Jobber.6348 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Enchanted Daggers - can be recasted to consume all remaining daggers to heal for up to 4200 HP. 700~ HP heal per dagger consumed. or - can be recasted to launch all the daggers at your target, dealing the siphon damage and heal if they hit their target. Jade Winds - Ignores Blind Condition - Unblockable 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeyeti.8347 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Jade winds need to have a big reduce cost in energy in pve , nobody use it to cc or breakbar as it consume all of your energy. Maybe less powerfull but half the price in energy, 50 is too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 1 Author Share Posted September 1 57 minutes ago, zeyeti.8347 said: Jade winds need to have a big reduce cost in energy in pve , nobody use it to cc or breakbar as it consume all of your energy. Maybe less powerfull but half the price in energy, 50 is too much. Yea that's just a huge issue with having something cost 50 Energy in general. They did try to give it huge damage though, but clearly not enough to warrant using it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, zeyeti.8347 said: Jade winds need to have a big reduce cost in energy in pve , nobody use it to cc or breakbar as it consume all of your energy. Maybe less powerfull but half the price in energy, 50 is too much. Idea to add on Jade winds in all content modes. •Jade Winds: Aside the effects it already does, you now also gain max 2 lifesteal enchanted daggers if you hit an enemy, doesn't stack with more. These 2 enchanted daggers are unblockable and each can steal 1 one of the following boons (protection, resolution, quickness, 2 stability stacks) in WvW and PvP Jade Winds should be less energy too, for these parts 35 is fine, to make it not too spammy. It would have more reliable useage then. And Phase traversal in PvP should be 25 energy, since it already has a long enough cd. In WvW 30 energy instead of 35 energy, since 5 seconds cd still but more manageable for overall energy useage. Edited September 1 by arazoth.7290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 They could lower jadewind cost to 20 energy in pve & maybe one in 50 scenarios it actually gets a use... if they would add stuff like extra defiance bar dmg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 Honestly feel like Energy Dump Elite design for Revenant should be reconsidered in the future. Out of all Legends, only Shiro and Jalis are the ones left who have Energy Dump Elites. While Jalis does confer unique properties like giving your 5 man stack 50% damage reduction, which does stack with Protection with diminishing returns mind you, making it a relatively powerful Elite skill, Shiro on the other hand only does damage, vuln and CC. (and let's not forget you do no damage for CC skills in competitive anyway) So there are two directions for Shiro's Elite: 1. Make the skill more impactful, justifies its energy cost. 2. Rework the skill into being less impactful but more strategic in nature, shaves down energy cost. Some ideas for both: 1. Jade Winds - Deals initial damage and stunning enemies - leaves behind a Lightning Field that inflicts conditions and damage per tick (Vulnerability and Cripple) 2. Echoing Banishment - 900 range, marks your target with a Death Mark and Stuns them for 1 second. (or 300 Defiance Damage) - 30 Energy Death Mark - Your next attack against the target rips up to 3 boons and deals bonus damage. (Damage is a 2nd instance of damage that can also trigger on-hit effects similar to Impossible Odds) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 (edited) Gonna throw in a Devastation tweak in here as well: Battle Scarred reverted to Jade Echo Jade Winds changed to: Mediation of the Reaper Enter a defensive stance, blocking attacks for 2 seconds. Max attacks blocked 5 Unleash a burst of energy, stealing life and inflicting enemies with Conditions based on how many attacks taken. Life Siphon Damage per attack blocked: 500 Life Siphon Healing per attack blocked: 100 3 stacks of Vulnerability per attack blocked 600 Radius, 5 Targets Edited September 4 by Jobber.6348 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 3 hours ago, Jobber.6348 said: Gonna throw in a Devastation tweak in here as well: Battle Scarred reverted to Jade Echo Jade Winds changed to: Mediation of the Reaper Enter a defensive stance, blocking attacks for 2 seconds. Max attacks blocked 5 Unleash a burst of energy, stealing life and inflicting enemies with Conditions based on how many attacks taken. Life Siphon Damage per attack blocked: 500 Life Siphon Healing per attack blocked: 100 3 stacks of Vulnerability per attack blocked 600 Radius, 5 Targets How does this gives an assassin feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 6 hours ago, arazoth.7290 said: How does this gives an assassin feeling? Does it have to? Just exploring more Shiro-centric designs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Jobber.6348 said: Does it have to? Just exploring more Shiro-centric designs here. Was shiro now an assassin or not since I read assassin stance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 (edited) 17 minutes ago, arazoth.7290 said: Was shiro now an assassin or not since I read assassin stance? Actually, he