Dear Anet Team

could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?

theres a mega threat with 1.1k comments and like 20 more posts about mesmers complains per forum page.

isnt it obvious that everyone wants something to be done about it?

its so unenjoyable facing 2 chronos everytime game you que.

so yeah.. could we please have a statement on what your plans are?? please? anything would be appreciated... dont let us play this awful pvp season without knowing how long the mesmer train is gonna last.

thx

I had 14 games in a row with x4 mesmers, cool game.

League of Legends have a big patch every month and a minor patch every 2 weeks, why can't we have this?

@michelada.2947 said:League of Legends have a big patch every month and a minor patch every 2 weeks, why can't we have this?

Because LoL has a dev team that gives a shit about PvP.

GW2 does not.

@"Toron.4856" said:could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?Adding lots of threads like this isn't going to get ANet to act differently. They already know there's lots of salt about this, lots of fair criticism, and lots of noise on the topic, too. We'll get a response when they are ready to address it, not when it's convenient for us to learn about their plans.

(a) We already have feedback. The last balance patch demonstrates that ANet doesn't think this is as big an issue as some of the posters.

(b) The fact that there are 1.1k comments doesn't take into account that some people are rabid in their condemnation of the current state of mesmers ... and keep posting largely the same comment. And that some — equally rabid — supporters of the status quo do the same.

© Even if ANet agreed that there was a bigger issue (or set of issues), they might not have figured out how they want to resolve it so that a nerf to competitive play mesmer doesn't undermine PvE (as it has done many times in the past)

(d) Even if ANet agreed, they might not care to do as much as some would like. Just look at the similarly-long threads on random mount licenses. They didn't make any change at all to the original licenses. With the new license pack, they reduced the number of mounts and offered a very expensive "pick your own" alternative; they didn't change the price of the RNG version. It's a clear change and many people consider it an improvement, but it's also not anything close to what the strongest critics recommended.

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

Adding lots of threads like this isn't going to get ANet to act differently. They already know there's lots of salt about this, lots of fair criticism, and lots of noise on the topic, too. We'll get a response when they are ready to address it, not when it's convenient for us to learn about their plans.

Nothing is gonna make Anet act, as the pvp is trash , that says much about them. They are waiting for the game to die out.

The OP Chrono Mesmer is going to make PvP die even more. We are going to lose so many players due to this complete shit build. Like what were they thinking when they balanced classes? They have an unlimited uptime of protection of like 43% damage reduction as long as they are creating clones and also regening health per clone too. They are tanky AF and also deal insane damage with crazy mobility. It's not fun playing chrono mesmers because you have no chance of beating a good one. Hell most good chrono mesmers can 2v1 you.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

@"Toron.4856" said:could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?

theres a mega threat with 1.1k comments and like 20 more posts about mesmers complains per forum page.

isnt it obvious that everyone wants something to be done about it?

its so unenjoyable facing 2 chronos everytime game you que.

so yeah.. could we please have a statement on what your plans are?? please? anything would be appreciated... dont let us play this awful pvp season without knowing how long the mesmer train is gonna last.

thx

It would probably be a good idea to give the community some kind of idea and drop the "i cant say" stuff. att his point people want some kind of answers/indication of what you guys are going to do. We are well past the point of be patient. Without action soon this game mode is going to die faster that you guys think. Already its a mess. Refuse to communicate much more and it'll become a dead mode. A ghost town.

So if community is composed at 95% of very bad players who die on mecanics that good players can evade easily, dev team will do a lot of work about it ?Where is your competitive aspect ?

It's not even fair with the invis/invulns/blocks and teleports, it's like fighting a class that has all the best parts of everyone else's class not to mention alot of their skills are defensive and offensive at once while other proffessions have to choose one or the other

@Delweyn.1309 said:So if community is composed at 95% of very bad players who die on mecanics that good players can evade easily, dev team will do a lot of work about it ?Where is your competitive aspect ?

Except that isn't the problem. There is a difference between l2p and your screen being filled with a absurd amount of visual clutter, all the while the mesmer is doing high damage with a high damage mitigation up time and the ability to reset fights over and over again. I've never seen too many complaints about memsers up until the rework.

Good to know - looking forward to see what changes you guys have in store (and looking forward to moving out of the spotlight of the community ire).

@Devilman.1532 said:

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

@"Toron.4856" said:could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?

theres a mega threat with 1.1k comments and like 20 more posts about mesmers complains per forum page.

isnt it obvious that everyone wants something to be done about it?

its so unenjoyable facing 2 chronos everytime game you que.

so yeah.. could we please have a statement on what your plans are?? please? anything would be appreciated... dont let us play this awful pvp season without knowing how long the mesmer train is gonna last.

thx

Considering that to fix mesmer will require redesigning quite a few traits and skills, its likely they don't even know what they want to do yet. And based off of their EM changes, they seem hell bent on NOT taking our feedback into account when deciding how to change skills.

