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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

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@SteepledHat.1345 said:Maybe the new guy should roll a thief and see how easy it is.

I joined my guild relatively recently and when started playing in raids, several of the established players went through a phase of asking me for builds for their thieves they never played (much to the chagrin of the guild leader, hehe). At one point we had a party of 6-7 thieves on builds I'd given them sometime that week, we go into a fight, and it goes about as well as you'd expect. I knew this would happen but I figured it was a lesson that was better experienced than said, so I just watched them get murdered horribly and tried not to laugh lol.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

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Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

When you are desperate and have no argument in a discussion it's convenient to try to backpedal, eh?

Like I said though, I really couldn't care less how you actually play. If all you are able to do in-game is gank then good for you, I won't judge.

Your personal play style is mostly irrelevant to the point I made here anyway, although it could explain why you for some reason think others (maybe like you) would get mad from a player running away from a fight, even just to reset their build too as I suggested could have been a possibility. It also would explain why you are pretty clueless about roaming (especially solo) and how builds in fights may possibly be a big factor in these kinds of fights.

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

Well the stealthers I am talking about spend most of the fight in stealth. Becoming visible only for a second, usually when they are out of range. And they stealth again immediately anyway. Not enough time for me to get target or get in range and connect more than maybe one or two hits which are easy to dodge before stealthing again. Meanwhile they are doing a lot of damage and I can't dodge because I can't see them. I will keep looking. Thanks.

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

Well the stealthers I am talking about spend most of the fight in stealth. Becoming visible only for a second, usually when they are out of range. And they stealth again immediately anyway. Not enough time for me to get target or get in range and connect more than maybe one or two hits which are easy to dodge before stealthing again. Meanwhile they are doing a lot of damage and I can't dodge because I can't see them. I will keep looking. Thanks.

The stealth mechanics in this game can be pretty annoying to deal with. I don't find it particularly fun to play either as or against. Hopefully someone can find or make a video to help you.

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

Well the stealthers I am talking about spend most of the fight in stealth. Becoming visible only for a second, usually when they are out of range. And they stealth again immediately anyway. Not enough time for me to get target or get in range and connect more than maybe one or two hits which are easy to dodge before stealthing again. Meanwhile they are doing a lot of damage and I can't dodge because I can't see them. I will keep looking. Thanks.Here you go:

You wont find any "instruction" videos on how to fight these because experienced roamers do not engage unless forced as they know the... lets say type... of player. If you see a DE stealthing in front of you and you dont really need to go that way, do a 180 and walk away into the closest objective. If you defend a camp against them, dont take the bait and run out of the camp for a "fair" fight. The only time you should be willingly engaging rifle dodging DEs is when you outnumber them and got enough CC and condi to overload them so you can watch them burn as they try to scurry away and hide under a rock like a cockroach. Also dont forget to dump a ram on them when they do die and enjoy any rage whisper coming your way.

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

Well the stealthers I am talking about spend most of the fight in stealth. Becoming visible only for a second, usually when they are out of range. And they stealth again immediately anyway. Not enough time for me to get target or get in range and connect more than maybe one or two hits which are easy to dodge before stealthing again. Meanwhile they are doing a lot of damage and I can't dodge because I can't see them. I will keep looking. Thanks.Here you go:

You wont find any "instruction" videos on how to fight these because experienced roamers
do not engage unless forced
as they know the... lets say type... of player. If you see a DE stealthing in front of you and you dont really need to go that way, do a 180 and walk away into the closest objective. If you defend a camp against them, dont take the bait and run out of the camp for a "fair" fight. The only time you should be willingly engaging rifle dodging DEs is when you outnumber them and got enough CC and condi to overload them so you can watch them burn as they try to scurry away and hide under a rock like a cockroach. Also dont forget to dump a ram on them when they do die and enjoy any rage whisper coming your way.

