5 man queue season 11 trial

[Nova.3817]

if were gonna subscibe to the solo mentality they should just req AT to be solo que only ... all in the name of fairness of course!

[Crab Fear.1624]

@Nova.3817 said:if were gonna subscibe to the solo mentality they should just req AT to be solo que only ... all in the name of fairness of course!

LOL, would it be the same few teams always winning anymore?

[Sylosi.6503]

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:Where were all these yes voters when this poll first came out?

There are barely any voters of any sort in this poll, that should be the clue as to why a poll like this does not match up with the results of an official poll...

[Exalted Quality.8534]

@Sylosi.6503 said:

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:Where were all these yes voters when this poll first came out?

There are barely any voters of any sort in this poll, that should be the clue as to why a poll like this does not match up with the results of an official poll...

Perhaps people realize the futility of such a poll. ANET devs have given us no reason to beleive they are focused on making PvP a more enjoyable experience.

It’s my opinion that there was overwhelming support for solo/duoQ from PvE players because they were salty that legendary wings were taking longer than a season to compete. Now that most of them have already “earned” their wings, they’ve left us with crap ass solo/duoq and moved back to PvE.

[Sylosi.6503]

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:

@Sylosi.6503 said:

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:Where were all these yes voters when this poll first came out?

There are barely any voters of any sort in this poll, that should be the clue as to why a poll like this does not match up with the results of an official poll...

Perhaps people realize the futility of such a poll. ANET devs have given us no reason to beleive they are focused on making PvP a more enjoyable experience.

Pretty much every random poll like this on the forums is futile because firstly the vast majority of the playerbase will not even read the thread, let alone vote on it and secondly in most polls (including this one) there is usually one side who feel more strongly about the poll than the other (they typically feel the current situation is wrong, unfair, etc so are often more bothered about it), so that group is more 'active', which then distorts a poll that is already statistically worthless, even more.

It’s my opinion that there was overwhelming support for solo/duoQ from PvE players because they were salty that legendary wings were taking longer than a season to compete. Now that most of them have already “earned” their wings, they’ve left us with crap kitten solo/duoq and moved back to PvE.

This is apparently going to come as a shock, but most people in PvP games play solo/duo, then of the people that play in groups larger than that most also play solo / duo at least some of the time, very few people play only as 3/4/5 man groups, hence the result of the official poll should not have been a massive surprise to anyone.

[Crab Fear.1624]

@Sylosi.6503 said:

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:

@Sylosi.6503 said:

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:Where were all these yes voters when this poll first came out?

There are barely any voters of any sort in this poll, that should be the clue as to why a poll like this does not match up with the results of an official poll...

Perhaps people realize the futility of such a poll. ANET devs have given us no reason to beleive they are focused on making PvP a more enjoyable experience.

Pretty much every random poll like this on the forums is futile because firstly the vast majority of the playerbase will not even read the thread, let alone vote on it and secondly in most polls (including this one) there is usually one side who feel more strongly about the poll than the other (they typically feel the current situation is wrong, unfair, etc so are often more bothered about it), so that group is more 'active', which then distorts a poll that is already statistically worthless, even more.

It’s my opinion that there was overwhelming support for solo/duoQ from PvE players because they were salty that legendary wings were taking longer than a season to compete. Now that most of them have already “earned” their wings, they’ve left us with crap kitten solo/duo q and moved back to PvE.

This is apparently going to come as a shock, but most people in PvP games play solo/duo, then of the people that play in groups larger than that most also play solo / duo at least some of the time, very few people play only as 3/4/5 man groups, hence the result of the official poll should not have been a massive surprise to anyone.

Disclaimer: All of the below is my opinion. I am dug in, but if I stated something factually wrong, my "opinion" can be swayed.

Well the poll was for a trial, and the devs said post season there would be another poll to see if the changes should stay. That second poll never happened.

It would make sense that conquest would have more solo and duo players. There is not a team requirement and you can just go at your leisure.I am pretty sure when there were team arenas in GW1, more people just played random arenas.

