Shouldn't we have another set of legendary armor available?

[vares.8457]

1 minute ago, Krzysztof.5973 said:

You can literally acquire legendary armor from WvW by exclusively escorting dolyaks. No build or gear needed. If that's not easy enough for you then I don't know what can Anet add to PvE to make you happy 😵

Killing veterans in Queensdale. 

[Sobx.1758]

26 minutes ago, vares.8457 said:

Killing veterans in Queensdale. 

Why veterans? Too much hp, regular mobs or the game doesn't value my time!
...not the moas though, they can daze and cc is what kills the game, we should just be able to easly slap the mobs without any interuption.

[Caitmonster.9036]

Just now, Sobx.1758 said:

Why veterans? Too much hp, regular mobs or the game doesn't value my time!
...not the moas though, they can daze and cc is what kills the game, we should just be able to easly slap the mobs without any interuption.

Y'all are right, to be safe you better just make it those ambient frogs rats and flies around that hut in Godslost swamp. Surely they can't complain about those.

[Bankrotas.8215]

28 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Is there somehow not enough ways to get gear in pve?

It can be pain in the kitten, and then juggling sets and toying around different sets. The difference between ascendant and legendary is not big enough to matter, but tangibly big enough to discern that legendary IS BiS because it is whatever you want. And that's a good thing. 

You want to have a good long term goal for people and when reward is more about expanding ways you can play rather than pure power. That's where GW2 players f-up as much as Anet at selling their game to others. Getting berserkers, vipers, celestial, whatever popular support, gear for WvW and with GW2 players encouraging alting too (my mistake for listening to them) getting gear for multiple characters OR... You can work for legendary and at the end of the day it'll be whatever style you want. 

Give people a goal long term enough for them to learn the game so when they do get it they can have a potential to be good enough to find a way to be in the game the way they want.

[vares.8457]

7 minutes ago, Caitmonster.9036 said:

Surely they can't complain about those.

I remember a thread some years ago where someone complained that he had to kill animals in the game 

[Sobx.1758]

Just now, Bankrotas.8215 said:

It can be pain in the kitten, and then juggling sets and toying around different sets. The difference between ascendant and legendary is not big enough to matter, but tangibly big enough to discern that legendary IS BiS because it is whatever you want. And that's a good thing. 

You want to have a good long term goal for people and when reward is more about expanding ways you can play rather than pure power. That's where GW2 players f-up as much as Anet at selling their game to others. Getting berserkers, vipers, celestial, whatever popular support, gear for WvW and with GW2 players encouraging alting too (my mistake for listening to them) getting gear for multiple characters OR... You can work for legendary and at the end of the day it'll be whatever style you want.

And the current ways of acquisition are good long term goals aimed at playing more of the content of the game, instead of granting legendaries for tagging a world boss or parking characters at the jp chests (which are the proposed ways of ow acquisition as far as I'm aware, also brought up in this thread as -somehow- "good ones") with the apparent goal being to reduce the interaction with the game's content. If someone wants to swap stats, play the content and grab new set/s of gear. If someone values the convenience of the leggies so much, play more of the game and get them.

Once again: "expanding ways you can play" is easly done through acquiring gear by playing the content. And no, I don't see how its acquisition "can be pain in the kitten", not sure you've explained that anywhere.

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Give people a goal long term enough for them to learn the game so when they do get it they can have a potential to be good enough to find a way to be in the game the way they wnant.

See... you're mentioning "learning the game" here, except the proposed ways of acquisition aren't encouraging learning the game, they -again, as far as I'm aware and I've read a few of these threads- encourage staying where you are and -for example- tagging a world boss. Hardly learning anything there. You're basically trying to claim that removing the carrot would somehow encourage people to learn the game, but I fail to see how.

[Bankrotas.8215]

10 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

You're basically trying to claim that removing the carrot would somehow encourage people to learn the game, but I fail to see how.

I think you assume I want legendary armor not require raids. What I am trying to say is, current situation is at least fine. The issue I have is people not encouraging getting Legendary armor because "exotics are good enough". 

[Sobx.1758]

18 minutes ago, Bankrotas.8215 said:

I think you assume I want legendary armor not require raids. What I am trying to say is, current situation is at least fine.

If that's what you meant then I did indeed miss it, thanks for clarifying.

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The issue I have is people not encouraging getting Legendary armor because "exotics are good enough". 