That's why my fellow DEs ought to go dual cleansing/energy and keep kitten em up >:-]] NSDQ

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

Well the stealthers I am talking about spend most of the fight in stealth. Becoming visible only for a second, usually when they are out of range. And they stealth again immediately anyway. Not enough time for me to get target or get in range and connect more than maybe one or two hits which are easy to dodge before stealthing again. Meanwhile they are doing a lot of damage and I can't dodge because I can't see them. I will keep looking. Thanks.Here you go:

You wont find any "instruction" videos on how to fight these because experienced roamers
do not engage unless forced
as they know the... lets say type... of player. If you see a DE stealthing in front of you and you dont really need to go that way, do a 180 and walk away into the closest objective. If you defend a camp against them, dont take the bait and run out of the camp for a "fair" fight. The only time you should be willingly engaging rifle dodging DEs is when you outnumber them and got enough CC and condi to overload them so you can watch them burn as they try to scurry away and hide under a rock like a cockroach. Also dont forget to dump a ram on them when they do die and enjoy any rage whisper coming your way.

Wow you summarized my experience perfectly, all the way to the rage whisper. I thought it was just me. I don't drop a ram on them though.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that he highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread his comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

The quote where I specifically said I don't gank?

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that he highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread his comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

The quote where I specifically said I don't gank?

I meant the other guy haha. You were replying to the bit about build templates, and because he missed the bit you highlighted he read it as " yes, I gank" lol

Edited the original post to try to make that clearer.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Atomos: Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote. See your post and Kash's reply below;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that Kash highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread Kash's comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

Edit; Added names to make it clearer who I was referring to

I find it hilarious that you think I am full of myself here for some reason. Nice attempt to try to make an insult mate (/sarcasm). It just shows how unbiased you are in this discussion lol.

If you could stop and look at things objectively for a moment and see the actual words used in a discussion and apply some context the meanings will become clear:

I said in the quote that the person replied to, where he said "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also.", that "Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.". There is nothing else you could possibly reply to as "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." in what I posted there. You don't reply "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." to something to say that you don't use build templates yourself, when I didn't even ask in that post if the player does use build templates or not at all.

The only way that you could possibly even think that I would be asking the player if they use build templates or not is from the rhetorical question that I made as a side comment: "You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime?" Obviously the player would know that there are build templates available to use outside of combat, which is why I highlighted that point with my rhetorical question. It was not meant to be answered at all because of course I know that the player also knows that build templates can be swapped out of combat (a very basic concept), which is why it's called a rhetorical question. Or has the concept of a rhetorical question eluded you and the poster somehow all this time?

But that doesn't even make any sense, because even ignoring the fact that I didn't ask if he uses templates at all, why would you even reply "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." to say that you don't use templates or understand that they are available, when you could clearly say "No, I don't use templates but I understand you can use them out of combat" if in fact that was what you were talking about. How you could think that this could possibly be the case here is beyond me, and only a very limited capacity to understand the real context of the discussion, and the meaning of the words and sentences in it, could explain it.

Again, because I seem to have to explain everything word for word to apply some context here for you, perhaps you should take your own advice and press all of the "show previous replies" buttons to get some idea of this entire discussion in the first place?

Some really twisted logic and desperation here on your end, but I'll leave you to your blissful ignorance and stubbornness if you still somehow are unable to understand this mate.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that he highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread his comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

The quote where I specifically said I don't gank?

I meant the other guy haha. You were replying to the bit about build templates, and because he missed the bit you highlighted he read it as " yes, I gank" lol

Edited the original post to try to make that clearer.

Gotcha, I took your word for it though and checked my stuff because these quote salads in these threads get out of hand and I get lost. I think I might even agree with guy in some part but there's still a lot of people playing WvW and they're going to play the game the way they want. Maybe Mount Lance can Immob or Cripple players on foot or block them from going into structures for a few seconds or something so there's a chance to catch someone who's playing wack a mole with you.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Atomos: Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote. See your post and Kash's reply below;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that Kash highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread Kash's comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

Edit; Added names to make it clearer who I was referring to

I find it hilarious that you think I am full of myself here for some reason. Nice attempt to try to make an insult mate (/sarcasm). It just shows how unbiased you are in this discussion lol.

