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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=425615431549595

Might be taken down shortly if it was a mistake BUT hype.

Quoting Balthazar scriptures, but who is it that's quoting? My first thought is obviously Zafirah, but it doesn't look like she's in a mood to be waxing philosophical in the very same trailer. Can someone more talented with picking out voices chip in?

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  • Genesis.8572Genesis.8572 Member ✭✭✭

    Probably Zafirah.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    In the book of Balthazar it is written:

    War is life, and life is brief. Death comes.

    But death is not death, that breathes life into others,

    And life is not life, that never dares to risk.

    The world is loss and grief, and faith, and hope.

    Then take heart, and rejoin the war eternal.

    For it may be that death is not the end,

    But possibly the end of the beginning.

    The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.

    H. P. Lovecraft

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=425615431549595

    Might be taken down shortly if it was a mistake BUT hype.

    Quoting Balthazar scriptures, but who is it that's quoting? My first thought is obviously Zafirah, but it doesn't look like she's in a mood to be waxing philosophical in the very same trailer. Can someone more talented with picking out voices chip in?

    It's Cherise Boothe's voice, so it's certainly Zafirah's voice.

    The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.

    H. P. Lovecraft

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019

    I Have No friends, so I Must pug

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭

    Different forum. :)

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=425615431549595

    Might be taken down shortly if it was a mistake BUT hype.

    Quoting Balthazar scriptures, but who is it that's quoting? My first thought is obviously Zafirah, but it doesn't look like she's in a mood to be waxing philosophical in the very same trailer. Can someone more talented with picking out voices chip in?

    No mistake, it has also been released on the usual official YouTube channel:

    :)

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  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeup just saw. Exciting!

    Lore-wise I'm still pleased that it looks like they're going with the idea that no one really has a plan. And I also like that this Balthazar scripture is quite nice.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Whoa! No look at the new map?... actually I kind of like it. We’re so lost right now as the commander having basically lost our daughter, and not telling us as players anything about the map gives us a sense of directionlessness too (yes I know that isn’t a word).

    HARRY! DIDYA PUT YER NAME IN DA GOBLET OF FIYAH?!

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Yeup just saw. Exciting!

    Lore-wise I'm still pleased that it looks like they're going with the idea that no one really has a plan. And I also like that this Balthazar scripture is quite nice.

    Let's just hope that it doesn't end up like the "solution" to killing Mordremoth, and it just pops in from nowhere at the last moment after we mindlessly chased into the heart of enemy territory and confronted Kralkatorrik head-on.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Yeup just saw. Exciting!

    Lore-wise I'm still pleased that it looks like they're going with the idea that no one really has a plan. And I also like that this Balthazar scripture is quite nice.

    Let's just hope that it doesn't end up like the "solution" to killing Mordremoth, and it just pops in from nowhere at the last moment after we mindlessly chased into the heart of enemy territory and confronted Kralkatorrik head-on.

    That is exactly my concern and I'm struggling to see how it can be any other way given we will have maybe half an episode to find an alternative solution to one we've been working on for multiple arcs

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019

    I think the final battle will be us with ghost Aurene vs kralk.

    Yes, Aurene is still dead and after this final battle she will stay dead since she is now part of the Mist but it will bring a end to the Aurene arc knowing she can be with her Family in the Mist after we finally defeat Kralk. Will not be surprised that she knew from the beginning the only way to defeat kralk was for her to die and become a Ghost Dragon and only then can she be strong enough to kill Kralk while also knowing it will mean her story will end with kralk's death.

    Then the only question remains, what will be our new solution to the Elder Dragon problem after our final good bye to Aurene.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    Or before. We cannot kill Kralkatorrik without a replacement, and if ghosts could become replacements, then why hasn't Glint continued the battle instead of sending her children to do it. And if Aurene's to "remain in the Mists" due to being dead, how does that help solve the issue of Tyria's balance of The All?

    They've left a very big issue to be solved. This episode practically requires to be twice the length of others at least to not make it feel like a massive dues ex machina (ala aforementioned Mordremoth's weakness).

    That is why there is another season arriving right after this season instead of a expanion.

    I am guessing next season focus is to deal with the loss of Aurene as the "Solution" and to discover another that leads us into exploring the new Season 5 Region.

