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  1. Hard disagree. Dodging in place is an extremely powerful mechanic that should be reserved for extenuating circumstances because it actively encourages players to stack in place even more than they already do. Corralling players into small spaces and dealing major attacks this way is also good encounter design to make players think about where they're standing in prior seconds to just dishing out damage and support. Trivializing thief gameplay isn't a good thing for anyone.
  2. Having a role-based system where gameplay is dependent on certain core foundations is far from a niche by definition, specifically if everyone can contribute to it. A niche is covering edge cases or divergent strategies. Things like running extra mesmers for fake portals or thieves in the blob to assassinate high priority targets. Things that can't just be optimally brought into every single encounter from a tactical point of view unless the overarching strategy of the group depends on these play patterns. You mention academic study of [game] diversity, but I'm going to have to challenge that given your stance on the issue. And that the topic isn't really one in academic game theory, specifically because video games like these are so complex and a huge meld of basically all the game theory types such that there really isn't much to study. "Game Diversity" really is an observation on metagames through meta-analysis-of-metagame-analysis, and well, really boils down to an arbitrary benchmark of representation of different strategies based on solely the combinatorial nature of optional discrete game elements and how successful those strategies are in respects to defeating other combinations. Consider your quote: Yet you also admit in defense of your stance the following: So which is it? Anet reduced their observed diversity by removing static trait bonuses and effects. And I want to make it clear, I'm not in support of traits like "When X happens, gain Y effect for Z seconds." I'm talking about traits like "Gain X% damage while attacking a bleeding target." Simple and reliable things, which slowly aggregate into a character's overall function, that players can choose to work with or not. But these work *with* a player's decision to specialize, not totally irrespective--or even in spite of--them. By this nature, boons as a system do not create a sufficiently complex metagame. They create a mostly-solvable optimization problem wherein while not solvable, does get one sufficiently close to solvable. And by your own admission, such dramatically high-level tactics of boon "roles" are grossly-ineffective at creating a compelling game. Even under the assumption of the addition of a rhetorical gameplay pattern where boon-denial builds somehow could be exclusively countered (this isn't possible when all systems choices players interact with--traits and skills--are consolidated to generate boons as a "simplified" experience, instead of non-boon mechanics, per above), the game boils down to rock-paper-scissors at character creation. The nature of combat is settled before the first actions are taken, based on selected strategies. At best, there's some level of psychology in there for predicting what people will choose seeing as it's still an imperfect information game. But I challenge this proclaimed merit again through pragmatism: Games have different designs in how they're made to be played, and ones like these require upkeep and maintenance overhead; this format does not lend itself well to something focusing on real-time action, but moreover a turn-based prediction game. And even under the assumption that we're going to champion Rock Paper Scissors as a viable competitive product (which it isn't, otherwise everyone would be doing it free with their friends and not action video games, card games, board games, etc.), it undermines the purpose of the media being served: the Action RPG. Much like how people don't watch Michael Bay films for amazing screenwriting, they also don't turn to read classic novels for an heart-pounding action sequence. GW2 was designed to be a specific type of product - the ARPG+MMO - and the idea of making these macro-strategies the deciders in how its action plays out really boils the game down to a slightly more blurred version of RPS. Generally, totally missing the target audience with the product is bad for the ability to sustain the game itself. Your defense of your two arguments makes some major assumptions and makes some weird assumptions about 1.) You assume a "normal scenario." This needs definition and depends on varying factors, and is also a problem with the boon system itself being very asymmetric. One second of 25 might and fury on a 25 second cooldown while someone's opponent has no boons used midway through a major damaging combo may be able to end a fight outright, whereas 1 second of might and fury applied each second infinitely means absolutely nothing when the opponent is getting the same constant pulsing 1 second of protection. Most boon durations in the core era of the game were short enough where getting anything to become permanent was just not possible without other characters or very specifically building to a very specific boon, like the old Rune of Speed or grandmaster traits requiring constant attacking and use of skills landing like No Quarter and Forceful Greatsword. In World vs World, groups stacked up before engaging to get area swiftness from Guardian's Staff to last enough of the fight so they weren't kited by people with 25% movespeed signets. The current level of boon availability broad-spectrum is just simply too high. By extension, this extends to Concentration. The maximum all-boon duration increase at launch was around 20% and sacrificed all rune slots, meaning huge hits to stats. And people