But there was also ON DEMAND structured competitive team required games in Guild Wars 1 such as GvG and HA with with rankings.During GW1's prime, they were always popping and popular.

Currently ATs do not compare to this, nor satisfy the needs of PVP guilds.

Competitive guild rankings would make more sense than individual leaderboard positions in a team based game. Sure, you q up solo, but random or not, you play on a team.

My OP in this thread explains why I feel this way.

If they released a Gw2 version of GvG or HA, I would bet my left nutella jar that it would be relatively as popular.

But, I don't expect things to change.

I am not satisfied with the situation, so I don't play the game mode. I will come to the forums and discuss though, in case that a miracle happens and the devs pop in and drop some awesome news.

[Panda.3620]

As long as it queue a premade 5 people team against another premade 5 people team I don't care.

If it queue 4 premade with 1 random against a 4 premade with 1 random, i'm agains't it.

There will be a team that will win it all until people don't queue anymore for 5v5 team pvp because of rating loss.So they will start playing a 4 premade, forcing two random players to their luck.

I like our current system, matches are balanced, duo/premade teams are just a excuse for someone to carry low skilled players on his backpack or be carried.

On high ratings, duo is just a way of making sure you have someone skilled on your team, but as a solo player, I like the odds of playing in a place where everyone have only themselves to trust.

[witcher.3197]

@Panda.3620 said:I like our current system, matches are balanced

Hi, could I get an invite to your reality? Because I'm clearly living in a different one.

[Stephen.1207]

I get better matches in unrank were people can 5 man a team why is that its because u not stuck in a div with the same players all the time insted teams get more rondom meaning u get a good player on the team or 2 by luck u may win and the matches seem more closer then rank like scores 400-500 not like rank 110 to 500

[Nova.3817]

@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Nova.3817 said:if were gonna subscibe to the solo mentality they should just req AT to be solo que only ... all in the name of fairness of course!

LOL, would it be the same few teams always winning anymore?

no since ATS dont have matchmaking at all teams would be random entirely and it would make for a fair shot at winning any tourny....of course all notions of competitive go out the window but that seems to be the direction everyone wants anyways thus my point.

[Nova.3817]

@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Nova.3817 said:if were gonna subscibe to the solo mentality they should just req AT to be solo que only ... all in the name of fairness of course!

LOL, would it be the same few teams always winning anymore?

no since ATS dont have matchmaking at all teams would be random entirely and it would make for a fair shot at winning any tourny....of course all notions of competitive go out the window but that seems to be the direction everyone wants anyways thus my point.

[shadowpass.4236]

This game will never be competitive again if there's no team que.

Why do you think all of these player-run tournaments are so popular? People want to play with their friends and others are interested in watching as well.

I don't see why we can't give team que a trial run for a season. The solo que was supposed to be a trial as well, however Anet lied and made it permanent instead.

[ReaverKane.7598]

@Sylosi.6503 said:

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:

@Sylosi.6503 said:

@Exalted Quality.8534 said:Where were all these yes voters when this poll first came out?

There are barely any voters of any sort in this poll, that should be the clue as to why a poll like this does not match up with the results of an official poll...

Perhaps people realize the futility of such a poll. ANET devs have given us no reason to beleive they are focused on making PvP a more enjoyable experience.

Pretty much every random poll like this on the forums is futile because firstly the vast majority of the playerbase will not even read the thread, let alone vote on it and secondly in most polls (including this one) there is usually one side who feel more strongly about the poll than the other (they typically feel the current situation is wrong, unfair, etc so are often more bothered about it), so that group is more 'active', which then distorts a poll that is already statistically worthless, even more.

It’s my opinion that there was overwhelming support for solo/duoQ from PvE players because they were salty that legendary wings were taking longer than a season to compete. Now that most of them have already “earned” their wings, they’ve left us with crap kitten solo/duoq and moved back to PvE.

This is apparently going to come as a shock, but most people in PvP games play solo/duo, then of the people that play in groups larger than that most also play solo / duo at least some of the time, very few people play only as 3/4/5 man groups, hence the result of the official poll should not have been a massive surprise to anyone.

