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No "kp" for CM fractals. Is that gonna increase toxicity?

Fir.7932Fir.7932 Member ✭✭✭

I am away from home, so I don't know how it works now but as far as I understand, devs removed old CM kill proves (you can no longer get them) and added new ones that cannot be pinged since they are currency.

My question is, how do you think it's gonna effect the CMs+T4 groups.

I am pretty scared of this because most of the time you can clearly see a huge difference between like 500kp guy and 150kp and the lower you go the worse players are. For some of us, it's just better to wait longer in lfg to get tryhard ppl and go for quick no healer clears, especially for ppl who have power qfb but no healer build. But you cannot do that with low skilled players who dont have dmg for such clears, means you can carry them and be annoyed by the fact or kick them after first boss which is something, that should be prevented. I am pretty sure ppl will find some sort of kp like tonics or something, but removing the old ones is not a good move imho. Game needs some kind of telling how experienced players are.

Edit: Another thing that i find kinda annoying is, that you get 120 of the new Cosmic currency for one clear. Converting is 1kp for 5 currency. In average you've got like 2kp per run, so we should get 10-15 currency for one full run or the old kp should be valued around 60 new currency for 1kp, which is 12 times more, that what we are actually getting.. I know that this not such a big deal, but it kinda feels like all of those saved kp's lost on their value, because now you can get substitute for them 12 times easier and those infusions and tonics you can get in like 4 runs instead of weeks. It doesn't bother me that much, but I still feel kinda cheated by this exchange rate that I do not understand.

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  • Noah Salazar.5430Noah Salazar.5430 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    Not rly, maybe only in pugs, with guild schold not be problem
    Also ppl will see that you fail too many mechanics
    you can also ss and send photo on discord (cuz most cm groups use some communication device)

  • ParadoX.3124ParadoX.3124 Member ✭✭✭

    Title is the new kp

  • Title can be a good source of new kill proof... dances with demons i think
    Maybe skins can now be new KPs? The new infusion maybe? For sure most ppl will still use old KPs... maybe even decos
    Finding groups in pugs gonna get harder

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    title will not replace old kp as it prove 1 kill which will be able to be bought in couple of day if not today.
    so player that began fract recently, like I, are screwed as we cannot get kp anymore.

  • Armen.1483Armen.1483 Member ✭✭✭

    Unstable Fractal Essences are easier to come I guess, which makes it that the 250 kp will be 1250 so we can't even ping it... Infusions might do though I guess.. but it is kinda stupid to have infusions and not be able to equip them if we are multiclass

  • Armen.1483Armen.1483 Member ✭✭✭

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    You couldn't buy the Cosmic Essences, only way to get it was doing old CM100 (Shattered Observatory) last boss dropped it. There were still ways to cheat through, but ppl generally didn't do that, and if did it is easily recognizable, and that also created toxicity. What about discrimination.. Yes, maybe it creates "discrimination", but it is a fair type of discrimination in my opinion. That was the whole point of it, to let same skilled players play together.

  • @Armen.1483 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    You couldn't buy the Cosmic Essences, only way to get it was doing old CM100 (Shattered Observatory) last boss dropped it. There were still ways to cheat through, but ppl generally didn't do that, and if did it is easily recognizable, and that also created toxicity. What about discrimination.. Yes, maybe it creates "discrimination", but it is a fair type of discrimination in my opinion. That was the whole point of it, to let same skilled players play together.

    to clarify i mean runs could be bought

    and skilled players could always join/make a guild to play together.

    None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license.
    ~John Milton

  • @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Armen.1483 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    You couldn't buy the Cosmic Essences, only way to get it was doing old CM100 (Shattered Observatory) last boss dropped it. There were still ways to cheat through, but ppl generally didn't do that, and if did it is easily recognizable, and that also created toxicity. What about discrimination.. Yes, maybe it creates "discrimination", but it is a fair type of discrimination in my opinion. That was the whole point of it, to let same skilled players play together.

    to clarify i mean runs could be bought

    and skilled players could always join/make a guild to play together.