wasn't an Assassin. They randomly gave him the title "Legendary Assassin" when in the trailer and lore, he straight up openly X'd the emperor infront of bodyguards and servants. Also, he only got the chance to do so because he was the Emperor's trusted warrior and bodyguard, meaning he did nothing remotely "assassin" to even get near his target. He should really be retitled to "Legendary Betrayer" Edited September 4 by Jobber.6348 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 3 hours ago, Jobber.6348 said: Actually, he wasn't an Assassin. They randomly gave him the title "Legendary Assassin" when in the trailer and lore, he straight up openly X'd the emperor infront of bodyguards and servants. Also, he only got the chance to do so because he was the Emperor's trusted warrior and bodyguard, meaning he did nothing remotely "assassin" to even get near his target. He should really be retitled to "Legendary Betrayer" ahhhh, and I also found where you got the inspiration from some attacks he does. Would it be the same cd and lower energy cost then in ur opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, arazoth.7290 said: ahhhh, and I also found where you got the inspiration from some attacks he does. Would it be the same cd and lower energy cost then in ur opinion? Probably 30 - 40 Energy since it's a Block and can steal up to 2500 health. Then again, I'm not a balancing numbers genius, but had to throw some numbers up anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 5 minutes ago, Jobber.6348 said: Probably 30 - 40 Energy since it's a Block and can steal up to 2500 health. Then again, I'm not a balancing numbers genius, but had to throw some numbers up anyway. 35 would be fine inbetween I guess. It would make jade winds more useable all around. The damage/heal in pve would probably a lot higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angesombre.4630 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Let's say that Shiro, with all the nerfing he's undergone and even in his features, should have a revision of his skills, both healing, jade wind, and the rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 (edited) 5 hours ago, Angesombre.4630 said: Let's say that Shiro, with all the nerfing he's undergone and even in his features, should have a revision of his skills, both healing, jade wind, and the rest. Been advocating for this forever. On another note: Centaur can use a QoL update to be similar to Specter and Shade. Make their Tablet skills aside from their basic healing pulse also pulse from the Revenant. This has been a long standing issue with Centaur in that they have to sacrifice supporting the stack to expand their range of healing and since Anet refuses to give us a solid ranged healing weapon, this simple QoL would straight up make Centaur and Heal Revenant in general just BETTER. Edited September 5 by Jobber.6348 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 13 hours ago, Jobber.6348 said: Actually, he wasn't an Assassin. They randomly gave him the title "Legendary Assassin" when in the trailer and lore, he straight up openly X'd the emperor infront of bodyguards and servants. Also, he only got the chance to do so because he was the Emperor's trusted warrior and bodyguard, meaning he did nothing remotely "assassin" to even get near his target. He should really be retitled to "Legendary Betrayer" I'm pretty sure GW1 did specify that he was an assassin by class in his first life. Now, being an assassin by class does not mean that he was actually an assassin by trade - what we know of his life seems to indicate that before becoming the emperor's bodyguard he was an adventurer who happened to use the same skillset as assassins, and his role as a bodyguard was probably similar to willbenders in being able to use shadowsteps to quickly intervene against threats. But the label fits. When we fight him in GW1, he's also been augmented by the powers he gained as a rogue envoy, but assassin-like mobility is still a significant part of his toolkit, which is reflected in the skills associated with his legend and weapons in GW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber.6348 Posted September 9 Author Share Posted September 9 (edited) Here's a wild idea: Unrelenting Assault swaps with Phase Traversal Phase Traversal (sword) - 900 range Shadowstep, dealing damage - Grants Quickness, additional Quickness on striking a target - 15 Energy - 10s Cooldown Unrelenting Assault (Shiro) - Evades while shadowstepping to enemies within 600 radius, striking them. - Up to 5 strikes, 5 targets - Grants Might on striking a target - Unblockable - 5s cooldown - 30 Energy Wilder Idea: Impossible Odds - 25 Energy - All attacks for the next 7s strike for an additional hit - Grants Superspeed on cast Unrelenting Assault (upkeep -6) - Evades while shadowstepping to targets rapidly, striking them - gain Might when you strike a target - Striking the same target debuffs you with a stack of Exhaustion, increasing the upkeep cost by 1 until you release the Upkeep or you run out of Energy Edited September 9 by Jobber.6348 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sereath.1428 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Very interesting, actually. ✔️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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