Here's a issue i have with this whole poll thing...So because of a different discussion i've been looking a lot at the statistics in GW2 Efficiency, and i hit a disturbing note:Out of everyone playing sPvP only ~11% are rank 80 or higher... Meaning that 89% of players don't care enough about sPvP to play it consistently enough to have done something that a lot of people did in the first year the game released (reach Rank 80).

So now you're telling me that a majority vote should matter on an issue that only ~10% of people actually care about enough to invest the time to even just rank to 80, only about 6% have enough ranked games played to have been on the leader boards every season (120 per season x 10 seasons = 1 200 ranked games).

So why do you expect the vote to help improve sPvP when the majority doesn't really play that much of it? And i'll admit i'm not in that majority, i could have been closer than i am, but i like to play with my guild mates, that's why i play MMORPGs. And its not fun when we have to split into pairs and maybe leave one guy alone, or have to play the less rewarding game mode (which i've done often, until i actually stopped playing entirely).Every other pvp game privileges teams in team modes, which Conquest most certainly is. And yet GW2 doesn't. Small wonder its floundering hard!

The majority posted simply to advance their ease of farming. Its certainly easier to farm and get wins (and win-trade) when the competitive aspect of the game is entirely ruined.

[Crab Fear.1624]

If they ever release a team required competitive ON DEMAND game mode with "team" rankings, I will never play conquest/ranked/random arenas again

[Panda.3620]

@witcher.3197 said:

@Panda.3620 said:I like our current system, matches are balanced

Hi, could I get an invite to your reality? Because I'm clearly living in a different one.

Just check the leaderboards w/l rating of the players, seems pretty balanced to me plat division.

You win some, you lose some, that's the reality, if you can't afford losing don't play a competitive mode, there will be matches that will be one sided, yes. Deal with it, it's normal, every competitive game has it, there is no fix. Sometimes the stars align, sometimes your team have no sinergy, sometimes you get an afk, sometimes you get a bad player.

But anyways, I can't speak for other divisions, but taking a look at the leaderboards, plat division is pretty balanced w/l wise.

On bronze/silver you can't expect to have a balanced match skill wise, since there is no skill to begin it, it's players learning pvp, their class and get a feeling of a competitive environment, gold is where people think they know how to play the game but still have much to learn, gold players are mostly class skilled wise, but lack awareness. map control, how to rotate so they're on a winrate of 50~%, since they cant win more than they lose, they're stuck.

Plat are players that are somewhat decent and have a good knowledge of how to play all together.But still, as I said earlier there will be matches where the stars don't align class composition/sinergy wise.

So premade teams are just a excuse for bronze/silver/gold players to climb something they don't deserve and plat players to maintain their spots on the LB and try to supress their losses, making it easier to climb the LB, so there will be players on the LB that are there because of their skill and players that were just carried.

[Crab Fear.1624]

@"Vieux P.1238" said:Yes i said it! No one else. Yeah yeah i can hear the rants & all the multi excuses vs my point. But hear this for a sec.... You got to agree. No matter how many times Anet balances the classes. No matter how many times Anet makes up new changes to matchmaking & spvp conquest. No matter how good or how new you are in this game mode. CONQUEST WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DON'T GO BY THE NUMBERS. I said it & i said it before. It takes only one player in your team to F it up. & it punishes you & the whole team no matter what. In most of the time there's no catching up. Conquest in RANK, has got to be replaced by an other game mode that does not punish the whole match for you or another that messed up. That AFK's. That Wintrade's. That hacks. There is no but's about it. Rank deserve a new look at it's core game mode & replaced by a new one. Keep conquest in unrank.

your original thread

to show i didnt edit it

Hmm... a game mode that doesnt punish you for messing up or someone you dont know messing up....

like a team required game mode?

