Herald?

[MarkoTheCheeky.4739]

Is Herald viable in raids currently?Pros/cons would be nice and a final opinion from some knowledgeable players.Thank you

[apharma.3741]

No current benchmarks for power herald as far as I can see. Most use condition revenant however below is a good resource for finding out how classes measure up in raids however most classes are viable if the only thing you care about is completing raids.

https://snowcrows.com/benchmarks/

[Tyson.5160]

@"apharma.3741" said:No current benchmarks for power herald as far as I can see. Most use condition revenant however below is a good resource for finding out how classes measure up in raids however most classes are viable if the only thing you care about is completing raids.

https://snowcrows.com/benchmarks/

I remember the days of the Herald /Chrono combo for Boon durations, those were the days.

[Ojimaru.8970]

@MajesticNoodle.6782 had previously posted Power Herald benchmark in March, citing a best-case-scenario of 30k DPS. All things considered, this is probably considered "viable," although that also depends on your personal definition of the word. In comparison, Condi Renegade has been clocked at 36k DPS, or 20% more than Power Herald.

Beyond a damage role, Heralds are a common sight for "hand kiting" for Deimos, the final boss of Wing 4, and will probably hold up fine "shard kiting" for Cairn the Indomitable, also.

Finally, in a more group support role, I would say Herald simply falls short compared to Renegade. As I had mentioned in a similar post in the Revenant sub-forums:

I don't think Glint offers enough utility and support, compared to Kalla, as ironic as it may sound. Glint offers a few boons and little else; on the other hand, Kalla offers Alacrity, condition damage mitigation, a 6-second AOE that applies 6 pulses of Daze, and party-wide life siphon and damage boost with Bleed applications.

Staff healing in PVE is mediocre, at best. The shards are scattered randomly and do not necessarily heal the intended target, while Renewing Wave uses nearly as much energy as Natural Harmony but has a longer cooldown and doesn't grant Alacrity. You're honestly better off with Mace/x for Might stacking.

[nia.4725]

Summary: yes, it is viable.Better summary: yes, it is viable, but not every build on every situation .

I play herald every week. Right now, I have 2 setups for Herald: healing and power.

Power does not have good DPS. In the robot you'll do around 29-30k at best. I do 26k. But the thing about power herald is that you shouldn't choose it for its dps, but for its utility. What does power herald bring to the party? It brings Naturalistic Resonance/Facet of nature, that is 33% boon duration for your party. So, with this, your chrono doesn't need to use Sigil of Concentration. It also gives Assassin's Presence, a very nice buff to your power DPS players. So: power herald is not a pure DPS class. It's an enabler, a class that gives you some very interesting things. My DPS to the boss is usually around 7k. Not much, but enough in some bosses.

Where it's good to bring a power herald, then? Slothasor. DPS is not a problem in Slothasor. And the chrono needs to pull slubblings constantly there, so not having to use the Sigil of Concentration gives them more room to pull when necessary. Things like that. I also use it in Samarog. Aaand I think I used it on Mursaat. Can't remember exactly. You just need to ask yourself: where will be useful to have what power herald brings to the party?

I also use the healing herald. It's a very powerful healer, it brings very nice heal, it supports chrono's alacrity and has a big amount of CC. My static always brings a heal herald to Matthias and River of Souls. We also use them for kiting in both Cairn and Deimos.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

Yes, it's viable.

[sokeenoppa.5384]

It works, so does thief and Power reaper. If you wanna play safe and be sure that there is spot for you in raids, play weaver, druid or chrono ^^

[ButcherofMalakir.4067]

Irs true that herald is playable in raids but its not close to top tier dps builds so you might get kicked.Problem with herald is that it was designed as a support spec but its support options are completely irelevant because right now you get it from other sources anyway or you simply dont need them. Only unique buffs he provides are assasins presence and boin duration. Assasins presence is great but renegade has it too and herald has too low dps so even with AP for hus group he is worse then other dps class. Boon duration is also great but druids already have full boonduration gear and since the gap between dps and support clases is much bigger then it used to be its not worth to drop dps so one chrono can go full berserker. (If this was 10 man instead of 5 man it might create some interesting compositions for low preasure fights but now its too little).Finaly all boons are probided by druid/chrono and on fights where cc is needed often its better to give that dps spot to another core warrior.

[MarkoTheCheeky.4739]

@nia.4725 said:Summary: yes, it is viable.Better summary: yes, it is viable, but not every build on every situation .

I play herald every week. Right now, I have 2 setups for Herald: healing and power.

Power does not have good DPS. In the robot you'll do around 29-30k at best. I do 26k. But the thing about power herald is that you shouldn't choose it for its dps, but for its utility. What does power herald bring to the party? It brings Naturalistic Resonance/Facet of nature, that is 33% boon duration for your party. So, with this, your chrono doesn't need to use Sigil of Concentration. It also gives Assassin's Presence, a very nice buff to your power DPS players. So: power herald is not a pure DPS class. It's an enabler, a class that gives you some very interesting things. My DPS to the boss is usually around 7k. Not much, but enough in some bosses.

