paint you in a good light. If you want I'll gladly expand upon that example and show you who of both salesman is of greater benefit to the customer.