SteepledHat.1345 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 To confirm this, get a thief buddy. Have the thief Infiltrator's Arrow max distance away. Use Mirage Thrust you're within 100 of each other. The tool tip says 600. This needs adjustment or the tool tip needs correcting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Did you get caught in wvw? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyokku.5412 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just because the thrust leap lands the Mirage within 100, doesn't mean its effective range is 800. I've had many sword ambush thrusts that doesn't connect even though I've almost shot past my target. The leap animation does bring the Mirage pretty far but I don't think the actual hitting range is that full distance, even if the momentum carries it as you say to 800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroatheist.9031 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 This is functionality common to all leap and projectile skills in the game, called ranged fuzzing by the devs. Basically all skills that involve movement of a sort have some fuzzing at maximum range to allow for a bit of server uncertainty as I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 @Pyroatheist.9031 said:This is functionality common to all leap and projectile skills in the game, called ranged fuzzing by the devs. Basically all skills that involve movement of a sort have some fuzzing at maximum range to allow for a bit of server uncertainty as I understand. I suspected this was the case, but was never sure. Thanks for explaining it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Works for all mid-path projectiles as well, even if the thief is 1799 away from a longbow ranger and ports, the AA, if within range to be registered as a "hit" prior to the port, will still land after the shadowstep at 2999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayama.1854 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 One of the coolest things about mirage is that it is more mobile in combat than a daredevil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Mayama.1854 said:One of the coolest things about mirage is that it is more mobile in combat than a daredevil.No way. Not even close to an acrobatics staff daredevil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.4527 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Abelisk.4527 said:Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak.More damage? You are funny. I suppose that's why there's so many more mirages than daredevil in ranked spvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Zenith.7301 said:@Abelisk.4527 said:Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak.More damage? You are funny. I suppose that's why there's so many more mirages than daredevil in ranked spvp.Thats because teefs got tired of being oneshotted by full counters that they didnt even trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.4527 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Zenith.7301 said:@Abelisk.4527 said:Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak.More damage? You are funny. I suppose that's why there's so many more mirages than daredevil in ranked spvp."While being mobile", no? When a DD dodges they can't do anything meanwhile Mirage can attack when dodging, or in other words being mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroatheist.9031 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Abelisk.4527 said:@Zenith.7301 said:@Abelisk.4527 said:Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak.More damage? You are funny. I suppose that's why there's so many more mirages than daredevil in ranked spvp."While being mobile", no? When a DD dodges they can't do anything meanwhile Mirage can attack when dodging, or in other words being mobile. Counterpoint: when a Daredevil dodges, they actually go somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llethander.3972 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Pyroatheist.9031 said:@Abelisk.4527 said:@Zenith.7301 said:@Abelisk.4527 said:Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak.More damage? You are funny. I suppose that's why there's so many more mirages than daredevil in ranked spvp."While being mobile", no? When a DD dodges they can't do anything meanwhile Mirage can attack when dodging, or in other words being mobile. Counterpoint: when a Daredevil dodges, they actually go somewhere. Gave ya a thumbs up for making me chuckle.Counter-counterpoint: Superspeed on dodge allows the Mirage to go somewhere when dodging, too. They just have the option not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Abelisk.4527 said:@Zenith.7301 said:@Abelisk.4527 said:Even if a Mirage has less mobility than an acro staff dd they do more damage while being mobile. Gotta love Mirage Cloak.More damage? You are funny. I suppose that's why there's so many more mirages than daredevil in ranked spvp."While being mobile", no? When a DD dodges they can't do anything meanwhile Mirage can attack when dodging, or in other words being mobile. Lol wut? Lets compare DD doges to a 1sec mirage cloak. DD can choose to either:Inflict bleeding, torment, and cripple to 3 enemies in range, while also being a whirl finisher, and then granting you 10% bonus condition damage for 4 secondsTravel 450 units (farther than we can go with superspeed in 1 sec), while also applying swiftness and removing all movement impairing conditions, then also decreasing the damage you take by 10% for 4 secondsDeal moderate power damage to 5 enemies when you dodge, on top of getting 10% bonus damage for 4s afterwardsAll of this on top of having 50 extra endurance and a crapton of endurance regen in the DD line. 1sec mirage cloak is nowhere near that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayama.1854 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @Zenith.7301 said:@Mayama.1854 said:One of the coolest things about mirage is that it is more mobile in combat than a daredevil.No way. Not even close to an acrobatics staff daredevil.Lets see my power mirage has:All dodges give superspeed and I have almost perma vigor, I can use every dodge to jump 600 units with sword1.2 base dodges,50% endurance one weaponswap = 1 dodgedodge on healOn top of that I have some ports.600 unit port on sword 31200 unit portThree 450 unit portsone 1200 unit shadow step that gives me a dodge which also gives me a 600 unit jump with sword.Those dodges and the three jaunt ports do also really good damage.I have yet to see a thief escape or catch me while we are both in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.4527 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I'm pretty sure Mirage Cloak wasn't designed to contain a pre-packaged effect such as Lotus Training etc. Why do you think Jaunt exists? To move around while dodging. Why do you think Mirage Thrust exists? It is available only while dodging, hence why it is a 'mobile dodge'. I'm not wrong with the fact you can still cast literally anything while dodging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaboBabo.3581 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mirage trust is the reason axe is not gettin played pvp/wvw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroatheist.9031 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 @FaboBabo.3581 said:Mirage trust is the reason axe is not gettin played pvp/wvw I mean, also because axe 2 is buggy and slow and axe 3 is underwhelming and axe ambush is entirely forgettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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