Glider colors, only one for all sets ?

[Faccina.5091]

I have 2 armor sets, one zerk and one condi (one bluish and one reddish) and i just got the vermillion wing set glider/backpack, the backpack change color with the rest of the armor but the glider have only one set of colors...

Maybe is ok for other gliders but with this one i have red wings, jump they become blue then red again...

 

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

You can dye each item any color(s) you want.  Use the Hero Panel to dye the Glider (Dye tab - Glider) and the Backpack (Dye tab - Backpack).  Each have 4 dye channels. 

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dye

Edited October 17, 2021 by Inculpatus cedo.9234

[Faccina.5091]

I did that but my zerk set is blue and my condi set is red.

If i make the glider red and switch to the blue set the glider is still red then if i make it blue and switch to the red set the glider is still blue.

The backpack work fine like the other armor pieces.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

Changing glider colors is not a feature of templates, I'm afraid.  Same with Mounts, etc. 

[Handsel.2891]

The glider is a different item from the backpack and it's not part of the characters gear. It functions similarly to mounts.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

Completely different internal system than the armors, its not going to work with the templates.

[Faccina.5091]

11 hours ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

Completely different internal system than the armors, its not going to work with the templates.

Then there was no glider/backpack combo when they did the code or no one thinked about it ?

[Boh.4568]

18 minutes ago, Faccina.5091 said:

Then there was no glider/backpack combo when they did the code or no one thinked about it ?

I had your exact same problem, red themed set for PvE and blue themed set for WvW, dyeable nightspeaker backpack, but only one shared glider dye between the sets.

There's no solution. just like there's no solution to older back/glider sets where you can dye the glider but not the back.

Something something very old monolithic spaghetti code no one dares to touch, something small indie company, please understand.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

1 hour ago, Faccina.5091 said:

Then there was no glider/backpack combo when they did the code or no one thinked about it ?

There were no gliders when the game first came out in 2012, they were added when the first Expack came out in 2015, plus dyeable backpacks are even newer, the vast majority of them can't be dyed.  And as Boh.4568 mentioned, this game suffers from Spaghetti Coding, or as I prefer to call it: Pervasive Existential Horror Coding.  Changing stuff, especially older stuff like the dye system is hard to do without breaking other things.

Edited October 18, 2021 by The Greyhawk.9107

[Faccina.5091]

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dyeable backpacks are even newer, the vast majority of them can't be dyed.

But for things like that can't they make a new one with the same model and put an npc to exchange it ?

[kharmin.7683]

51 minutes ago, Faccina.5091 said:

But for things like that can't they make a new one with the same model and put an npc to exchange it ?

What financial incentive is there for Anet to spend resources to do that?

[Linken.6345]

5 hours ago, Faccina.5091 said:

But for things like that can't they make a new one with the same model and put an npc to exchange it ?

Yea you expect them to do one for every colour combiation out there?

Thats not going to happen bud.

[Faccina.5091]

8 minutes ago, Linken.6345 said:

Yea you expect them to do one for every colour combiation out there?

Thats not going to happen bud.

I suppose they use the alpha channel for the texture and not making 9001 different ones 🤨

 

[Boh.4568]

On 10/18/2021 at 4:06 PM, kharmin.7683 said:

What financial incentive is there for Anet to spend resources to do that?

I could say that for a top MMO well known for 9 years (+the GW1 reputation), backed up by a top company, and with a very strong fashion endgame mostly tied to the premium store, some effort could be done to implement basic QOL improvements such as the same behavior for two items (back and glider) that should be part of a set.

But you mentioned "financial incentive", so I understand that user experience improvements just for the sake of your playerbase are not a viable business model in 2021 videogames.

I also despise the "spaghetti code pls understand" excuse because I worked as a programmer and I know this is not an excuse for such a big company, but this is a different issue.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

I wonder what motive the Devs have for stating older content consists of 'spaghetti code' if one believes it is 'just an excuse'.  If one is a 'programmer', does that mean one is profoundly familiar with all programming code, even proprietary code? 

[Boh.4568]

Once you get assigned to a project, all the previous code becomes "your" code in terms of responsibility. It's very common in the IT field to get assigned to projects where the first line of code is 20 year old and the whole thing has been passed through so many developers that you really can't understand how some pieces of code can work.

But nevertheless it's your job and your responsibility to understand your codebase. In my company if I dared to say "sorry I can't fix this because it was written by someone else and I don't understand it" or, worse, "I could try to fix it but I'm afraid it would break something else I don't know" I would get probably kicked from the project. If I was assigned to it it meant I had the programming language skills to understand everything written in that code.

Now let's enlarge this matter from my medium-sized project to a big game such as GW2. Of course the spaghetti code is much bigger and harder to learn for such a big engine, but this is Anet, this is NCsoft, not some small indie company. They have the resources to break down every single line of code if they want, but they won't because the engine was a rewrite of a rewrite of a rewrite of Gw1 and now it's too much spaghetti to handle without huge costs.

I'm not particularly mad that seemingly simple QOL improvements such as glider dyes are walled behind a "sorry we can't because no", but in general a developer should never say "sorry I can't fix someone else's code, too much work" when it's YOUR game now and YOUR code and YOUR responsibility, that's unacceptable in my opinion.

But yeah, money.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

I wouldn't personally assume that Anet, which is a small company, is going to get a lot of help with coding from NCsoft.  Feel free to do so, if you so choose, but I've learned to temper my expectations.

[Rogue.8235]

13 hours ago, Boh.4568 said:

Once you get assigned to a project, all the previous code becomes "your" code in terms of responsibility. It's very common in the IT field to get assigned to projects where the first line of code is 20 year old and the whole thing has been passed through so many developers that you really can't understand how some pieces of code can work.

This, plus most programmers have an allergy to commenting for some reason!

 

On 10/18/2021 at 10:06 AM, kharmin.7683 said:

What financial incentive is there for Anet to spend resources to do that?

Periodic goodwill is an intangible that affects the bottom line (though in a really obfuscated manner).  Most American companies do not seem to grasp this, but at least ArenaNet does occasional QoL updates that are large in scale for the sole benefit of player experience.

One such example is the expansion of material storage to include lots of other stuff clogging up our bank tabs.  Legendary Armory is purely QoL. (though some would argue that it's the exact opposite).

My wish is for outfits, mounts, and gliders to get the same legendary armory treatment, but it does seem a bit too niche.

Otherwise, yeah, your statement is generally the correct mindset.

 

[Astralporing.1957]

On 10/18/2021 at 1:14 PM, Faccina.5091 said:

Then there was no glider/backpack combo when they did the code or no one thinked about it ?

The latter. When they did the "templates" loadouts system, QoL, consistency and not running into issues were last things on their minds.