[Crab Fear.1624]

I post team related arguments here even if the original intent was for a team based conquest trial. But honestly I would love a permanent team game mode with"team/guild " leaderboards instead of individual ratings. Now that is not saying I wouldn't want to earn some kind of rank (with a cool emote like GW1) over an extended period of time. If Anet plans to keep the Gw2 machine running for a while longer (4-6 more years?), then making it difficult to attain would not be an issue for me either.I truly believe that if they would expand their team based PVP and bring out new modes, return GvG and some form of HA they would draw a lot more players in and keep them.

Imagine seeing your guild name in tag in a world chat saying "Some Guild [Gild] won some funky battle in the Special Place"

In GW1 prime win trading and the concept was virtually non-existent because the better team would prevail. I don't care if they keep the ranked and leaderboards but I never could understand the concept of being individually rated for a team effort, even if it is in many other games, it does not mean it's right.

[Vieux P.1238]

@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@"Vieux P.1238" said:Yes i said it! No one else. Yeah yeah i can hear the rants & all the multi excuses vs my point. But hear this for a sec.... You got to agree. No matter how many times Anet balances the classes. No matter how many times Anet makes up new changes to matchmaking & spvp conquest. No matter how good or how new you are in this game mode.

CONQUEST WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DON'T GO BY THE NUMBERS.

I said it & i said it before. It takes only one player in your team to F it up. & it punishes you & the whole team no matter what. In most of the time there's no catching up. Conquest in RANK, has got to be replaced by an other game mode that does not punish the whole match for you or another that messed up. That AFK's. That Wintrade's. That hacks. There is no but's about it. Rank deserve a new look at it's core game mode & replaced by a new one. Keep conquest in unrank.

your original thread

to show i didnt edit it

Hmm... a game mode that doesnt punish you for messing up or someone you dont know messing up....

like a team required game mode?

Hey i forgot about that one..& look, i got 15 thumbs up.. :dizzy: WoooW

[shadowpass.4236]

@Vieux P.1238 said:

@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Vieux P.1238 said:Yes i said it! No one else. Yeah yeah i can hear the rants & all the multi excuses vs my point. But hear this for a sec.... You got to agree. No matter how many times Anet balances the classes. No matter how many times Anet makes up new changes to matchmaking & spvp conquest. No matter how good or how new you are in this game mode.

CONQUEST WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DON'T GO BY THE NUMBERS.

I said it & i said it before. It takes only one player in your team to F it up. & it punishes you & the whole team no matter what. In most of the time there's no catching up. Conquest in RANK, has got to be replaced by an other game mode that does not punish the whole match for you or another that messed up. That AFK's. That Wintrade's. That hacks. There is no but's about it. Rank deserve a new look at it's core game mode & replaced by a new one. Keep conquest in unrank.

your original thread

to show i didnt edit it

Hmm... a game mode that doesnt punish you for messing up or someone you dont know messing up....

like a team required game mode?

Hey i forgot about that one..& look, i got 15 thumbs up.. :dizzy: WoooW

That's because you're arguing against solo que.

You said, "It only takes one player on your team to mess it up."

So... what's the solution? The option to pick all of your teammates.

[Vieux P.1238]

@shadowpass.4236 said:

@Vieux P.1238 said:

@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Vieux P.1238 said:Yes i said it! No one else. Yeah yeah i can hear the rants & all the multi excuses vs my point. But hear this for a sec.... You got to agree. No matter how many times Anet balances the classes. No matter how many times Anet makes up new changes to matchmaking & spvp conquest. No matter how good or how new you are in this game mode.

CONQUEST WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DON'T GO BY THE NUMBERS.

I said it & i said it before. It takes only one player in your team to F it up. & it punishes you & the whole team no matter what. In most of the time there's no catching up. Conquest in RANK, has got to be replaced by an other game mode that does not punish the whole match for you or another that messed up. That AFK's. That Wintrade's. That hacks. There is no but's about it. Rank deserve a new look at it's core game mode & replaced by a new one. Keep conquest in unrank.

your original thread

to show i didnt edit it

Hmm... a game mode that doesnt punish you for messing up or someone you dont know messing up....

like a team required game mode?