    But it's the best indicator we have. We had this discussion a million times on the forums already.

  • @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    ofc it's not better that having people that you know do good in your fl but so far it was the best system we had for pugging.
    no kp mean accepting annyone and waste you time kicking super often because its clown fiesta or people can ask for old kp and tbh can't blame them for doing so

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

    i suppose my real question is; why are people acting like fractals have been deleted because a system of discriminating based skill was removed even though it was totally inaccurate?

    None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license.
    ~John Milton

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

    i suppose my real question is; why are people acting like fractals have been deleted because a system of discriminating based skill was removed even though it was totally inaccurate?

    People scream that the sky is falling over anything which they dislike. Did you know that GW2 is dying because of _____?

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

    i suppose my real question is; why are people acting like fractals have been deleted because a system of discriminating based skill was removed even though it was totally inaccurate?

    People scream that the sky is falling over anything which they dislike. Did you know that GW2 is dying because of _____?

    that's fair and i should know better than to get sucked up in the forums hysteria

    None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license.
    ~John Milton

  • @Armen.1483 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

    i suppose my real question is; why are people acting like fractals have been deleted because a system of discriminating based skill was removed even though it was totally inaccurate?

    It wasn't inaccurate, you could hop into a 250+ kp pug group and run the CMs without a healer. Below that you most likely need a hfb. Now the only option is to make a static, yes.. But me and many others can't do that, because my timetable doesn't allow me to play at regular hours, so pugging is the only option for some people. And finally nobody said here that fractals are dleted.. but a good system to find groups was deleted, yes.

    adjective:inaccurate- not accurate.
    adjective: accurate 1.(of information, measurements, statistics, etc.) correct in all details; exact.
    noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles- exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

    i get playing on abnormal timetables is rough i have an odd sleep schedule myself but i really don't expect the lack of kp will make pugging any worse.

    None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license.
    ~John Milton

  • new KP goes into wallet, KP is not gone, just requires API use to see. this will make people use discord more to verify peoples true KP from discord bots or websites / addons such as killproof.me and to be fair pinging Fake KP was a problem because of KP generators online. If anything this change will benefit genuine players more as they will not have to worry about people faking killproofs.

  • theCypher.9406theCypher.9406 Member ✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    @Nitro.4732 said:
    new KP goes into wallet, KP is not gone, just requires API use to see. this will make people use discord more to verify peoples true KP from discord bots or websites / addons such as killproof.me and to be fair pinging Fake KP was a problem because of KP generators online. If anything this change will benefit genuine players more as they will not have to worry about people faking killproofs.

    I dont believe this will be the new "KP proof" by pinging website links and such. Cuz you cant link websites and have to type the link manually from ingame chat and you cant force everybody to use discord and connect to a different one each day just to prove fractal experience (or raid, strike, whatever). QoL would be horror.
    On second hand, i wont give my api key to any site. Never needed that feature and i guess there are a lot of people out there, not using api keys (for whatever reason).

    @Keydos.3176 said:
    I don't quite get why they did this. The community will find new KP's. Infusion, weapons, or just keep using the old KP's that the veterans have built up over time.

    Grouping people of equal skill in pug-groups was never a bad thing. It can be discriminatory, yes. but it's better than have people who don't uphold the standard of expectation receive toxicity, we all know how toxic some people can be if you make mistakes. Grouping people of equal skill at least reduces this frustration, as well as allows me to do my daily run smoothly when I just want to relax.

    on the other hand, I like the new items and things you can buy with the KP's, and an incentive to use the tokens as currency (as it was meant to be) instead of Killproof, but this implementation creates a lot more troubles. I won't be trading in my KP's for anything until the dust settles on what the new 'KP's will be.