still paid a heavy premium in gold for them due to how strong boons were even in this era. But this also helped normalize the power of boons as well, making things like reductions to base boon duration easier to balance. Changing a boon to a 4s duration meant it would have uptime of 4-5s, not 4-8 seconds as it does now. With boons so easily-achieved, radical reductions on boon sources can absolutely be performed without much issue, though I still believe fewer sources and removing the Concentration stat altogether to help normalize them is the better course of action. This gives value to burst-of-power effects like the old Blood is Power and Signets of Power traits which came at significant cost for huge gains in raw stats for a very brief window, while still allowing more spread-over-time effects to help push all-rounder builds to exist. In support of my original statement: The "simplification" is failing to achieve letting players make these choices, and simply makes boon builds inherently dominant via extended durations which equal or exceed their cooldowns, often without substantial risk-taking or consequence. Power budget on traits and skills should primarily not be in boons, and any unique effects should be made obvious by character animation. The "Block" skill effect when a warrior uses a shield to block is not visually unclear, despite functionally being the same as an infinitely-fast reapplication of fraction-of-a-second-duration Aegis. I'm going to touch on the merits of this below, and why it's just downright better than making boons so ubiquitous. 2.) It may sound snyde, but... the skills will do... other unique things than just give boons, and do their damage and effects like they did before. Cleave, stunbreaks, mobility, unique multi-hit patterns that are meant to disrupt being blinded, multi-part flip skills, conditions and cleanses, heals, summons, passive bonuses, you name it. Actually-creative mechanics remove the need for boons to be applied all the time, and boons can be either the main driver of the skill (like For Great Justice!, Hold the Line!, Advance!, etc.), or a nice little bonus added from a trait, to provide just an ounce more of specialization. If everyone runs around with permanent 25 might/fury and protection, there's numerically almost no difference in damage dealt/taken to each respective build by nobody having any of it. I already explained why Quickness and Alacrity are bad for the game in terms of clarity and TTK. Only Stability and Swiftness are really essential to maintaining integrity of skill effects based on facets of the core game. Weapons *are* damage sticks. But they're tools and should have resources worth managing. Mashing every ability off cooldown to provide more damage and/or support just to fuel the boon blob and churn out numbers is what we have now. It'd be better to have people actually compelled to maybe save their multi-hit skill for when they get overwhelmed by thieves recasting blinds, save their mobility skill to escape for when the enemy Reaper DCharges in. To block when a Warrior jumps in the air to cast Mighty Blow. To immobilize an enemy who just used a cleanse so they can't dodge your damage. This is dynamic combat where just the very nature of how skills are used interacts primarily with what your opponent is doing. If ANet needs constant boon application to make their PvE compelling such that the fear of removing boons wholesale makes people afraid their weapons just turn into damage numbers sticks, they need better encounter design. But frankly, without all the insane level of support and durability coming from boon builds, I think you'd be surprised just how quickly groups would wipe when they can no longer skip entire phases and facetank a majority of otherwise lethal damage. I'd wager the game would become *much* more interactive and less about optimizing numbers with players unable to access most of their raw stat power with permanent uptime. Based on your comments, I suspect you largely just play PvE. It's significantly less obvious of a problem there because honestly, ANet's encounters largely suck for an MMO and aren't that interesting. They mostly cater to "single big boss HP sponge" that most other MMOs do. So I can see why you think they're necessary. But the boon metas have eviscerated WvW and sPvP, which is what my post is about. When permanent, they actively create an anti-fun environment for competitive play and undermine the game's mechanics just as much as Quickness and Alacrity. Full boons is more than a second whole set of equipment in stats. It's literally more stark than just taking an exotic weapon to combat with white gear and nothing else. And for combat clarity, boons absolutely cut into it significantly more than unique effects. Like the Aegis/block example above, there's no way to really know where a boon comes from unless you know exactly what just happened already. Was it a trait that just activated? A utility skill that got animation-cancelled? A relic? An ally or a stealthed thief nearby? There's no way to tell. Meanwhile, if I care to look, I can mouse over the enemy's effect, and type "/wiki <effect name>" and be taken directly to what the other player had or did that caused it or at the least a short list of things that grant it. Boon stacking makes hacking harder to detect, because I just *don't* know whether or not that 14 seconds of Protection is in their build, if it was on multiple skills activated at once, if it's been modified by concentration, or whatever. There is just so little information about its sources that you simply cannot learn as a new or returning player by engaging with other classes. And that's demonstrably a bad thing when discussing clarity. It genuinely does make the game harder to understand when in the PvP context, and thus, is also self-defeating.
