should full marauder's scepter weaver oneshot?

You are think it is ok for full marauder's scepter weaver to be able to oneshot people?

Yes, I'm okay with that. Those White Mantle had it coming.

Scepter doesn't 1 shot reaaaaally. There are a few multi hits within that split second time; so it's more like a 5-7 shot.

There shouldn't be 1 shots in the game. Doesn't matter how many skills you need to pull it off, killing someone within 0,3 seconds is still a one shot. The problem is, any nerf to this build might affect the entire class in a negative way. Because ele is currently not really among the strongest classes in the game. So the problem of fixing scepter marauder weavers 1 shotting people is quite a complex one that needs to be handled with a lot of perception.

Indeed, their shouldn't be one-shots in the game. Especially not in PvP. Only high-end PvE bosses should be able to one-shot. Like in raids.

One shotting noobs indeed.i can t believe that people are whinning on squishy fresh air weaver when spellbreaker are the real god.Fresh air weaver is just food for thief-mirage-spellbreaker-scourge and any condition spec.

Death Judgment = one shotGunflame = one shotGravedigger = one shotBackstab = one shotMind wrack + mirror blade = one shotMaul = one shotCoalescence of ruin = one shot

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Combining over 6 spells in the span of 1 second, a grandmaster trait, and heavily relying on stability or auto cleanse traits to not be up =/= one shot.

Core elementalist can also nuke hard, especially on s/d. They have been able to for 5 years.

Ele doesn't have stealth, 1500 range, gimmicks or a myriad chances to pull this off. If you feel this needs a nerf, get all those other classes nerfed first, then you can come back. Thank you.

@Razor.6392 said:Gravedigger = one shot

lolwat

Gravedigger is max 9k on a marauder build. Ghastly Claws actually has a higher damage potential than gravedigger does. (not that Ghastly Claws ever reaches in that potential in PvP because of how awkward GC's damage modifier is.)

It's a very gimmicky build and others would even call it a one trick pony. It's not a one shot but to make fair comparisons, gimmicky multi-hit builds like vanilla Static Discharge and Hundred 'Nades Engi got nerfed in the past. However, the second Hundred 'Nades variant (Mine Field) was left alone because it didn't receive enough spotlight.

So TL;DR I guess it depends on how many people QQ about it knowing that it's mostly a one trick pony.

The easiest way to hit all of the oneshot type of builds in one go is lowering how much damage amulets give to begin with. Amulet nerfing/toning.

@Kyon.9735 said:It's a very gimmicky build and others would even call it a one trick pony. It's not a one shot but to make fair comparisons, gimmicky multi-hit builds like vanilla Static Discharge and Hundred 'Nades Engi got nerfed in the past. However, the second Hundred 'Nades variant (Mine Field) was left alone because it didn't receive enough spotlight.

So TL;DR I guess it depends on how many people QQ about it knowing that it's mostly a one trick pony.

Hundred nades was a literal 1 hit with zero chance to react. Here you can break stun at least.

https://clips.twitch.tv/KathishPluckyDragonflyBuddhaBar

^^ full zerker ele tho

No single build should be able to take out anything else single-handedly in less than 3 seconds.

I'd go as far as setting up a mechanic that staggers any damage from a single source past a certain DPS. All the damage received from a single source would still have its effect, but it would be delayed and dealt over time under the DPS cap. The only exceptions to this would be boss attacks meant to take down players in 1 hit if not avoided.

Of course, since this limit would be on the source, 3 players would still be able to 1-shot another if they work together, or 2 players quickly kill someone in 2 seconds. But a lone player would always need 3 seconds to take down someone else.

On this I'm including not only fights between players, but even NPCS. Like the low HP level 2 creatures in hearts in starting areas. It is not fun for a new player when they keep trying to spawm wurms to kill them to advance a heart only to get the wurms 1-shot by some other guy before they can even touch them.

no thank you

so vice versa is there any skill(s) that come to your mind that could oneshot a 13k hp no toughness ele?

begging for non oneshot builds should keep in mind that it goes both ways.

@MithranArkanere.8957 said:No single build should be able to take out anything else single-handedly in less than 3 seconds.

I'd go as far as setting up a mechanic that staggers any damage from a single source past a certain DPS. All the damage received from a single source would still have its effect, but it would be delayed and dealt over time under the DPS cap. The only exceptions to this would be boss attacks meant to take down players in 1 hit if not avoided.

Of course, since this limit would be on the source, 3 players would still be able to 1-shot another if they work together, or 2 players quickly kill someone in 2 seconds. But a lone player would always need 3 seconds to take down someone else.

On this I'm including not only fights between players, but even NPCS. Like the low HP level 2 creatures in hearts in starting areas. It is not fun for a new player when they keep trying to spawm wurms to kill them to advance a heart only to get the wurms 1-shot by some other guy before they can even touch them.

Dang it's a good thing you're not in charge of game balance :p

It's kind of hard to respond to this considering theres some classes out there which are ridiculously op, way over-tuned or just terribly designed for pvp out there now.

If you build as glass you can break like glass... balance is a multi-faceted problem.

@juno.1840 said:If you build as glass you can break like glass... balance is a multi-faceted problem.

decreasing max offense on these defenseless amulets kinda takes away the concept of glass into more balanced if you really think about it.

decreasing power/condi/etc is almost like giving everyone toughness both mean less damage.

@Hurtappl.6405 said:https://clips.twitch.tv/KathishPluckyDragonflyBuddhaBarThat burn FB could have done the same with the fresh air weaver (port -> burst -> instakill) - if he actually played a condi build and not some weird hybrid damage thing where 12 burns tick with lousy 3k damage like in the video.

Someone who has played pretty much Warrior and thief, I recently got into my Ele and using staff I must say the amount of effort you need to be good on ele vs warrior or thief is huge.

Not only that your squishy. Ele is indeed hard and honestly with full marauder staff I don't feel like I pull off the same burst damage as my deadeye or warrior.

Who cares about oneshots... There is just to much dps in this game for what limited health pool all classes have. Let the ele keeps there one shot combo, cos it's not different to 6/7 auto attacks.

Core freash air ele dose it better and yes it should do a lot of dmg because ele as a class has no means of dealing with healing boons and blocks. Ele is comply unable to deal with any type of dmg mitigation.

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Razor.6392 said:Gravedigger = one shot

Nah gravedigger can 1 shot a Thief and some Mesmer 1 hit builds... As Juno said:

@juno.1840 said:If you build as glass you can break like glass... balance is a multi-faceted problem.

Although it's not exactly viable, it's still do-able.