    A part of me hope it may bring in Utopia or what remains of Utopia since we only got a glimps of the place from the teaser arts back in GW1 being a city of time

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  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019

    Maybe there will be a lull time before the world is fully destroyed by the imbalance of the All, and Season 5 will be the solution to that. Or something will happen that can stabalise Tyria for a time but is by no means a permanent solution.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think Kraalkatorik fatigue is setting in for the story (LS4 and PoF, not to mention DE backstory), plus it's hard to escalate further from where things are now, and on that basis I predict we will be wrapping up his arc next week. Ep5 is the darkest, so Ep6 is the dawn. And I'm pretty sure that Aurene is dealing with a You Must Die to Advance sort of scenario (i.e., literal Crystal Dragon Jesus), so she'll be back in our moment of darkest despair to offer a solution that doesn't involve certain failure or destroying the world. I am pretty confident that, by the time the dust settles from the episode, there will either be a new Elder Dragon, a new (or new to us, anyway) god of War, or both.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    Or before. We cannot kill Kralkatorrik without a replacement, and if ghosts could become replacements, then why hasn't Glint continued the battle instead of sending her children to do it. And if Aurene's to "remain in the Mists" due to being dead, how does that help solve the issue of Tyria's balance of The All?

    They've left a very big issue to be solved. This episode practically requires to be twice the length of others at least to not make it feel like a massive dues ex machina (ala aforementioned Mordremoth's weakness).

    That is why there is another season arriving right after this season instead of a expanion.

    I am guessing next season focus is to deal with the loss of Aurene as the "Solution" and to discover another that leads us into exploring the new Season 5 Region.

    A part of me hope it may bring in Utopia or what remains of Utopia since we only got a glimps of the place from the teaser arts back in GW1 being a city of time

    800px-%22The_Hub_of_Time%22_concept_art.jpg

    That plot would require Kralkatorrik to survive this episode. And by the sounds of it, Kralkatorrik dies in War Eternal. Or is otherwise dealt with in a permanent fashion.

    Or some kitten-pull where everything we've been told for the past year and a half was a lie.

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  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    That plot would require Kralkatorrik to survive this episode. And by the sounds of it, Kralkatorrik dies in War Eternal. Or is otherwise dealt with in a permanent fashion.

    Or some kitten-pull where everything we've been told for the past year and a half was a lie.

    This is most likely a Yes and No answer.

    Yes we kill Kralkatorrik and No Aurene is not the only solution so she say her final goodbye to us after we defeat Kralk to remain in the Mist and be with her Family so that the other Elder Dragons cannot use their new powers to enter the Mist like Kralk did.

    We only believed Aurene was the only solution because no one could find any other solution or present to us a actual alternative solution.

    However, I am almost certain we will be presented with a alternate solution at the end of this Season or get teased for it as a setup for Season 5 storyline.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    That plot would require Kralkatorrik to survive this episode. And by the sounds of it, Kralkatorrik dies in War Eternal. Or is otherwise dealt with in a permanent fashion.

    Or some kitten-pull where everything we've been told for the past year and a half was a lie.

    This is most likely a Yes and No answer.

    Yes we kill Kralkatorrik and No Aurene is not the only solution so she say her final goodbye to us after we defeat Kralk to remain in the Mist and be with her Family so that the other Elder Dragons cannot use their new powers to enter the Mist like Kralk did.

    We only believed Aurene was the only solution because no one could find any other solution or present to us a actual alternative solution.

    However, I am almost certain we will be presented with a alternate solution at the end of this Season or get teased for it as a setup for Season 5 storyline.

    Lol All the people complaining about Aurene despite having s several year build up for this sole purpose only to have us discover in a fraction the amount of time some new solution will be thrilled. I personally hope not, but the edgelords and backseat professional writers would probably be pleased for the sole reason that Aurenes death kept its “emotional impact” and wasn’t #cheapened.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    That plot would require Kralkatorrik to survive this episode. And by the sounds of it, Kralkatorrik dies in War Eternal. Or is otherwise dealt with in a permanent fashion.

    Or some kitten-pull where everything we've been told for the past year and a half was a lie.

    This is most likely a Yes and No answer.

    Yes we kill Kralkatorrik and No Aurene is not the only solution so she say her final goodbye to us after we defeat Kralk to remain in the Mist and be with her Family so that the other Elder Dragons cannot use their new powers to enter the Mist like Kralk did.

    We only believed Aurene was the only solution because no one could find any other solution or present to us a actual alternative solution.

    However, I am almost certain we will be presented with a alternate solution at the end of this Season or get teased for it as a setup for Season 5 storyline.

    You're misunderstanding.