I don't think people are somehow "not encouraging it", it's more about certain people claiming "they have to get x, so they have to do y". Meanwhile the less content they play, the lower the value of legendaries is. Exotics obviously aren't somehow equal to legendaries (and it would be stupid if they were, duh), but they are easly more than enough for most/all of the purposes some people in threads like this aim at. Hence the question if there's somehow not enough ways to get them in ow, because I'm convinced there easly is enough. It's just that it still includes gameplay -which is a good thing and helps with people being able to set their own mid/long term goals depending on how much and what they play.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Sobx.1758

[Bankrotas.8215]

8 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Hence the question if there's somehow not enough ways to get them in ow, because I'm convinced there easly is.

Oh there's more than enough ways. I'm a kittening casual by choice and I don't think the ways to get leggy gear is unreasonable. I don't care for raids, but I know that I will, if I want the gear or I'll do WvW or PVP.  Maybe there's a case to be made that, if Anet is moving away from raids to strikes, you could introduce armor centered only on instanced content too? Heck, I'd say it'd be cool, if there was a legendary set locked behind CMs. 

[Nephalem.8921]

16 hours ago, Vayne.8563 said:

But PvE legendary armor requires you do to one specific type of content that wasn't even in the game until 3.5 years after launch that some people really don't like or don't want to do. I'm mostly a PvE'er and raiding isn't my favorite activity. You'll note that WvW and PvP players don't have to jump through hoops. They do exactly what they do even if they're not working on armor.

Only in PvE do you have to do something you might not want to do. Now you can say sure if you want it, you have to do it, and you'd be right. That is the current situaiton. If you want it you have to do it. But, if you want it and and you have to do it, and you hate it, or don't like it, or feel you can't do it, you don't get it or you force yourself to play content you don't like for hours every week, and you feel less strongly about the game, and may even eventually leave the game.  A WvW who wants legendary armor doesn't have to leave the game, because they're not forced into content they don't like.

True. I like to do pve but the excessive amount of times you have to do chak gerent is just too much. 10 w1-4 clears are enough to get enough LI for the first armour but for some reason i had to do 30 chak gerents. 90 total for all 3 armors.

I know plenty people who could not craft the armour because they just burned out on tedious open world events. Show up, press 1 once and watch a movie or stream until rewards plop in. Peak gameplay. But chak gerent is not even enough. It also includes other metas.

The total time needed for pve armor is split 1/3 raid and 2/3 metas. It requires all the pve content. Also same applies to pve daily. Why the heck does that daily only include the most tedious tasks ever like 10 events in a dead map?

It would be great if the game would not force everyone to do so much mindless open world pve.

[Sobx.1758]

12 minutes ago, Vyr.9387 said:

Easiest life.

JPs could be restricted through random choice via daily achievs to prevent or at least minimize camping, or some through some item being required to be held without portal/mount/skill use.
World bosses could require a primer of sorts, like Aurene's facets do: make an item, only then murder the boss.
Make map comp involved either through the Gifts of Exploration or something akin to the lanterns in EoD maps. Or simply put items required for the aforementioned primers to the Heart vendors' inventory. A step or three could include visiting Mastery Insights that currently boast a grand total of single use.
I happen to like the idea of the EoD achiev races: get from point A to point B on a designated mount with certain restrictions applied. Put this into the rest of the maps. If the tech allows it, a different path each day with different mounts and/or gliding. Although this one honestly sounds a bit too much. Can still use the adventures already present in-game, though, can't we.
And, of course, events of all kinds: meta ones, bounties, even solo challenges for HoT HPs (in private instances, naturally).

Tie all of these up through achievements or some kind of PvE reward track and we're set, even if the legendary armor would simply have the same model as Ascended.

But many if not all of these have already been suggested in those numerous threads You participated in; [sarcasm] how very surprising [/sarcasm] You can recall only the parts that suit You.

Or we could leave it how it is since it's far from any kind of obligatory gear upgrade -like, not even close- and encourage people to play more of the game -while learning its mechanics- if they want to get more -nonobligatory- rewards. Not like it wasn't mentioned before, but somehow you just keep dodging "why" and go straight to "how". It's almost as if you do it because addresing "why" simply doesn't suit you. [no sarcasm]

Edited June 18, 2023 by Sobx.1758

[Vyr.9387]

2 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Or we could leave it how it is since it's far from any kind of obligatory gear upgrade -like, not even close- and encourage people to play more of the game -while learning its mechanics- if they want to get more -nonobligatory- rewards. Not like it wasn't mentioned before, but somehow you just keep dodging "why" and go straight to "how". It's almost as if you do it because addresing "why" simply doesn't suit you. [no sarcasm]

Do You know Plato's cave allegory? You remind me of one of those chained people, except You're actively boycotting getting freed.

Why would anyone try making the world a better place for themselves? Because that's the very nature of life opposing the great, austere, uncaring cosmos. Life moves whilst everything around pressures it to stop.
We fight a war we will invariably lose because every single one of us is eventually going to die, but we still learn, we improve, we shape and create... we march on 'till we can't lift our feet off the ground, and even then, to spite the universe itself, we crawl.