Hey i forgot about that one..& look, i got 15 thumbs up.. :dizzy: WoooW

That's because you're arguing against solo que.

You said, "It only takes one player on your team to mess it up."

So... what's the solution? The option to pick all of your teammates.

Plz quote me where i'm arguing against myself or soloQ cuz i'm not sure i see what you mean.

[shadowpass.4236]

@Vieux P.1238 said:

@shadowpass.4236 said:

@Vieux P.1238 said:

@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Vieux P.1238 said:Yes i said it! No one else. Yeah yeah i can hear the rants & all the multi excuses vs my point. But hear this for a sec.... You got to agree. No matter how many times Anet balances the classes. No matter how many times Anet makes up new changes to matchmaking & spvp conquest. No matter how good or how new you are in this game mode.

CONQUEST WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DON'T GO BY THE NUMBERS.

I said it & i said it before. It takes only one player in your team to F it up. & it punishes you & the whole team no matter what. In most of the time there's no catching up. Conquest in RANK, has got to be replaced by an other game mode that does not punish the whole match for you or another that messed up. That AFK's. That Wintrade's. That hacks. There is no but's about it. Rank deserve a new look at it's core game mode & replaced by a new one. Keep conquest in unrank.

your original thread

to show i didnt edit it

Hmm... a game mode that doesnt punish you for messing up or someone you dont know messing up....

like a team required game mode?

Hey i forgot about that one..& look, i got 15 thumbs up.. :dizzy: WoooW

That's because you're arguing against solo que.

You said, "It only takes one player on your team to mess it up."

So... what's the solution? The option to pick all of your teammates.

Plz quote me where i'm arguing against myself or soloQ cuz i'm not sure i see what you mean.

1. "It takes only one player in your team to F it up. & it punishes you & the whole team no matter what."

2. "Conquest in RANK, has got to be replaced by an other game mode that does not punish the whole match for you or another that messed up."

3. "That AFK's. That Wintrade's. That hacks. There is no but's about it."

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4. How do you solve the problem of a weak teammate?

   • Team que.

5. How do you come back from a teammate doing poorly?

   • Team que.

6. How do you prevent losing from afking, wintrading, and hacking?

   • Team que.

[sephiroth.4217]

@"Panda.3620" said:

So premade teams are just a excuse for bronze/silver/gold players to climb something they don't deserve and plat players to maintain their spots on the LB and try to supress their losses, making it easier to climb the LB, so there will be players on the LB that are there because of their skill and players that were just carried.

How do you come to that conclusion when people are happy to be capped before platinum similar to the duo system?

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To summarize this thread:Team queue player: "Can we have team queue to farm with friends and play with friends"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to platinum"Team queue player: "Put a cap on it like Duo then"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"Team queue player: "We just said we want to play with friends or have competitive play"Solo Queue player: "No because all you want to do is pug stomp as a premade"Team queue player: "We don't mind our own queue and would prefer 5v5 modes"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"

and round n round it goes.

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We have team queue players (and a few solo q) offering suggestions to cater to everyone and I do hope Anet considers their suggestions.

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[Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@"Panda.3620" said:

So premade teams are just a excuse for bronze/silver/gold players to climb something they don't deserve and plat players to maintain their spots on the LB and try to supress their losses, making it easier to climb the LB, so there will be players on the LB that are there because of their skill and players that were just carried.

How do you come to that conclusion when people are happy to be capped before platinum similar to the duo system?

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To summarize this thread:Team queue player: "Can we have team queue to farm with friends and play with friends"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to platinum"Team queue player: "Put a cap on it like Duo then"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"Team queue player: "We just said we want to play with friends or have competitive play"Solo Queue player: "No because all you want to do is pug stomp as a premade"Team queue player: "We don't mind our own queue and would prefer 5v5 modes"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"

and round n round it goes.

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We have team queue players (and a few solo q) offering suggestions to cater to everyone and I do hope Anet considers their suggestions.