    This seems more likely. The community will find a system to get some kind of KP since you want to group equally experienced players. Nothing to do with toxicity.
    I usually lfg or join ~150 KP groups for smooth but non elitist runs, sometimes i go with "some KP" or ~50 KP to help out and on rare occasions i go with 250/300/500 KP groups for no-heal-speed clears if i feel for the kick :)
    But without this possibilty to distinguish between those groups i will have some trouble finding a suited grp. And it might be more frustrating since you will have very mixed groups without KP and if you only got 1-2 hours time for fracs a day, you dont want to explain every bit each day and only do 1 fractal an hour. It might seem toxic to some people (and i dont like elitism too) but KPs have some good sides too.

    Regards

  • @theCypher.9406 said:
    I dont believe this will be the new "KP proof" by pinging website links and such. Cuz you cant link websites and have to type the link manually from ingame chat

    This is why BlishHud already supports KP checking in game. no need for website links or discords. players that choose not to register their API key with such websites like KillProof.me can play with other like minded players in pugs and those who strive for better groups can easily register their api and check others quickly in game and not worry about someone pretending to have 250kp thanks to online fake kp generators and spam scripts.

    I honestly don't see this being much of a issue for regular CM players, and ofcourse static groups will know their other members abilities and not care for KP.

  • Fir.7932Fir.7932 Member ✭✭✭

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    You could fake it, yes, even tho most people didn't and even if you got carried for like 500kp, you still had to learn something. It's impossible to kill it this many times and be like 50kp level player. Yes, kp is not accurate, and idk what your experience with puging is, but I have over 1.5k kp (keeping 1k selling the rest), multiclass, Fractal God, have been playing since chaos chrono meta and even tho I was memeber of 2 static groups and I was leading training runs and teaching new people I started from 0 with pugs and got my first stack of 250kp all by solo puging and even when in static I like to join high kp groups just for fun even with dailies done. I am more than confident saying that in majority of times there's a huge difference between low kp and high kp player and the same goes for parties. I am not having fun clearing it with 150kp groups but going with 400-500 kp groups is fun for me, even when I have no rewards from it. So yes, it is not 100% accurate, but it was the best tool we had and devs should not be forcing experienced players to carry noobs if they don't want to, because that is not fun for anyone and will end up in getting kicked from groups or ppl still using old kp, preventing new players to reach our level.

  • Fir.7932Fir.7932 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nitro.4732 said:
    new KP goes into wallet, KP is not gone, just requires API use to see. this will make people use discord more to verify peoples true KP from discord bots or websites / addons such as killproof.me and to be fair pinging Fake KP was a problem because of KP generators online. If anything this change will benefit genuine players more as they will not have to worry about people faking killproofs.

    You're right, it's just not as comfortable to use second up to find a group for your game. Also I would find it kinda sad, if in game lfg feature would just not be reliable anymore. But time will tell I guess. It's just a pointless complication imho.

  • Fir.7932Fir.7932 Member ✭✭✭

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

    i suppose my real question is; why are people acting like fractals have been deleted because a system of discriminating based skill was removed even though it was totally inaccurate?

    I mean. Judging by this post no1 is saying that fractals are being deleted. People are just mad/confused about this pointless complication to the lfg system, that most of the people, me including, just don't understand. For me personally I will still use old kp in lfg just asi everyone else, or I'll just use discord, but I hope new players will have some option to prove their experience right in lfg.

  • People who already have KP can keep them in bank, newer players will suffer for a while though as they cannot build them up. Could be bad, but time will tell.

  • haattila.5974haattila.5974 Member ✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:
    KP was never a indicator of skill it was and always will be just a tool for people to be discriminatory.

    It gives an estimate on someone’s potential skill with whatever awarded that particular KP.

    and it could always be bought spoofed or carried for.

    True but the likelihood of running into someone that does that is low.

    i suppose my real question is; why are people acting like fractals have been deleted because a system of discriminating based skill was removed even though it was totally inaccurate?

    People are not acting like fractals have been deleted, because what has been done is the same as removing the Anti-Cheat in any FPS game, discriminition toward cheater is fine in FPS, discrimination toward ruiner (because let's call a ruiner what it is) is also fine in fractal

  • Raizel.1839Raizel.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    It should decrese toxicity since everyone will have a chance to prove their value.