Your preference for letting the flow - the status quo - carry - or, rather, bury - You wherever it wishes is Your choice.
I enjoy change.

[Sobx.1758]

17 minutes ago, Vyr.9387 said:

Do You know Plato's cave allegory? You remind me of one of those chained people, except You're actively boycotting getting freed.

Why would anyone try making the world a better place for themselves? Because that's the very nature of life opposing the great, austere, uncaring cosmos. Life moves whilst everything around pressures it to stop.
We fight a war we will invariably lose because every single one of us is eventually going to die, but we still learn, we improve, we shape and create... we march on 'till we can't lift our feet off the ground, and even then, to spite the universe itself, we crawl.

Your preference for letting the flow - the status quo - carry - or, rather, bury - You wherever it wishes is Your choice.

Still waiting for you to address anything written there instead of skipping the whole "why" because it's inconvenient for you. Maybe in your next post you'll manage to target what's written in people's posts instead of targetting me, who knows. And there's reasoning included in the posts other than some it is what it is so leave it how it is! - it's not "just letting the status quo carry" like you're trying to suggest in your bad strawman attempt.

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I enjoy change.

Change your gameplay pattern from tagging a world boss and parking your characters at the end of jps instead of flailing arms for more rewards then.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Sobx.1758

[Jedrik.3109]

Trash game, we should be given a piece of legendary armor per week when we log in. Then trinkets and weapons after that. Anyone who disagrees is a simp for thier game (mode). 

[vares.8457]

8 minutes ago, Vyr.9387 said:

A guy who's hoarded 10,5k posts, most of them bullying others

That’s just nonsense and shows that you aren’t here to discuss legendary armor, you just want to trash talk Sobx

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by vares.8457

[Vyr.9387]

2 minutes ago, vares.8457 said:

There is nothing of importance that you have said here. We have seen it in all the previous threads, some open world casuals want a low effort legendary armor and can’t accept that you can’t get everything in open world. 

There's a plethora of arguments for many different angles of this suggestion, laid out many times over as well.
If You're willingly choosing to embrace Your own ignorance, do live happily ever after.
No honeymoon postcards necessary.

[Sobx.1758]

8 minutes ago, Vyr.9387 said:

Had enough dealing with him to know the worst trash talker of his is the man himself.

Nice of You to take a single sentence (out of its context, no less) and ignore everything else I've said here.
But hey, You're the person with most posts in this thread, very few of which add anything to the discussion at hand.

Birds of a feather...
 

You, my good man, are as inconsequential as You ever were.

Everybody with two brain cells to rub together can see that You're accusing me of dodging while You're the one ignoring everything I say, regurgitating Your own nonsense for one reason or another.
Everybody also sees Your posts and how, in the vast majority of cases, You keep kicking people down, whether they're new or just improperly informed.

I've known You for a while. You have to live with Yourself.
If there's anybody I would care about, it's the forum-goers whose topics have the tragic misfortune of catching Your eye, and whoever has to deal with You on a daily basis.
A bit of Fortune's smile, a couple of the former will read this before it gets deleted and know not to take You seriously.

Which, all in all, is a shame, because when You're not trying to strike an imposing figure, I actually like our back-and-forth.

But maybe the "you're not giving anyone any "slap"' is the real catastrophe here.
Imagine being so deeply rooted in your own delusions that even falling off a logical skyscraper can't hurt you.
From a certain perspective, You're an actual superhero.

Ah so you're still not ready to address anything said in the posts in this thread -aaany time now, surely.
As for your weak baseless attempts at insults, what you keep writing in this thread is as "true" as you claiming you somehow know me at all.

One way or another:

50 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

If the only reasoning you have here is basically "because I want it" then thanks for confirming the point being made here by multiple users.

Your posts did show more than you apparently wanted them to, in regards of the discussed topic. Probably not the contribution you were aiming for, but that wouldn't be the first time, so thanks again.

[vares.8457]

5 minutes ago, Vyr.9387 said:

There's a plethora of arguments for many different angles of this suggestion, laid out many times over as well.
If You're willingly choosing to embrace Your own ignorance, do live happily ever after.
No honeymoon postcards necessary.

There isn’t one good argument for open world legendary armor. Like I wrote before it all comes down to a low effort armor because some think they are better than others and refuse to do what is required. 
The time you spent here crying you could have done some raid wings and get LI for legendary armor 

[SlayerXX.7138]

29 minutes ago, Vyr.9387 said:

If there's anybody I would care about, it's the forum-goers whose topics have the tragic misfortune of catching Your eye, and whoever has to deal with You on a daily basis.
A bit of Fortune's smile, a couple of the former will read this before it gets deleted and know not to take You seriously.