  3. I know what they're doing. Fact of the matter is this: - More skills have been changed from being passive effects and stat modifiers to boons which makes for redundant traits and promotes the horrible metas like celestial builds like we have now. - Boons are harder to balance power budgets for specific builds and playstyles with. I'll use a very simple example: HK makes thief crit on stealth attacks. Burst Precision makes a War's Adrenal skill crit. Old DP makes Necros in shroud crit. MoF makes Mind Wrack crit. These are distinct choices in *how* a build specializes and how it plays. These specific traits can be tuned to be more or less mutually-exclusive with precision/crit as a whole or for specific builds, because they target a specific thing the build is operating around. If all the professions did was "Gain Fury", and a power build overperforms because of crit reliability, suddenly you have a problem where the only outcome is nerfing either the ability to reliably crit for a specific subset of important actions, or nerfing the actual actions themselves. - Boons are impossible to balance duration/power with the advent of concentration. It's a permanently-moving target. - Hyperinflation of boons overvalues corrupts and strips where boons can no longer be something optional to fill in small voids, because the risk of being actively punished or resource-starved while playing builds investing in genuinely rare short-term bonuses is just too high. With boon denial preventing thin-margin builds from being functional, you limit diversity. - Most core game weapons and skills in their respective mobility are still based around most builds not even having permanent swiftness when it comes to things like dash distance and cooldowns. Let alone superspeed supplied by cheap permanent swiftness. - Concentration inherently extending *all* boons makes for shorter windows of weakness in general which makes for less opportunistic and interesting gameplay between players. If you can't capitalize on moments of weakness the entirety of combat boils down to "who's got more robotic and consistently optimized rotations/who uses macros to out-grind the other person." - Quickness and Alacrity are absolutely obscene in their impacts to PvP environments and wildly cut into combat clarity. Combos suddenly become much harder to counter from Quickness negating so much casting time so regularly, and if you're not counting seconds on Alacrity uptime and doing the math in real-time on active cooldown status, you just don't have a method of cooldown tracking reliably, which *is* how high-level PvP plays out. If someone is running lots of both, they have unpredictable combos that can't really even be reacted to. That's objectively bad for any PvP environment. Even an "invisible" 20% reduction is better, because a quicker-than-usual cast can easily be attributed to said trait, also mutually-exclusively locking out others. If the player really knows a lot about the opposing class, they can do really well to know exactly which traits they're running. Short of watching the boon timers, this just isn't the case when all effects feed into a common few buckets. So yeah, even though ANet is proclaiming that they're trying to make skills have a higher degree of consistency and simplification, it's frankly making their game harder to understand in the PvP formats.