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    The issue is about player coming to fractal being rejected because they can't share any cosmic essences as its no longer look by ark and there is no kp to replace old one in the new 100CM
    the new essence thingy make no sence for several reasons:
    -excessive amout looted: 40 per cm done. 2nd day i have 160 of these so people ask need for new player to get16k of them to equilibrate for the old 400kp? how many bank slot wated to store weapon or infusiont that you have to ping to prove 16k?
    -its looted on all cm and so it doesn't mean as much as before as it could be someone getter them from daily farming only 98cm. so would make people ask for even more to make sure its not only looted on 98/99cm
    -who want bother installing another addon to check someone has 16k of that currecy when they can wait 2more min and have someone else that ping 400 of the old one?
    -title: no worries it will be sold for MC next week so it will be totally irrelevent

    so yeah in the end this smart change does that:
    player that played fractal for a while: no change they had and still have their kp, they can ping them all fine for them.
    player that were working on learning fractal and improve their gameplay: they are now unable to access to higher group due to the lack of kp. stuck in their progression an most likely will give up on fractals as the majority of their group is fail after fail and having a good group here and there won't be enough to compensate the lack of progression nor give them the will to keep fractal as their dailys
    player that think kp are evil but want so badly to play with kp group: they still have no kp and still cannot enter kp group so no change here either

    there were few ways to get it right or at least half right:
    -touch nothing (not perfect but no better options atm imo)
    -add new kp for the new cm (not perfect but no better options atm imo)
    -do as it was done but force old kps to convert and leave all with no kp (all equal but next lfg will be with mass kick as there is noway to estimate player level and so players that don't want to stuggle on their cm won't take more that 1 boss try before kicking and blocking players that don't fit, which is much worse imo)

    Being beginer is fine at start but being stuck forever at low kp isn't my plan so I'll go back to raid and I'd advise to new fractal player to switch to raid as it is now way more accessible than fractal.
    if point was to reduce fractal accessibility well done!

    @Raizel.1839 said:
    It should decrese toxicity since everyone will have a chance to prove their value.

    everyone had a chance, we could go train and get kp now you can train but no chance to prove you value ;) . But i agree it's easier to just call people toxic instead of joining/making a training group

  • Friday.7864Friday.7864 Member ✭✭✭

    So what's the Fractal KP replacement, how do you match yourself with people of a similar skill/knowledge level now?
    I hope Anet doesn't expect experienced people with limited time to be super accepting and do runs with newbies.
    With newbies I mean people who don't bother to look up the basics, expect to get carried, never even thought of joining an actual training run, often don't even communicate and just end up wiping the party time after time.

  • Fangoth.4503Fangoth.4503 Member ✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    right click block, right click kick. doubt they ever remove this one. bit sad that it has to go that way but well people says its better than kp

  • The new kp made me really sad and consider giving up on fractals alltogether, because of what some of you have already mentioned. I'm a person who plays gw2 for one year, have 26 kp, with no chance of obtaining more. But fractal veterans in lfg playing for x years are still going to ask for 100, 200+ kp that are now completely impossible for me to obtain, "thanks" to the new wallet currency. So either I will push my luck and try joining in 25+ kp groups forever, or just switch to raiding because I can't be bothered. I really like fractals a lot and wanted to improve, but this is very discouraging and saddening for people like me.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe players will use LI for proof now.
    It's as if Anet didn't learn anything when they didn't add a new KP for Strikes.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The combination of Fractal God (plus Dances with Demons) will get you into almost any group just like before. We shall have to wait and see how this develops. The community will come up with some new ways of proving your experience soon, I am sure.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • aleron.1438aleron.1438 Member ✭✭✭

    Sun Qua shows more mechanics akin to raid wings 5-6-7, so I feel we may see double KP asked: Legendary Divinations on top

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    Players will come up with a new way to gate. Meanwhile dps meters are going to get even worse a rep, because now players who get into groups without the proper experience will get the boot.

