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That is exactly what I said but I went on to say I did learn it eventually. What helped me learn it was attempting to master the Soulbeast sic em rotation which is just had convaluted. Also I do contradict myself which is the point, I have been on this forum for along time and my opinions change. Well whatever it's not like you will listen.

I think it has the opposite problem to Virtuoso. Untamed is amazing PvP but sucks PvE although I do use it open world farming. Well anyway that was my take away. I switched most of soulbeast builds over to untamed even for WvW. It does have less damage but I can nutty things like being able to stealth almost permanently with Longbow with a mix of weapon swapping + trait, ambush and CC.

Chrono is my Main open world class, I use it more than Virtuoso so I don't know where you are getting your information from. I did once state that it took me a year to learn Chronomancer since I found the rotation to hard to commit to muscle memory. I have received more flack because I don't play Virtuoso enough and prefer Chrono or Mirage in most open world content so I don't know where you are coming from. I mean check my post history if you want.

I might try it, the good thing about rely on food buffs is it gives you a little room to move traits around.

I mean this is very similar to my build minus the full Rampagers, instead I have half vipers so I don't have to use the Chaos Trait line. I can eat lots of precision/Condi Duration food but its so expensive so I would rather just run 100% bleed duration and then 90% critical chance (in fractals I can boost it to 100%). This is my build though http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiABg2hrhVMklglrVb8H-zRRYmBXEvwIqC6SB/JZxNA-e

Honestly there is not many people trying to build solo 20k DPS builds. Your best bet is anything with high burst or conditions like torment or confusion but they are both situational. I mean Soulbeast with a right rotation can get you the 20k DPS but the problem is your will die just as quick, you a very sharp piece of paper where one interruptions and you drop below 5k DPS. Other options include Reaper or something like Chrono with danger time. Over all the best way to get the high DPS in the open world is group enemies up and cleave.

Okay my original statement is true run 75% critical chance since its impossible to have 100% bleed duration and 100% critical chance at the same time without infusions.

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Whoever said you need to cap crit, 60% of your damage comes from bleeds and another 10% comes from torment so only 30% of your damage even benefits from 100% critical chance. My rule is get 75% then you can F1 Bladsong at 100% critical chance with the Illusion grandmaster. I can get 35k dps in fractals with this my build without full raid buffs.

Lol I read through all the posts here, my one take away is that no one knows what they are doing when playing Virtuoso. I mean Virtuoso is one of the top open world elites at the moment being able to pull very high DPS while providing heal support to nearby allies. I mean it can't do everything like providing alac or quickness but does it need to? Honestly the skill ceiling is managing the lines of sight for bladesongs. This is even more true for WvW where you are liable to die if you Bladesongs into a zerg.

I don't use mesmer in PvP so my comments are ment for open world. Maximise damage is the key.

Second Tip: Salvage kits take up a lot of bag space so the first thing you should buy is the Copper-Fed Salvage-o-Matic( Copper-Fed Salvage-o-Matic). Third Tip: The next thing you make Mystic Salvage Kits (Mystic Salvage Kit) use this for rares certain stackable items like ectoplasm. If you have more gems to spare then get Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic (Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic) for the same purpose. Fourth Tip: Put gem store items in shared slots so all your characters can enjoy them.

Here is a tip, don't stun break unless absolutely you have to. This means you can soak up 2-3 stuns before you break them. Sometimes when I fight and become stunned I notice I'm taking 0 damage so I can just wait out the stun. Same with immobilize, most people don't capitalize on their stun anyway unless they group up so just break them when you need to move.

I agree sadly.... It was more that all my posts and replies got misconstrued that I was talking about PvP and I just got annoyed so I made this thread. I mean anyone coming into the Mesmer forum must think they suck and should never be played in any game mode (maybe just WvW).

A useful thing to note is taunt is the rarest and the second highest breakbar per second at 75. Fear is the highest at 100 but is really common, i mean its built into shroud. That is very helpful to Meta Trains!

Hmm True, well again we will have to wait and see what they do. I think they will probably nerf the Condi a little bit anyway so maybe when they do they will add bladed to swords.

True but how many people even play Fractals, Conquest PvP or WvW. Most of the guilds i play with don't do fractals, they only PvP for Guild missions and they are all waiting for the WvW update to play that. As you have pointed out most people end game run meta trains, HP trains or bounties. I mean their is at least 100 people join Casino Blitz for the Choya Piñata every 2 hours. A Chronomancer running Phantasmal Defender can tank whole groups of enemies (with a build I run) so you don't need any survivability and can even use Signet of the Ether for another Phantasm charge rather than for healing. Me and my wife both run this build and the rotation from opener to finish is very long but when used in unison we can 1 shot most champions. It is amazing how effective Phantasmal Defender is against anything even if they have a breakbar, we normally target the enemy with highest health and then spread out our other phantasms on the rest.

Alot of other people have made this point but its the classes and not the gear in PvP. This is especially true for core guardian which is top support currently. Honestly the meta at the highest level since EoD does not rely on supports any more unlike before. Most of the new classes add very punishing and bursty dps.

Yeah I feel like players will abuse this to make sure they don't que with people they are arguing with. I mean I'm always getting abused for playing an off meta ranger and not being able to side node. I mean im in high gold so it's not like my build doesn't work.

First Tip: One of the biggest money sinks is upgrading 20 slot bags into 30 slot bags while the alternative is to just spend 120 gold(roughly) to buy 400 gems and then buying another bag slot. Ten 20 slot bags should be plenty.

I 100% agree which is why they are having such a hard time balancing PvP. If anything PoF had the most specs geared towards PvP while EoD has more specs that add the final trinity to each elite spec. I mean Mesmer did lack a decent ranged options outside of greatsword(power) or staff(condi) which have both been heavily nerfed. I don't think they went out of there way to make it PvP elite when they thought up Virtuoso which I guess is the problem. I don't know, this is exactly why I play ranger as I have stated. Ranger is less squishy and I can play it completely ranged like Virtuoso and I have a really OP Untamed Condi hybrid at the moment, High gold in the top 250 what more can ask for.

I wish I relied more on builds I create rather than snowcrow or even metabattle to some extent I still do this.

Well I think that's why it keeps getting nerfed for PVP balance. Pretty much the same story with thiefs. The one exception is the Chrono nerfs with fractal balance.

All those things you stated roughly equate to 30% (if I'm being generous) of the game. Again most of the game is open world PvE where the phantasmal defender is amazing and provides the longest taunt in the game on Chronomancer. Anyway my point is that people almost always think my posts or replies are about PvP, it's just a bit annoying is all.

Its part of all the damage rotations to use the Signet of the Ether to refresh phantasm cooldown. I guess Twin Blade Restoration could be used as a heal but again you can get 3 Bleed stacks from it.