If you could stop and look at things objectively for a moment and see the actual words used in a discussion and apply some context the meanings will become clear:

I said in the quote that the person replied to, where he said "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also.", that "Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.". There is nothing else you could possibly reply to as "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." in what I posted there. You don't reply "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." to something to say that you don't use build templates yourself, when I didn't even ask in that post if the player does use build templates or not at all.

The only way that you could possibly even think that I would be asking the player if they use build templates or not is from the rhetorical question that I made as a side comment: "You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime?" Obviously the player would know that there are build templates available to use outside of combat, which is why I highlighted that point with my rhetorical question. It was not meant to be answered at all because of course I know that the player also knows that build templates can be swapped out of combat (a very basic concept), which is why it's called a rhetorical question. Or has the concept of a rhetorical question eluded you and the poster somehow all this time?

But that doesn't even make any sense, because even ignoring the fact that I didn't ask if he uses templates at all, why would you even reply "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." to say that you don't use templates or understand that they are available, when you could clearly say "No, I don't use templates but I understand you can use them out of combat" if in fact that was what you were talking about. How you could think that this could possibly be the case here is beyond me, and only a very limited capacity to understand the real context of the discussion, and the meaning of the words and sentences in it, could explain it.

Again, because I seem to have to explain everything word for word to apply some context here for you, perhaps you should take your own advice and press all of the "show previous replies" buttons to get some idea of this entire discussion in the first place?

Some really twisted logic and desperation here on your end, but I'll leave you to your blissful ignorance and stubbornness if you still somehow are unable to understand this mate.

Well, the dude highlighted a specific part of your reply and commented directly on that. I was just pointing out that that is what he had done, and that it is probably wise to make sure you have seen that so you're not misquoting someone before asking them to reread their comments, as that does tend to make one look rather silly. I'm well aware of the context, I was pointing out how a misunderstanding had occurred, and if I was too inflammatory in doing so I apologise. It's clearly very easy to confuse people on here with poorly worded posts, as you can see I did to the other guy, so why don't we just leave it at that.

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@MaLong.2079 said:Can anyone share some videos of any class consistently beating stealthers? I can't find any and I would really like to learn how is done. Right now I can do nothing againts them.

I don't have a video (maybe someone else can find one), but in case you aren't doing this already and it helps, when enemies stealth I usually find it to be a good opportunity to heal and build defensive buffs in anticipation for an attack. While they are out of stealth is a good time to switch to and focus on doing damage/CC. I do this whenever solo roaming on a tempest elementalist and encountering a thief if they want to fight (and not disengage/run away), for example. Haven't had any difficulties with this strategy so far.

Well the stealthers I am talking about spend most of the fight in stealth. Becoming visible only for a second, usually when they are out of range. And they stealth again immediately anyway. Not enough time for me to get target or get in range and connect more than maybe one or two hits which are easy to dodge before stealthing again. Meanwhile they are doing a lot of damage and I can't dodge because I can't see them. I will keep looking. Thanks.Here you go:

You wont find any "instruction" videos on how to fight these because experienced roamers
do not engage unless forced
as they know the... lets say type... of player. If you see a DE stealthing in front of you and you dont really need to go that way, do a 180 and walk away into the closest objective. If you defend a camp against them, dont take the bait and run out of the camp for a "fair" fight. The only time you should be willingly engaging rifle dodging DEs is when you outnumber them and got enough CC and condi to overload them so you can watch them burn as they try to scurry away and hide under a rock like a cockroach. Also dont forget to dump a ram on them when they do die and enjoy any rage whisper coming your way.

That's why my fellow DEs ought to go dual cleansing/energy and keep kitten em up >:-]] NSDQ

Already do. It's actually rather fun playing rifle S/D DA/Trick/DE with cleansing and energy sigils, watching people try to salt whisper you when they know they could see you pretty much the whole time so they can't blame stealth is hilarious.

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@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that he highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread his comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

The quote where I specifically said I don't gank?