Where it's good to bring a power herald, then? Slothasor. DPS is not a problem in Slothasor. And the chrono needs to pull slubblings constantly there, so not having to use the Sigil of Concentration gives them more room to pull when necessary. Things like that. I also use it in Samarog. Aaand I think I used it on Mursaat. Can't remember exactly. You just need to ask yourself: where will be useful to have what power herald brings to the party?

I also use the healing herald. It's a very powerful healer, it brings very nice heal, it supports chrono's alacrity and has a big amount of CC. My static always brings a heal herald to Matthias and River of Souls. We also use them for kiting in both Cairn and Deimos.

What gear do you use on both builds if you don't mind me asking? And also you don't think a dps or a healer would be doable in every raid? Again not talking top tier meta stuff just good enough that he can contribute enough to the group to be valuable.

[nia.4725]

@MarkoTheCheeky.4739 said:

@"nia.4725" said:

Summary:

yes, it is viable.

Better summary:

yes, it is viable, but

not every build on every situation

.

I play herald every week. Right now, I have 2 setups for Herald: healing and power.

Power does not have good DPS. In the robot you'll do around 29-30k at best. I do 26k. But the thing about power herald is that you shouldn't choose it for its dps, but for its utility. What does power herald bring to the party? It brings Naturalistic Resonance/Facet of nature, that is 33% boon duration for your party. So, with this, your chrono doesn't need to use Sigil of Concentration. It also gives Assassin's Presence, a very nice buff to your power DPS players. So: power herald is not a pure DPS class. It's an enabler, a class that gives you some very interesting things. My DPS to the boss is usually around 7k. Not much, but enough in some bosses.

Where it's good to bring a power herald, then? Slothasor. DPS is not a problem in Slothasor. And the chrono needs to pull slubblings constantly there, so not having to use the Sigil of Concentration gives them more room to pull when necessary. Things like that. I also use it in Samarog. Aaand I think I used it on Mursaat. Can't remember exactly. You just need to ask yourself: where will be useful to have what power herald brings to the party?

I also use the healing herald. It's a very powerful healer, it brings very nice heal, it supports chrono's alacrity and has a big amount of CC. My static always brings a heal herald to Matthias and River of Souls. We also use them for kiting in both Cairn and Deimos.

What gear do you use on both builds if you don't mind me asking? And also you don't think a dps or a healer would be doable in every raid? Again not talking top tier meta stuff just good enough that he can contribute enough to the group to be valuable.

Power rev: full berserker.

Heal herald: full magi armor + runes of the monk, minstrel trinkets, backpack and weapons. I also have some magi trinkets in case I need to lower toughness (this setup puts you in 1917 toughness). This setup though, is made to kite hands in Deimos so if you're not going to do that you could have less minstrel and more magi.

In every raid, no. Power rev is reasonably good in some bosses, but the bad thing about it is that very few pug groups will accept you. Pug groups stick to the meta, it's difficult to explain why you use a power rev and your chrono won't have the equipment necessary to be in a group with a power rev. So I don't really recommend you gearing a power revenant if you don't have a static or a guild. Your dps will be enough (I do around 7k to boss), but few pugs will understand. I guess you'd see some "power rev is useless don't bring that" type of messages. Pugs will be pugs.

About the heal herald, it is very good as a healer. You can bring it to many bosses. Again, pugs will be pugs so in 95% of LFGs they will ask for 2 druids. Bosses where heal herald has always a spot: Cairn (kiter), Deimos (kiter), River of Souls. Other bosses where it's extremely good: Matthias.

I hope I'm not discouraging you, I'm just trying to tell you how the reality is with pugs : ) However though, as I said, a static or a guild is a completely different environment and things like power revenant should get accepted, if your raid leader has some knowledge and common sense.

[MarkoTheCheeky.4739]

@nia.4725 said:

@MarkoTheCheeky.4739 said:

@nia.4725 said:

Summary:

yes, it is viable.

Better summary:

yes, it is viable, but

not every build on every situation

.

I play herald every week. Right now, I have 2 setups for Herald: healing and power.

Power does not have good DPS. In the robot you'll do around 29-30k at best. I do 26k. But the thing about power herald is that you shouldn't choose it for its dps, but for its utility. What does power herald bring to the party? It brings Naturalistic Resonance/Facet of nature, that is 33% boon duration for your party. So, with this, your chrono doesn't need to use Sigil of Concentration. It also gives Assassin's Presence, a very nice buff to your power DPS players. So: power herald is not a pure DPS class. It's an enabler, a class that gives you some very interesting things. My DPS to the boss is usually around 7k. Not much, but enough in some bosses.

Where it's good to bring a power herald, then? Slothasor. DPS is not a problem in Slothasor. And the chrono needs to pull slubblings constantly there, so not having to use the Sigil of Concentration gives them more room to pull when necessary. Things like that. I also use it in Samarog. Aaand I think I used it on Mursaat. Can't remember exactly. You just need to ask yourself: where will be useful to have what power herald brings to the party?

I also use the healing herald. It's a very powerful healer, it brings very nice heal, it supports chrono's alacrity and has a big amount of CC. My static always brings a heal herald to Matthias and River of Souls. We also use them for kiting in both Cairn and Deimos.