Worst part is they and many others do more or less argue in good faith. They just so far gone in their on bubble they genuinely can't grasp they viewpoint they argue against. Its crazy. Sure disagree with me, but some people miss the point so hard it seems like they are intentionally trolling.

Edited June 18, 2023 by SlayerXX.7138

[Sobx.1758]

1 minute ago, vares.8457 said:

There isn’t one good argument for open world legendary armor. Like I wrote before it all comes down to a low effort armor because some think they are better than others and refuse to do what is required. 
The time you spent here crying you could have done some raid wings and get LI for legendary armor 

Hey, hey, hey! You don't get it, the argument is that he wants it!

Just now, SlayerXX.7138 said:

Worst part is they and many others do more or less argue in good faith. They just so far gone in their on bubble they genuinely can't grasp they viewpoint they argue against. Its crazy. Sure disagree with me, but some people seem unable to see the viewpoint of someone who has 2000 hours or less in the game.

Repeatedly throwing baseless insults in place of any arguments is not how you address someone potentially being in their bubble. If anything, relentlessly dodging everything shows who's -at this point, probably knowingly, hence the dodges- in the bubble here. Your suggestion about people somehow "not being able to see the viewpoint of someone who has less time in the game" is wrong in this case. I had the same opinion about legendary gear and its acquisition when I wasn't aiming at legendaries at all.

[vares.8457]

16 minutes ago, SlayerXX.7138 said:

Worst part is they and many others do more or less argue in good faith. They just so far gone in their on bubble they genuinely can't grasp they viewpoint they argue against. Its crazy. Sure disagree with me, but some people miss the point so hard it seems like they are intentionally trolling.

When raids first came out I did some raiding but nothing too serious and I thought raids aren’t for me. I then started to play a lot of PvP and got my first set of legendary armor. 
After that I got into WvW and still play it most of my time in the game. There I got my second and third legendary armor. 
A year ago I started raiding again, found a great group and do my full clear every week. From raiding I got my fourth legendary armor set because I like the skin of the PvE heavy armor. 

At no point did I think I am better than others and my way to get legendary armor should be to cry on the forum until I get it. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by vares.8457

[SlayerXX.7138]

19 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Repeatedly throwing baseless insults in place of any arguments is not how you address someone potentially being in their bubble. If anything, relentlessly dodging everything shows who's -at this point, probably knowingly, hence the dodges- in the bubble here. Your suggestion about people somehow "not being able to see the viewpoint of someone who has less time in the game" is wrong in this case. I had the same opinion about legendary gear and its acquisition when I wasn't aiming at legendaries at all.

First and foremost i'm dodging nothing. I know that is your Catchphrase, but check this discussion. Linken throwing shade at op and bringing the "IF they do x they devs can't work on y" it not a point you can engage with. It is a non-argument you can say about any suggestion someone dislikes.

Someone who has full Raid armor and casually grinded WvW ring proclaims himself as pretty casual. It is comical. I too think alternative PvE armor is probably not worth implementing, but yo guys are rude, vicious, elitist and flat out unable to see the point of the opposing opinion. Disagree all you want the is your right, but some honest to god can't even understand the point they disagreeing with.

[SlayerXX.7138]

19 minutes ago, vares.8457 said:

When raids first came out I did some raiding but nothing too serious and I thought raids aren’t for me. I then started to play a lot of PvP and got my first set of legendary armor. 
After that I got into WvW and still play it most of my time in the game. There I got my second and third legendary armor. 
A year ago I started raiding again, found a great group and do my full clear every week. From raiding I got my fourth legendary armor set because I like the skin of the PvE heavy armor. 

At no point did I think I am better than others and my way to get legendary armor should be to cry on the forum until I get it. 

How did you read "you guys put to much time and energy into the game to understand normal people" as "hey you are a better person pls give me free legendary". I'm here long enough to know you are not trolling, but god it is sometimes hard to tell.

I'm fine on legendary side of things, thanks. I Could need some trophy to make the next one pls sent.:)

Edited June 18, 2023 by SlayerXX.7138

[vares.8457]

2 minutes ago, SlayerXX.7138 said:

How did you read "you guys put to much time and energy into the game to understand normal people" as "hey you are a better person pls give me free legendary". I'm here long enough to know you are not trolling, but god it is sometimes hard to tell.

I'm fine on legendary side of things, thanks. I Could need some trophy to make the next one pls sent.:)

Oh I wanted to quote the guy before you, sorry my bad. 

[Nate Anabe.6091]

I see the derailing party is in full swing

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