    "Everything we've been told for the past year and a half" was telling us that we cannot kill Kralkatorrik or any other Elder Dragon without a replacement. Be that replacement be for Zhaitan or Mordremoth, or for the one we're trying to kill (atm Kralkatorrik). We also always knew that we'd need more replacements in the future since we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons or world is destroyed - but that was meant to be a "problem for later" because we had Aurene.

    In other words, Episode 6, if we kill Kralkatorrik, will require us to have a replacement ready. If Season 5 is to focus on finding another solution, then we cannot kill Kralkatorrik in Season 4 without also destroying the world (which is obviously a no). Simple as that.

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  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    a minimum of four living Elder

    pretty sure that's not the case.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    a minimum of four living Elder

    pretty sure that's not the case.

    That was pretty much the entire plot point of stopping Balthazar. If one more Elder Dragon dies, the world dies. Two have died, four live. So if three die, the world dies. Which means we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons.

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  • Aeon.4583Aeon.4583 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    Oh my... You forgetting that Aurene possibly do 'I'am Joko' trick. =)

    P.s. Ending of Season 5 either will be Joko trick, or season 6 will be filled with alot of time travel and undoing past mistakes by our Commander. So we wait and see.
    We have Chronomancers and Temporal anomalies that help us travel in time.

    Since time travel is really a trend nowdays in movies and games, why GW2 should stay in back?

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    a minimum of four living Elder

    pretty sure that's not the case.

    That was pretty much the entire plot point of stopping Balthazar. If one more Elder Dragon dies, the world dies. Two have died, four live. So if three die, the world dies. Which means we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons.

    M and Z were opposing. The random solution could always be that, having somehow killed K, we must locate and kill S, posthaste. I doubt it, but it makes some sort of sense. LS5: Hope You Like UW Combat.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    a minimum of four living Elder

    pretty sure that's not the case.

    That was pretty much the entire plot point of stopping Balthazar. If one more Elder Dragon dies, the world dies. Two have died, four live. So if three die, the world dies. Which means we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons.

    from what i got it's more a case of 2 dead elder dragons is slowly killing the world with a chance of recovery while 3 dead EDs is irreversibly doomed.

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  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    a minimum of four living Elder

    pretty sure that's not the case.

    That was pretty much the entire plot point of stopping Balthazar. If one more Elder Dragon dies, the world dies. Two have died, four live. So if three die, the world dies. Which means we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons.

    from what i got it's more a case of 2 dead elder dragons is slowly killing the world with a chance of recovery while 3 dead EDs is irreversibly doomed.

    Only if we kill Kralk in Tyria but we're not going to kill Kralk in Tyria because from the battle teaser with the wyvern mount, it will be in the Mist and if we kill him in the Mist all that Magical Energy will be released in the Mist and thus can be blocked from returning to Tyria.

    The Mist is also very large due to being connected to the Multiverse and etc so by killing Kralk there we can prevent Tyria from experiencing the Magical Energy overload. However, someone has to stay and seal it in the Mist so it never goes into Tyria when Kralk dies and that is most likely going to be Aurene's job.

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭

    It’s not the release of magic that’s the issue it’s the imbalance in the All that is, the two are unrelated.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    That was pretty much the entire plot point of stopping Balthazar. If one more Elder Dragon dies, the world dies. Two have died, four live. So if three die, the world dies. Which means we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons.

    M and Z were opposing. The random solution could always be that, having somehow killed K, we must locate and kill S, posthaste. I doubt it, but it makes some sort of sense. LS5: Hope You Like UW Combat.

    J and P are opposites, and the very first hint of the world dying with more ED deaths was simulating via data from Omadd's Machine what would happen if those two died.

    So not likely.

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    a minimum of four living Elder

    pretty sure that's not the case.

    That was pretty much the entire plot point of stopping Balthazar. If one more Elder Dragon dies, the world dies. Two have died, four live. So if three die, the world dies. Which means we need a minimum of four living Elder Dragons.

    from what i got it's more a case of 2 dead elder dragons is slowly killing the world with a chance of recovery while 3 dead EDs is irreversibly doomed.

    Yes. That's what I said.

    Three dead Elder Dragons = world irreversibly doomed.

    So we must have four LIVING Elder Dragons at a bare minimum at any point in time. And since the end goal is to replace all evil Elder Dragons, that means we needed a bare minimum of four replacements to maintain the world.

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Only if we kill Kralk in Tyria but we're not going to kill Kralk in Tyria because from the battle teaser with the wyvern mount, it will be in the Mist and if we kill him in the Mist all that Magical Energy will be released in the Mist and thus can be blocked from returning to Tyria.