I meant the other guy haha. You were replying to the bit about build templates, and because he missed the bit you highlighted he read it as " yes, I gank" lol

Edited the original post to try to make that clearer.

Gotcha, I took your word for it though and checked my stuff because these quote salads in these threads get out of hand and I get lost. I think I might even agree with guy in some part but there's still a lot of people playing WvW and they're going to play the game the way they want. Maybe Mount Lance can Immob or Cripple players on foot or block them from going into structures for a few seconds or something so there's a chance to catch someone who's playing wack a mole with you.

Glad that we can agree on this. People play WvW for different reasons and their play style will reflect that. Nothing wrong about playing with any type of play style, so no one sensible should judge you based on only that. Personally I would like to see CC be made to be more useful or impactful, so that fights with lesser numbers on one side can still use CC effectively as a strategy to somewhat counter larger numbers and stacking on the other side. Could have some implications for roaming and smaller groups though.

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Reword it however you want but you're still complaining about other players avoiding a build like you did. Are people supposed to message you and ask what a fair build is first?

I have not reworded it in anyway whatsoever. Would you care to try to explain how this was supposedly done?

If anything, you are rewording it to make what was stated and the intention that it was stated with to imply something completely different (to somehow make it seem like I'm trying to complain about anything here). Nothing at all was complained about by me here or was even meant to be implied as such, as I explained in detail in just my previous post. Since I seem to have to explain everything word for word to you, this means no, people do not have to ask me to use any build they want to, just like I don't have to ask them or you either.

Don't tell me this still is not clear enough for you lol. As they say and seems to apply well to you: ignorance is bliss.

Then why were you on about how people play WvW in the first place when all they did was avoid a build like you did to go change yours? I'll take your word for it that you meant something else, that's fine but you raged hard in your posts like not letting you chose the setting of a fight should be a bannable offense. I hope you find the WvW you're looking for.

I'm glad you are finally starting to understand that a statement simply based only on facts does not itself carry implications. It was a thing called a passing comment. There was no rage in that post at all. I fail to see how you can still not understand this except for stubbornness and ignorance. Again, this so-called rage is something you seem to think was implied for some obtuse reason, even though that may not necessarily have been the case (and certainly wasn't here).

I think running from a fight for whatever reason is fine, even if just to change builds or because you don't feel like you can be competitive in that particular fight. That may have been what those players were trying to do.

What I said in that post is that the kind of play-style seeking easy kills with a low chance of dying is not restricted to only the thief class. It is possible to do this on many different classes and builds. Builds may be changed for players to be more competitive in a fight, but the types of players that want only the easiest builds against another particular build in a fight to have a high chance of winning will always be able to do this. It's not restricted to thieves only, and is a certain attitude/play-style that a player likes and can always do, when roaming at least, by changing builds.

I hope you are able to find the WvW you are looking for too by being able to gank roamers all the time. (Nothing wrong with playing like this, just don't get mad if it doesn't work all the time)

EDIT: Missed seeing this part earlier because you added it in after I had started a reply to your unedited post:

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

Most people run in groups ranging from 5 - 50. NO ONE runs solo besides the occasional thief. The people ragin about stealth are the ones being picked out of their blob because they thought they could but then realized the thief actually knew what he was doing.

I saw a solo healbrand guard trolling some players yesterday around OW tower. The player was baiting other players that didn't know how to counter his heals and close range condi damage, and kept repeatedly dying to them. So no, there are players that run solo on classes besides thief (not even mentioning the fact that I do this myself also anyway).

I see this type of behaviour on many classes, so I'm pretty sure it's not only a thing possible on the thief class. There are likely also many good thief players that don't only run away all the time.

For me personally, I wouldn't try to waste my time trying to kill solo players if I actually wanted to run in a blob. Why waste time doing this when you are virtually unkillable most of the time in a blob while running around the map PvE'ing?