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exactly this is the type of obstructionism u face. even with facts thrown around disproving the farming nonsense. this is what we get. also if that statement some poster made (Reaverkane) of most players who signed into gw2 effiency not even having reached rank 80 is true. and that is a big IF. then it makes the notion of them literally dictating that no implentation or not even arguing team queue bieng present even more absurd. but if there rank is really that low it would indicate a lack of experience and explain why they even have such a skewed opinon.

I can understand arguments about top tiers all teaming up, or maby teams carrying that solo player higher then he would giving him a rating that does not truly reflect solo queu level or anything like that. I can understand discussing that. But if u are not even gonna accept facts for what they are but keep ad nauseuming the same:: ''No just want to farm solo's trololol'' nonsense. then at that point what kind of argument is there to be had? I'm pretty sure they are other solid arguments on the other side. but this is just absurd.

[sephiroth.4217]

@"Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318" said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@"Panda.3620" said:

So premade teams are just a excuse for bronze/silver/gold players to climb something they don't deserve and plat players to maintain their spots on the LB and try to supress their losses, making it easier to climb the LB, so there will be players on the LB that are there because of their skill and players that were just carried.

How do you come to that conclusion when people are happy to be capped before platinum similar to the duo system?

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To summarize this thread:Team queue player: "Can we have team queue to farm with friends and play with friends"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to platinum"Team queue player: "Put a cap on it like Duo then"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"Team queue player: "We just said we want to play with friends or have competitive play"Solo Queue player: "No because all you want to do is pug stomp as a premade"Team queue player: "We don't mind our own queue and would prefer 5v5 modes"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"

and round n round it goes.

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We have team queue players (and a few solo q) offering suggestions to cater to everyone and I do hope Anet considers their suggestions.

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exactly this is the type of obstructionism u face. even with facts thrown around disproving the farming nonsense. this is what we get. also if that statement some poster made (Reaverkane) of most players who signed into gw2 effiency not even having reached rank 80 is true. and that is a big IF. then it makes the notion of them literally dictating that no implentation or not even arguing team queue bieng present even more absurd. but if there rank is really that low it would indicate a lack of experience and explain why they even have such a skewed opinon.

I can understand arguments about top tiers all teaming up, or maby teams carrying that solo player higher then he would giving him a rating that does not truly reflect solo queu level or anything like that. I can understand discussing that. But if u are not even gonna accept facts for what they are but keep ad nauseuming the same:: ''No just want to farm solo's trololol'' nonsense. then at that point what kind of argument is there to be had? I'm pretty sure they are other solid arguments on the other side. but this is just absurd.

Well thats it ey, even if a solo player gets carried by a team, he's only going to fall once he's not matched up with said team.

If top tier teams give you smashing, well that's because they are better than you. (not you specifically, but the ones who complain about losing to them... They are top tier for a reason)

[Paarthurnax.8931]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@"Panda.3620" said:

So premade teams are just a excuse for bronze/silver/gold players to climb something they don't deserve and plat players to maintain their spots on the LB and try to supress their losses, making it easier to climb the LB, so there will be players on the LB that are there because of their skill and players that were just carried.

How do you come to that conclusion when people are happy to be capped before platinum similar to the duo system?

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To summarize this thread:Team queue player: "Can we have team queue to farm with friends and play with friends"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to platinum"Team queue player: "Put a cap on it like Duo then"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"Team queue player: "We just said we want to play with friends or have competitive play"Solo Queue player: "No because all you want to do is pug stomp as a premade"Team queue player: "We don't mind our own queue and would prefer 5v5 modes"Solo Queue player: "No because you just want to be carried to the leaderboards"

and round n round it goes.

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We have team queue players (and a few solo q) offering suggestions to cater to everyone and I do hope Anet considers their suggestions.

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You still can DUO though, I like our current system, would be better if they don't let players above 1500 rating to duo, that way, gold players that made into plat will just bounce between gold and plat, don't affecting too much the people who play for the LB.

I don't mind a 5v5 premade gamemode as long as it has it separate leaderboards and queue, because if they mix the LB together, it will not reflect skill, will be a mix of good players and friends.