  4. Did you think long-time players who were willing to stick around in a format with no real patches or rewards for ten years suddenly quitting the format in droves and making huge numbers complaint threads was for nothing? Boons are BROKEN. So broken that the time lost not casting boons or boon denial from being spent dodging with literal damage immunity is not worth it. In current form, they fundamentally and utterly destroy the entire gameplay loop the game was built on and it's wildly evident in WvW and has been for years. Nothing but cutting access and sharing will stop that. But ANet doubled down and made boons into roles for PvE. This is peak GW2 gameplay according to ANet's design decisions, and has been for quite a while. And even Social Awkwardness is countered by boons lol. Even boon strip/corrupt is countered by simply adding more boon sources, and all adding boon denial does is make it harder to make functional builds in smallscale because ANet keeps shifting everything to boons. Stuff like Death Perception is now boons. You can't NOT have them in a build without said build being objectively bad. It's boons, boons, and more boons, all the way down. It's why I no longer play and why my guild no longer really plays. I came for fluid and dynamic PvP combat with clear moments of strengths and weakness between players, not to pay attention to a boon status bar, as not having to watch an effects bar was literally advertised at launch as a selling point of the game. The game does not provide that experience and ANet has failed to deliver on its profession design. Full stop. At this point, it'd make the most sense if they just scrapped WvW and sPvP entirely. Rip off the bandaid. Cut off the modes entirely. Free up some dev staff. Let the stationary blobs sit and fight in the guild halls until they too get bored and quit. It's an embarrassment.
  5. It's really more that GW2 has always been marketed as a game that featured no roles and a "play your way" ad campaign as part of its central vision and game's manifesto. Those "entitled casuals" come in here expecting most things to be comparable in nature and to be able to generally approach endgame with what they want to play and enjoy playing versus the community expectation and much of the recent content being focused on playing for optimal numbers due to just how ingrained these tools are now into the zeitgeist of profession balance and design. This is especially relevant to boons.
  6. Nah, less rock-paper-scissors, more dynamic thinking and individual player self-preservation. It's the only way out. More strips/corrupts still doesn't solve the problem where having less boons is just objectively worse than more boons. Unless you want to allow all boons to be optional and make non-boon-providing traits and skills just objectively superior to the ones which offer them. If you have a random source of a single stack of might in your kit, congrats, you get hit even harder by corrupts than if you can generate 25 very quickly. Or where if you need that extra crit chance from Fury for just three seconds in order to land a reliable combo as a core pillar of your build to execute someone, a multi-way cannot be outplayed because you'll probably never be able to build into that reliability and actually get it. Boon gameplay should require thinking and planning around brief windows of extra strength, be it either in reaction via defense/standing ground and tipping a fight with your enemy having a false sense of confidence, or proactively in hyper-aggression via forcing extra resources/cooldowns at the onset of a fight so you're more neutral as it goes on longer.
  7. The point is that adding things like role-mandated gameplay patterns in raids with integrated DPS meters and group-support-centric stat-check boosts is what causes the community to get toxic in the first place about the decisions being made precluding the attempts to complete the content, and that players can and will hold everyone to optimum performance standards while the game direction increasingly focuses on catering content to this kind of mindset. These decisions are ones which ANet deliberately made. So while the community is to blame for being toxic in isolation from a very pedantic POV, ANet is ultimately responsible for enabling it so much. Had they never allowed Overwolf and stuck with their guns from launch about DPS meters being bad for the community, nobody would be freaking out about DPS benchmarks because nobody would have real numbers. These were things many of us said a decade ago as being what would become problems in the scope of the community's future. Since I no longer have any real stake in the game anymore, it's kind of cathartic to be so vindicated every passing year.
  8. Lol why do I have doubts, considering anyone sane bringing that man's name up in the preaching of life advice is clearly not in tune with the rest of humanity and very deluded anyways? Even if not a direct quote, it's pretty on brand considering his mantra is all about building a sense of frail masculinity via acceptance through others, and ya changed your tune real quick when the confused emojis set in.
  9. Because ANet and a lot of players at the time had their heads so far up their butts that there was no willingness to actually change the way the core mechanics interacted with the class. Instead of playing with lesser-used mechanics, the answer was always to just powercreep the thief's existing options to extremes to make them competitive at X thing. People demanded Acrobatics-ninja 2.0 thinking it would be a good idea. People demanded OHKO Stealth-camping sniper thinking the stealth utility would be reasonable to play against. People demanded a healing support spec/Venomshare 2.0 thinking the design isn't impossible to balance on the class. Because the thief's off-meta choices which lack all the synergies of the nicely-packaged-with-a-bow elite specs have been atrocious for like ten years, and the problems at the core of the class and hyper-dependency on some very specific weapon loadouts becomes immediately obvious when these are actually considered.