@OriOri.8724 said:

@Devilman.1532 said:

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

@"Toron.4856" said:could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?

theres a mega threat with 1.1k comments and like 20 more posts about mesmers complains per forum page.

isnt it obvious that everyone wants something to be done about it?

its so unenjoyable facing 2 chronos everytime game you que.

so yeah.. could we please have a statement on what your plans are?? please? anything would be appreciated... dont let us play this awful pvp season without knowing how long the mesmer train is gonna last.

thx

Sadly I think youre right. Mesmer is their baby and pride and joy.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

@Toron.4856 said:could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?

theres a mega threat with 1.1k comments and like 20 more posts about mesmers complains per forum page.

isnt it obvious that everyone wants something to be done about it?

its so unenjoyable facing 2 chronos everytime game you que.

so yeah.. could we please have a statement on what your plans are?? please? anything would be appreciated... dont let us play this awful pvp season without knowing how long the mesmer train is gonna last.

thx

bring back power meta plz

I don't understand. Before the balance patch, numerous people predicted what mesmers would become post patch . The community had tons of concerns before the patch was released, yet Anet didn't fix/believe it before the BS happened.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

@Toron.4856 said:could we have any feedback on what your gonna do about mesmers?

theres a mega threat with 1.1k comments and like 20 more posts about mesmers complains per forum page.

isnt it obvious that everyone wants something to be done about it?

its so unenjoyable facing 2 chronos everytime game you que.

so yeah.. could we please have a statement on what your plans are?? please? anything would be appreciated... dont let us play this awful pvp season without knowing how long the mesmer train is gonna last.

thx

You guys should be looking into scourge as well why you are at it. Both Mesmer rework and Scourge are abominations to spvp. If you remove those two from the game, then pvp is actually good! Put those two together and the capture point is a mix between several, large, pulsing, and visually disturbing, high damaging condition spreading circles. All while there are 8+ clones are on the point. The thing that is upsetting is that constantly time and time again Anet just lets this slide and make players who actually like spvp endure through it while they think of what to change or if they will change anything. And each time the pvp population becomes smaller and smaller.

How about before pushing big changes on spvp that you guys place it on a test server and get feedback from the spvp community?

@Mthe mystery.4615 said:I don't understand. Before the balance patch, numerous people predicted what mesmers would become post patch . The community had tons of concerns before the patch was released, yet Anet didn't fix/believe it before the BS happened.

I’m assuming they did.But their working method is once again to blame here. Here’s what they did:

They released a draft (skills split pt 1) and asked for feedback. Then, a week before the patch release with a date already fixed and unchangable, they released pt 2 without giving themselves any room to change anything based on new feedback.

Ideally they would release pt. 2 earlier or the patch later to allow for feedback on the 2nd iteration aswell.

Regardless, when the feedback has so many logical reasons showing as to why mes is going to be absurd and you don’t postpone the patch or nerf mes more (what can you do, as a developer you must know that unexpected things/demands can come about last sec) that is a major underestimation on their part on the severity of how broken and damaging mesmer is to pvp.

@bLind.6278 said:

@michelada.2947 said:League of Legends have a big patch every month and a minor patch every 2 weeks, why can't we have this?

You must be stupid. Did you forgot about PvE,WvW,Spvp they have 3 to focus and rework at the same time, obv ur brain don't give a kitten to what comes out ur mouth.

@Mthe mystery.4615 said:I don't understand. Before the balance patch, numerous people predicted what mesmers would become post patch . The community had tons of concerns before the patch was released, yet Anet didn't fix/believe it before the BS happened.

Note that this doesn't excuse the lack of a balance patch for mesmer after the recent phantasm re-design.

I, and others, have answered this before, yet its possible you didn't read through those threads and see those comments. But the balance patch we just got was geared almost entirely at skill splits, and even then most of it applied to passive proc traits. Mesmer needs a lot of things to be redesigned, skill splits won't solve the problem that the class currently has. It was simply out of scope for the most recent balance patch. That is why it wasn't addressed, because to actually address it will require that quite a few things be redesigned, again.

You must be stupid. Did you forgot about PvE,WvW,Spvp they have 3 to focus and rework at the same time, obv ur brain don't give a kitten to what comes out ur mouth.

Ahaaaa someone's breaking the forum rules :'D

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:(b) The fact that there are 1.1k comments doesn't take into account that some people are rabid in their condemnation of the current state of mesmers ... and keep posting largely the same comment. And that some — equally rabid — supporters of the status quo do the same.

That's exactly what it DOES take into account, lol.

Btw, I've discussed this with the mesmer mains on that thread and overwhelmingly they agree mesmer is broke. What they don't agree on is people asking anet to gut the class entirely or how bad the nerf should be. Or, in some cases, that the changes proposed will even fix anything.

@Legatus.3608 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:(b) The fact that there are 1.1k comments doesn't take into account that some people are rabid in their condemnation of the current state of mesmers ... and keep posting largely the same comment. And that some — equally rabid — supporters of the status quo do the same.

As a mesmer main I can't even enter that thread anymore due to how little most people are willing to listen as to what is actually wrong with mesmer, and not being able to hold a real conversation as to where nerfs should be implemented.

@Legatus.3608 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:(b) The fact that there are 1.1k comments doesn't take into account that some people are rabid in their condemnation of the current state of mesmers ... and keep posting largely the same comment. And that some — equally rabid — supporters of the status quo do the same.

Out of context, that does look funny. However, it was in response to someone who was claiming the number was an accurate measure of the community's feeling on the topic. My point is that it only measures that there's a lot of passion on the topic; it doesn't tell us if there's a consensus viewpoint or an intense disagreement among a tiny minority... or something in between.