@Atomos.7593 said:It's not restricted to only the thief class. It's an attitude/play-style of some players and I have seen it on many classes. These types of players are not interested in the slightest chance of a fair fight, and only want easy kills with a very low risk of dying from the players that don't know how to counter their build/style. As soon as you switch to something that may possibly counter them the first thing they do is turn around and run for the tower while never looking back.

So what you're saying should happen is, they should walk into your comfort zone where you're build is stronger instead and if they're taking too much damage that they should stand still and let you kill them? Did you miss the part in your own post where you ran off like you accused them of doing to change your build to put them at a disadvantage and you're mad they bailed?

Whoa, whoa... try to take a deep breath and calm down. Who said I was mad they bailed? If they don't want to have a fair fight, then good for them, I won't waste my time trying to chase them all over the map. The point that I was making there that you seem to have evidently completely missed is that not all thief players will play like this. But I guess some thief players will try to voraciously defend their class, even when others agree with them and are trying to help defend their own class.

I was calm, you're trying to make it sound like I wasn't because now you're upset. You did chase them or you wouldn't have decided to change your build template. If you have the same amount of skill and utility slots that's a fair fight, what are you even on about?

I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

That's good to know, which explains why you are so clueless about roaming and solo roaming (which is what this thread and my posts here have been about, since that's how I play). Still going on about me somehow crying eh? Only person I see here crying is you about others being able to reset a fight. You really are clueless when it comes to roaming.

If you only gank, then you can use whatever build you like. It won't really matter when you can easily kill someone 3+v1 at least 95% of the time. But it when it comes to 1v1 builds can be important in deciding the outcome of a fight and how long it lasts.

I re-read my posts and still can't see how you can come up with an illogical conclusion that I must somehow be mad because a player was able to run away from a fight with me. If you only gank then that would explain it though, since you probably get mad yourself every time someone is able to escape being ganked and killed by you. Says a lot about the kind of person and player you are.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts, as well as properly reading mine? Taking a deep breath to calm down when someone escapes your pathetic gank attempts will also help you realize that there's no need to be mad when someone runs away from a fight.

Perhaps you should start a thread about ganking? Then the people who only gank like you and cry that others are somehow able to reset a fight, when for example the other player runs, (because they would rather not waste their time on a highly uneven 1v1 fight that could possibly last minutes with neither player dying) could agree with you.

Again, no need to be mad because someone (who may well be more skilled than you) can reset a fight or if others run away from a fight. If it does make you mad, the only thing I can suggest is re-evaluating your life and reactions to things.

@"manu.7539" said:Oh well, this discussion is even more boring and annoying than thieves themselves. Afterall honesty is such a lonely word :(

The discussion is going nowhere from what I can see. This guy is telling you to work on a build to make the fights fair, but when you switch to a build to make a fight fair he will cry about you being able to do this (like he has said in his replies to me in this thread)...

I don't "gank" by the way, I build to cover people, you can take things in game personally if you want but that was a big assumption. I think you're just getting angrier by trying to make me sound angry.

You just admitted to only ganking in game. No idea why you are trying to back pedal now, I won't judge you as a bad person if you don't have much skill in game to not be able to play like this only. I really couldn't care less if you actually play like this or not lol.

Really cute of you to accuse others of being angry when none of my posts in this thread or replies to you have even had the slightest hint of anger. I can only guess that for some reason you are very angry and raging for no justifiable reason at all. Relax, I'm only trying to explain my posts slowly to you so that you are able to understand. And I haven't even mentioned yet that you were the one that for some odd, unjustified reason initially accused me of being mad that a player would run away from a fight... but I guess trying to make it seem like others are mad, when you yourself are clearly quite angry, is your thing right?

Where exactly did I admit to ganking at all? Desperation isn't a good look.

Yeah your desperation here is amazing. You must be really mad for some strange reason lol.

