Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 And give every type of utility skill a stealth relic. Ele needs stealth if its ever going to be competitive. 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Play a role and blast other classes smoke fields instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 You blast my smokecales field right now mister! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 yea we all want to play with 10 man in 5v5 hide and seek the entire game ^^. While who already have it, can potentially have it more by that 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whooot.5784 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: And give every type of utility skill a stealth relic. Ele needs stealth if its ever going to be competitive. You can't be serious right? You're trolling, it has to be a troll, right ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Every utility skill? You really don't want to see that gunflame do you... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf.1972 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Hell no, those were toxic and you're toxic for recommending it's return. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Every utility skill? You really don't want to see that gunflame do you... based Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 7 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Every utility skill? You really don't want to see that gunflame do you... Stealth on signet use would be good for the game. Mes and thief get stealth 1 shots so why not war? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Crab.6054 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 18 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Stealth on signet use would be good for the game. Mes and thief get stealth 1 shots so why not war? Pleze lank teef oneshat bild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: Stealth on signet use would be good for the game. Mes and thief get stealth 1 shots so why not war? You gais really want the warriors to burn it all down, eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Every none-stealth class should have core access to a meaningful reveal. The stealth in this game is so low risk given the lack of real counter play to punish bad use of it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whooot.5784 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Flowki.7194 said: Every none-stealth class should have core access to a meaningful reveal. The stealth in this game is so low risk given the lack of real counter play to punish bad use of it. Do you know that ? Necro has reveal with his core shroud, inge has reveal with lock on, ranger has reveal with sic'em, war has reveal with shout, guard has reveal with this stupid braindead DH spear, revenant has reveal with his herald facet. There are only 2 class with no reveal and it's elem and mesmer.. but they have also access to stealth (for mesmer) and a billion way to block/invul/ perma boons their kitten off. (I didn't count thief, cause you know..) So, for 8 class (excepted thief), 6 for 8 has access to reveal, this is legit 75% of theim, and the 25% remaining doesn't need reveal because I just decided to. You're just a thief hater, try again, give us some love instead please, you will be kind, thanks you. Edited January 21 by whooot.5784 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 54 minutes ago, whooot.5784 said: Do you know that ? Necro has reveal with his core shroud, inge has reveal with lock on, ranger has reveal with sic'em, war has reveal with shout, guard has reveal with this stupid braindead DH spear, revenant has reveal with his herald facet. There are only 2 class with no reveal and it's elem and mesmer.. but they have also access to stealth (for mesmer) and a billion way to block/invul/ perma boons their kitten off. (I didn't count thief, cause you know..) So, for 8 class (excepted thief), 6 for 8 has access to reveal, this is legit 75% of theim, and the 25% remaining doesn't need reveal because I just decided to. You're just a thief hater, try again, give us some love instead please, you will be kind, thanks you. Fighting a thief is boring. You know exactly what they are doing.. but you can't do nothing to stop them, just dodge/mitigate/cleave/ground aoe jump after jump (In which you can die) and hope he gets too greedy so that "eventuallly" you can actually kill him. If he doesnt get greedy.. unkillable. Only time you'll see him is a +1 steal > 2 2 2 spam. Thrilling, high skill, high risk gameplay. Edited January 21 by Flowki.7194 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, whooot.5784 said: Do you know that ? Necro has reveal with his core shroud, inge has reveal with lock on, ranger has reveal with sic'em, war has reveal with shout, guard has reveal with this stupid braindead DH spear, revenant has reveal with his herald facet. There are only 2 class with no reveal and it's elem and mesmer.. but they have also access to stealth (for mesmer) and a billion way to block/invul/ perma boons their kitten off. (I didn't count thief, cause you know..) So, for 8 class (excepted thief), 6 for 8 has access to reveal, this is legit 75% of theim, and the 25% remaining doesn't need reveal because I just decided to. You're just a thief hater, try again, give us some love instead please, you will be kind, thanks you. I mean, if thief gets revealed, it can just legit runaway and try again, Ele doesn't really have the tools to disengage so easily Edited January 21 by Mini Crinny.6190 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Crab.6054 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 25 minutes ago, Mini Crinny.6190 said: I mean, if thief gets revealed, it can just legit runaway and try again, Ele doesn't really have the tools to disengage so easily You mean, why does ele even need to run from thief, don't pretend like ele isn't very defensively offensive. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Crab.6054 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I don't see how eles struggle with thief, it literally blows my mind. You don't need reveal with all the aoe, passive damage, and burns + all the defensives you have. You need to practice more on OTHER classes. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 14 minutes ago, Last Crab.6054 said: You mean, why does ele even need to run from thief, don't pretend like ele isn't very defensively offensive. I didn't mention that ele had to run from thief specifically, it's just easier for a thief to get out of a bad situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephKatz.9375 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 1/19/2024 at 10:28 PM, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: And give every type of utility skill a stealth relic. Ele needs stealth if its ever going to be competitive. You won’t ever be competitive, so why even bother? 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 14 hours ago, Mini Crinny.6190 said: I mean, if thief gets revealed, it can just legit runaway and try again, Ele doesn't really have the tools to disengage so easily This isnt specific to ele. There are reveals in the game but they are locked within certain specs, and a lot of those specs don't actually see massive use compared to the combination of specs with stealth in use (SB aside). Then ofc, some entire classes don't have stealth, or core access to reveal. Core reveal completely changes the game.. and makes all specs with stealth have to re-consider when and who they go invis around. It creates counter play, which is 101 for any healthy game. Lets call it the unblockable to blocks. Unblockables are a powerful tool that should not be overused, reveal is the exact same thing.. which is why classes withought stealth should really be the only ones who have core access to it. Ranger is bloated in this way, having stealth+reveal. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephKatz.9375 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 6 hours ago, Flowki.7194 said: This isnt specific to ele. There are reveals in the game but they are locked within certain specs, and a lot of those specs don't actually see massive use compared to the combination of specs with stealth in use (SB aside). Then ofc, some entire classes don't have stealth, or core access to reveal. Core reveal completely changes the game.. and makes all specs with stealth have to re-consider when and who they go invis around. It creates counter play, which is 101 for any healthy game. Lets call it the unblockable to blocks. Unblockables are a powerful tool that should not be overused, reveal is the exact same thing.. which is why classes withought stealth should really be the only ones who have core access to it. Ranger is bloated in this way, having stealth+reveal. I’m not sure if you’re avoiding mentioning engineer on purpose or not - regardless, they also have on demand stealth, AND the most passive and broken Reveal in the entire game. Every 10 seconds you will be hit with a reveal from engi. Think about that, stealth into auto reveal after an attack is 4 seconds. So any stealth burst gets off one attack, before engi can force reveal by doing damage to the thief and typically that’s through non specific AOE. So not only does this BLOAT go against everything you said above, but it’s also used in literally every engi meta build in the game right now to counter anything that stealths. Edited January 22 by JosephKatz.9375 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 43 minutes ago, JosephKatz.9375 said: I’m not sure if you’re avoiding mentioning engineer on purpose or not - regardless, they also have on demand stealth, AND the most passive and broken Reveal in the entire game. Every 10 seconds you will be hit with a reveal from engi. Think about that, thief auto reveal after an attack is 4 seconds. So thief can legit get off one attack, before engi can force reveal by doing damage to the thief and typically that’s through non specific AOE. So not only does this BLOAT go against everything you said above, but it’s also used in literally every engi meta build in the game right now to counter anything that stealths. So whats your point? A low skill stealth counter means we should not have stealth counters? And if you read properly, I was refering to classes that don't have stealth. I only mentioned ranger becuase that class is currently the most bloated over all. It has access to litterally everything, at a functional level at-least. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/20/2024 at 2:16 PM, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Every utility skill? You really don't want to see that gunflame do you... Gunflame now reveals you and the projectile moves slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: Gunflame now reveals you and the projectile moves slower. I'll do it in melee then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: I'll do it in melee then. Close and personal with mah boomstick. Just how we like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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