    The Mist is also very large due to being connected to the Multiverse and etc so by killing Kralk there we can prevent Tyria from experiencing the Magical Energy overload. However, someone has to stay and seal it in the Mist so it never goes into Tyria when Kralk dies and that is most likely going to be Aurene's job.

    Nothing in the trailers and teasers have suggested we're going into the Mists, technically. Except arguably the shot of Kralkatorrik itself.

    That said, you're thinking only about the containment and release of magic. Not the Balance of the All which is what we've been told is the critical "ends the world with one more death" situation. After all, if we merely needed a new vessel for the magic, there was zero reason why Balthazar absorbing Jormag's and Primordus' magic would be a bad thing since at the time we had no clue he was planning on killing the other gods (nor would 4 out of 5 Commanders care).

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    It’s not the release of magic that’s the issue it’s the imbalance in the All that is, the two are unrelated.

    The two are related, it's just that we're closer to the balance of the All hiting that irreversible tipping sooner than the balance of magic.

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  • PseudoNewb.5468PseudoNewb.5468 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    If the dragons have opposite, or related axis of balance, it might be sheer luck that we killed Zhaitan and Mordremoth, the two parts of a single axis on the balance of the All (they are vaguely aligned with growth and death, or perhaps plant vs animal life)... If the All has a three dimensional balance, it may suffice that removing or damaging one axis allows it to remain stable, but damage along two could be what throws it off. In that case restoring one of Moredremoth or Zhaitan still wouldn't allow us to kill another dragon. Not sure how the balance of the All works, since Taimi's research seems to be quite vague.

    Just saying living dragons >= 4 might not be the only condition for balance.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Season 3 points Zhaitan and Mordremoth as being opposites for sure, just as it paints Primordus and Jormag, but also stressed that Z and M weren't "unique weaknesses to each other" (this has led some theories to believe that Jormag and Primordus' "unique weakness" isn't each other after all, but that all six Elder Dragons are in pairs which are vulnerable to each other on top of having their own unique weakness, which is exploiting a particular strength of theirs).

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Taimi will die :(

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  • Poormany.4507Poormany.4507 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    Or before. We cannot kill Kralkatorrik without a replacement, and if ghosts could become replacements, then why hasn't Glint continued the battle instead of sending her children to do it. And if Aurene's to "remain in the Mists" due to being dead, how does that help solve the issue of Tyria's balance of The All?

    They've left a very big issue to be solved. This episode practically requires to be twice the length of others at least to not make it feel like a massive dues ex machina (ala aforementioned Mordremoth's weakness).

    That is why there is another season arriving right after this season instead of a expanion.

    I am guessing next season focus is to deal with the loss of Aurene as the "Solution" and to discover another that leads us into exploring the new Season 5 Region.

    I'm also really hoping it's not a Mordremoth/Zhaitan type solution or that Kralk just flies away (again)

    Sadly, it does look like its going to be a solution popping out of nowwhere since Kralk's arc is getting too long already (definitely don't see him getting another full season) and they have no Aurene to replace him atm. So either Aurene gets revived by Joko or dragon magic or it's going to be another random last minute elder dragon slaying solution out of nowhere (like Mordy and Zhaitan), of which I would prefer the former since it's been at least foreshadowed in the season.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019

    Just because a solution is found in this episode, doesn't make it a "solution popping out of nowhere" or last minute like with Mordremoth (Zhaitan's defeat wasn't really out of nowhere either; that one was actually well done, except for the lack of existing "unique weaknesses" being talked about in the plot). It also fully depends on the length of the episode - since it's a finale, and an Elder Dragon ending one at that, it may end up having a larger story than other episodes.

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  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Just because a solution is found in this episode, doesn't make it a "solution popping out of nowhere" or last minute like with Mordremoth (Zhaitan's defeat wasn't really out of nowhere either; that one was actually well done, except for the lack of existing "unique weaknesses" being talked about in the plot). It also fully depends on the length of the episode - since it's a finale, and an Elder Dragon ending one at that, it may end up having a larger story than other episodes.

    I honestly won't be surprise if Kralk final battle is only the 50% mark of the story to trick players thinking the Episode is almost over due to how "epic" it may be but only to reveal that during the victory celebration and time for mourning the lost we encounter a new character or get attacked by a new enemy that leads us into the other 50% of the story to set up the new solution in next Season storyline