    The issue has not disappeared:
    Players wanting to play with other players of equal skill.

    As long as Arenanet does not offer an in-game method of achieving this, players will find ways to do so on their own. Meanwhile all one can hope for is that toxicity does not spike due to once again mixing players of different play styles and skill, though I fear that is exactly what is going to happen.

  • @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Players will come up with a new way to gate. Meanwhile dps meters are going to get even worse a rep, because now players who get into groups without the proper experience will get the boot.

    The issue has not disappeared:
    Players wanting to play with other players of equal skill.

    As long as Arenanet does not offer an in-game method of achieving this, players will find ways to do so on their own. Meanwhile all one can hope for is that toxicity does not spike due to once again mixing players of different play styles and skill, though I fear that is exactly what is going to happen.

    Guild Wars 2

    None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license.
    ~John Milton

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    So if I cannot ping the new KP, should I keep the old KP?
    Because people still ask for KP regardless of the update...

    What now? Is there a solution to this?

  • anet want you to not keep them but would be a mistake to consume them well at least keep 400ish if you have huge amount

  • @Clyan.1593 said:
    So if I cannot ping the new KP, should I keep the old KP?
    Because people still ask for KP regardless of the update...

    What now? Is there a solution to this?

    Just keep them. I guess they will be used as kp for a long time.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Oldyoung.6109 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Players will come up with a new way to gate. Meanwhile dps meters are going to get even worse a rep, because now players who get into groups without the proper experience will get the boot.

    The issue has not disappeared:
    Players wanting to play with other players of equal skill.

    As long as Arenanet does not offer an in-game method of achieving this, players will find ways to do so on their own. Meanwhile all one can hope for is that toxicity does not spike due to once again mixing players of different play styles and skill, though I fear that is exactly what is going to happen.

    Guild Wars 2

    Oh this will barely affect me atm. I rarely run fractals or raids with PUG groups. That doesn't mean I agree with changes which will negatively impact PUG players.

    That said, if it gets more players to join a guild and interact with others, even better.

    @Senfdieb.3985 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    So if I cannot ping the new KP, should I keep the old KP?
    Because people still ask for KP regardless of the update...

    What now? Is there a solution to this?

    Just keep them. I guess they will be used as kp for a long time.

    The old KP are still being used for 98/99 CM groups currently on EU. So yeah absolutely keep them. Eventually most CM players will have to move on to getting the 100CM title for completion and completion without dying. The ascended weapon chest with new skin for first time CM completion also function as KP already.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I doubt after reading this thread it could get more toxic. I guess you will actually have to learn who's your skill level and add them as friends and try to run with them more often instead of doing an entire run anonymously not saying more then 2 words for that hour.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    Ill keep my kp then. Still kinda confusing, especially since i cant increase my kp now. It will stay on 320ish until i got my title. Uncool that is.

  • @Raizel.1839 said:
    It should decrese toxicity since everyone will have a chance to prove their value.

    The only reason why people ask for KP is that (at least according to those that asked for KPs), most people did not in fact, manage to prove their value.

    Generally, if players feel they need to prefilter their group members for some type of content, then they will prefilter their group members. In the absence of one method, they will switch to another. And if the new method is going to be less accurate, to the point where it will visibly affect completion chances, then yes, it will result in more toxicity.

    Notice, that ultimately this problem does not come from the players having some special expectations for their group members. It happens when that kind of prefiltering actually works (has a visible impact on completion times, and especially on completion chances). The only way to get rid of it is when the two groups of players that should never meet in the same group have absolutely no problem playing separately, without mixing with each other.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    There's no toxicity in statics with friends. You should try creating your own groups ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    You have a heart of gold. Don't let them take it from you.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:
    Can't wait for LI to become account bound too. That will put an end to the KP travesty.

    No it won't. Something else will just take its place. For example, instead of opening the chests, I just bank them. Those could be used instead of the guild decorations.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah or like that too. You get the idea.