  10. There's no incentive to bother. Think about it; if something blows up on a third party social media site, they need to do damage control immediately or it can become a marketing nightmare. There need to be eyes on the external socials at all times. If something blows up on the forums, the only people who will read it are a minutia of the community already throwing their voices into the void. And all of it gets packaged in a convenient location that acts as a storm drain for complaints while still letting community members feel like they're engaging on some level. Thing is, this subject has already blown up on social media as well in the past. On more than one occasion, the VFX bloat has caused some community members with photosensitive epilepsy to have seizures. The game's excess of effects repeatedly cause it to fail PEAT testing in player-rich environments. ANet just doesn't give a kitten, and the stink isn't quite big enough for them to want to.
  11. There are only four scenarios where this holds, and all of them assume you pulled from literal max range: - He reacted extremely quickly to target SS to 1200 and burned half or more of his utility bar to deal with one pull AND got lucky having had enemies placed perfectly for ISig to let him OOC. - You pulled during his very-distantly-buffered re-teleport like IR or ShR and weren't paying attention to his status bar, which means you had literally every means to not let him escape by waiting a few seconds at the most. IR for these types of double recasts is generally in the < 1s remaining area and he had to be running literally straight at you for quite a distance All thief returns are bounded with a max range. A literal core necro could have done this with SWalk, and could have done it in *gasp* one teleport. - You're not running superspeed on engineer if one of such teleports was based on shortbow, which says a lot. IA cast time and travel delay should let you maintain the status as generally this requires two casts to outpace. Unless he also had superspeed, which means he committed more resources or again, you weren't paying attention to what he was doing. - You're either lying or you simply don't realize he burned way more resources than two skills. As Chaba pointed out, Engi is and has been a decent counter to thief for quite some time based on the resource battle between them (pretty much since the backstab nerfs), and what usually results in an engineer using a respectable build by a respectable player being able to stat-check thief as the resource war is eventually won. So rather than committing to a losing fight, the dude ran because of the limitations the class has when getting magneted, despite your sarcasm (the irony). Don't get me wrong - even as a former thief I dislike how much of thief's power budget is in its disengage potential as well, and how easy it *can* be to pull off against many classes/loadouts, especially in conjunction with stealth - but your statement here is pretty damned disingenuous.
  12. Real small-group roaming across all servers definitively died with PoF and was already on the decline with HoT, so there's been a heavy decline in map awareness over the years due to the lack of need for it. Mag historically wasmostly the FotM cheeser gank players which transferred who are too addicted to move on to new games, propped up by the guise of skill playing what's OP in smallscale and not taking fights they might lose. The cloud they're so proud of is the same risk-averse ganker mindset from the days of old, and their builds always reflect stuff with high burst and insanely high self-sustain and movement so they can't actually "lose" to smaller numbers. You'll get jumped by four people, maybe kill two if you're really good, the other two will temporarily flee, and you'll find yourself in another 1v4 before your elite skill is back off cooldown. It's why their K:D is always sky-high and prior to people bandwagoning, why they never did that well in actual server ranks; it's not that they're stupidly good so much as it is that they're unwilling to take those riskier fights and aside from SMC would generally rather throw the objective than die in the name of K:D lol. Their target prioritization is definitely more coordinated than other servers' but their individual performances have always been very mediocre and mostly carried by overwhelming individual targets and resetting and playing what's OP.
  13. Oh man if you think 5% is the chance you have to convince ANet to scrap already-developed content you're VERY naive. 5% is the chance this thread's title is read lol. You're better off spending your time either complaining into the void or making suggestions for the next weapon they implement for the next expansion. And let's face it, ANet's more likely to give something like shield to the thief to be "interesting" before ceding that basics are good to have covered.
  14. I mean yes, all of those things contribute to latency. What I'm referencing is allegedly the difference-maker because pretty much the whole list should still be occurring even when not in the major clashes which generate the lag.
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