What gear do you use on both builds if you don't mind me asking? And also you don't think a dps or a healer would be doable in every raid? Again not talking top tier meta stuff just good enough that he can contribute enough to the group to be valuable.

Power rev: full berserker.

Heal herald: full magi armor + runes of the monk, minstrel trinkets, backpack and weapons. I also have some magi trinkets in case I need to lower toughness (this setup puts you in 1917 toughness). This setup though, is made to kite hands in Deimos so if you're not going to do that you could have less minstrel and more magi.

In every raid, no. Power rev is reasonably good in some bosses, but the bad thing about it is that very few pug groups will accept you. Pug groups stick to the meta, it's difficult to explain why you use a power rev and your chrono won't have the equipment necessary to be in a group with a power rev. So I don't really recommend you gearing a power revenant if you don't have a static or a guild. Your dps will be enough (I do around 7k to boss), but few pugs will understand. I guess you'd see some "power rev is useless don't bring that" type of messages. Pugs will be pugs.

About the heal herald, it is very good as a healer. You can bring it to many bosses. Again, pugs will be pugs so in 95% of LFGs they will ask for 2 druids. Bosses where heal herald has always a spot: Cairn (kiter), Deimos (kiter), River of Souls. Other bosses where it's extremely good: Matthias.

I hope I'm not discouraging you, I'm just trying to tell you how the reality is with pugs : ) However though, as I said, a static or a guild is a completely different environment and things like power revenant should get accepted, if your raid leader has some knowledge and common sense.

Yeah yeah not talking about pugs. I have a guild, just asking which is better on more bosses, dps or healer? Like which is more effective

[nia.4725]

@MarkoTheCheeky.4739 said:

@nia.4725 said:

@MarkoTheCheeky.4739 said:

@nia.4725 said:

Summary:

yes, it is viable.

Better summary:

yes, it is viable, but

not every build on every situation

.

I play herald every week. Right now, I have 2 setups for Herald: healing and power.

Power does not have good DPS. In the robot you'll do around 29-30k at best. I do 26k. But the thing about power herald is that you shouldn't choose it for its dps, but for its utility. What does power herald bring to the party? It brings Naturalistic Resonance/Facet of nature, that is 33% boon duration for your party. So, with this, your chrono doesn't need to use Sigil of Concentration. It also gives Assassin's Presence, a very nice buff to your power DPS players. So: power herald is not a pure DPS class. It's an enabler, a class that gives you some very interesting things. My DPS to the boss is usually around 7k. Not much, but enough in some bosses.

Where it's good to bring a power herald, then? Slothasor. DPS is not a problem in Slothasor. And the chrono needs to pull slubblings constantly there, so not having to use the Sigil of Concentration gives them more room to pull when necessary. Things like that. I also use it in Samarog. Aaand I think I used it on Mursaat. Can't remember exactly. You just need to ask yourself: where will be useful to have what power herald brings to the party?

I also use the healing herald. It's a very powerful healer, it brings very nice heal, it supports chrono's alacrity and has a big amount of CC. My static always brings a heal herald to Matthias and River of Souls. We also use them for kiting in both Cairn and Deimos.

What gear do you use on both builds if you don't mind me asking? And also you don't think a dps or a healer would be doable in every raid? Again not talking top tier meta stuff just good enough that he can contribute enough to the group to be valuable.

Power rev: full berserker.

Heal herald: full magi armor + runes of the monk, minstrel trinkets, backpack and weapons. I also have some magi trinkets in case I need to lower toughness (this setup puts you in 1917 toughness). This setup though, is made to kite hands in Deimos so if you're not going to do that you could have less minstrel and more magi.

In every raid, no. Power rev is reasonably good in some bosses, but the bad thing about it is that very few pug groups will accept you. Pug groups stick to the meta, it's difficult to explain why you use a power rev and your chrono won't have the equipment necessary to be in a group with a power rev. So I don't really recommend you gearing a power revenant if you don't have a static or a guild. Your dps will be enough (I do around 7k to boss), but few pugs will understand. I guess you'd see some "power rev is useless don't bring that" type of messages. Pugs will be pugs.

About the heal herald, it is very good as a healer. You can bring it to many bosses. Again, pugs will be pugs so in 95% of LFGs they will ask for 2 druids. Bosses where heal herald has always a spot: Cairn (kiter), Deimos (kiter), River of Souls. Other bosses where it's extremely good: Matthias.

I hope I'm not discouraging you, I'm just trying to tell you how the reality is with pugs : ) However though, as I said, a static or a guild is a completely different environment and things like power revenant should get accepted, if your raid leader has some knowledge and common sense.

Yeah yeah not talking about pugs. I have a guild, just asking which is better on more bosses, dps or healer? Like which is more effective

Ummm... well really, I don't think they're comparable since they're completely different types of playing but I guess the power rev. You can basically bring it to bosses where power dps is the desired one (VG, Slothasor, Trio, Escort, Xera... I am not sure about KC though, since its DPS is not very high). Heal herald is viable in many bosses too though, I've used it in like 5 bosses but I'm sure it's viable in more.