Do you have amnesia or something, because if you go back to the previous page and take your own advice to re-read your own posts and mine you will see clearly where you had admitted it (click show previous quotes to see relevant part of the full discussion):

Atomos: Before you get too full of yourself, you might want to reread what he wrote. See your post and Kash's reply below;

@Atomos.7593 said:I hardly think you were calm at all, otherwise I have no idea where you even came up with the idea that I would be mad or upset from a player running away from a fight from. And now you're trying to make it sound like that I'm upset still even though I just clearly stated in my previous post I don't mind anyone running away from a fight at all...

Honestly it seems like you're mad that I was able to come up with a build to counter another one that a particular player was using. No need to be mad about this. I don't play WvW in GW2, where individual player skill may only be a small part of winning roaming encounters (because builds are important too), to flex on others.

You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime
? So if someone runs away or you are able to get out of combat, you can immediately change your build. I have no idea what you are even talking about now with same amount of skills and utility slots.

Are you so naive that you can't understand that a (more) fair 1v1 fight is one where neither build will faceroll the other (because of how builds and their associated playstyles work)? Like I said several times before if you don't feel you can win a fight then it's okay to run away and won't bother me (and I imagine many other people) at all. Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.

Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also. Maybe you'll quit crying about resetting after you already reset. You should go back and re-read your own posts.

You missed the part of your comment that Kash highlighted and was specifically replying to, and thus you misread Kash's comment. Feel free to take your own advice, and click "show previous replies" and check what was written.

Edit; Added names to make it clearer who I was referring to

I find it hilarious that you think I am full of myself here for some reason. Nice attempt to try to make an insult mate (/sarcasm). It just shows how unbiased you are in this discussion lol.

If you could stop and look at things objectively for a moment and see the actual words used in a discussion and apply some context the meanings will become clear:

I said in the quote that the person replied to, where he said "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also.", that "Honestly, you sound like the type of player that only ganks.". There is nothing else you could possibly reply to as "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." in what I posted there. You don't reply "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." to something to say that you don't use build templates yourself, when I didn't even ask in that post if the player does use build templates or not at all.

The only way that you could possibly even think that I would be asking the player if they use build templates or not is from the rhetorical question that I made as a side comment: "You realize that when you are out of combat you are able to change your build template anytime?" Obviously the player would know that there are build templates available to use outside of combat, which is why I highlighted that point with my rhetorical question. It was not meant to be answered at all because of course I know that the player also knows that build templates can be swapped out of combat (a very basic concept), which is why it's called a rhetorical question. Or has the concept of a rhetorical question eluded you and the poster somehow all this time?

But that doesn't even make any sense, because even ignoring the fact that I didn't ask if he uses templates at all, why would you even reply "Yes I do, and it's great that you know that now also." to say that you don't use templates or understand that they are available, when you could clearly say "No, I don't use templates but I understand you can use them out of combat" if in fact that was what you were talking about. How you could think that this could possibly be the case here is beyond me, and only a very limited capacity to understand the real context of the discussion, and the meaning of the words and sentences in it, could explain it.

Again, because I seem to have to explain everything word for word to apply some context here for you, perhaps you should take your own advice and press all of the "show previous replies" buttons to get some idea of this entire discussion in the first place?

Some really twisted logic and desperation here on your end, but I'll leave you to your blissful ignorance and stubbornness if you still somehow are unable to understand this mate.

Well, the dude highlighted a specific part of your reply and commented directly on that. I was just pointing out that that is what he had done, and that it is probably wise to make sure you have seen that so you're not misquoting someone before asking them to reread their comments, as that does tend to make one look rather silly. I'm well aware of the context, I was pointing out how a misunderstanding had occurred, and if I was too inflammatory in doing so I apologise. It's clearly very easy to confuse people on here with poorly worded posts, as you can see I did to the other guy, so why don't we just leave it at that.

It could be a misunderstanding or not a misunderstanding because of the reasons that I stated in my previous post. A lot of it is simply open to interpretation and judgement. Either way, like I have said many times before here, it is not relevant and does not contribute anything to what was being discussed because my initial post in this thread, which was the topic of discussion, was never directed at the individual's specific play style anyway. All good, I won't take a discussion over the internet that could easily be open to subjectivity and interpretation seriously or personally.

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