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We've been stuck in T1 for months against the same two servers, of course people will get tired, after having an overstacked link almost 8 months ago. Transfers still happened before the Linking system started tbh, as Anet allowed cheaper transfers before Tournaments to certain servers, but plenty of guilds and players paid 1800 gems to leave more underpopulated servers for even very high pop servers .

Players and guilds leave because of the current system, like certain servers are full for many months, so they have a high chance of no link at least in the EU, thus alot of their players they recruit who are on the link are stuck on that link server, so they have wait to Population Algorithm to catch up so that they can transfer, but it usually ends up costing 1800 gems each time, unless you get a massive drop in activity and/or transfers off from your server. On a server like Deso especially it's a big problem, because you have higher night activity, than prime time or during the day. There is little to no server pride these days, because it's just not worth it like in those old days, especially when I played 9 years ago, when you had No server links and before most of us who still play this game mode, found that fighting over points and skirmishes isn't worth the time and effort unless necessary, apart from when you want to earn the rewards in WvW or to get different Matchups, as players burned out in the past, especially during those first two WvW tournaments. You have link servers where many guilds and players have hopped constantly and usually stack on one server and you also have link server communities; who do not work well together with their host. It's pretty much healthier in the current state of WvW. to play amongst your guild and other Friends you meet; whether it's small or large scale, who usually tries to organize things together on their own (single) Community Server Discord, but alot of people rather just do their own thing these days.. Alliances will have Guilds and players who should want to play in the same Alliances as each other, but you will still get some randoms and other guilds who are not an Alliance too, it's just that Alliances should allow Anet to balance WvW populations better than the current system. They should shrink the EU down to 4 tiers at the very least.

No surprise really after how the first beta went. It seems it was far from ready for Public testing back in September, but at least it shouldn't happen again, right? Hopefully the next beta early next year will go smoothly, with more time being spent on the issues you found, instead of rushing it out. It sadly means more months of this flawed Server linking system and Server population algorithm, which is just not working well in the EU anymore.

I guess we'll have to wait and see for any confirmation, within the next two days.

Will there be any update on when the beta guild signups start, or has there been another delay? Also, is the next relink on the last Friday of this month or early December?

Exactly, it's hilarious when people complain hysterically about a server, which has no control over most things, while we all wait for Alliances to arrive. Especially when, Anet links servers together who will just farm kills against most servers, who are getting more transfers in, one who clouds EBG all day as a 'fight' server.

Very funny, since being t1 means nothing anyway these days. Piken's 'won' T1 for weeks, all it's decided is multiple weeks against the same server(s) and guilds. All the while being 'full', with little community that is coordinated or organized these days, with not many guilds left.

Outnumber when? Apart from late at night, we just have one EU prime time guild raid getting double or triple pushed alot of the time and a bunch of Pugs who can't even out PPT Piken as it is, as most of them afk on EBG, or follow some random chatmander who can't do anything, apart from lower our kdr. It seems like Kodash got bandwagoned by random chatmanders too, so it got worse as time went. We've also got pip farm bots, who have yet to be banned.

It was never going to be quick fix, they said hopefully in the next few weeks, so hopefully they follow up with that promise, cause the Server relinks are also next week. This week's matchups aren't even right aswell, many servers are in the wrong tiers, but it is an irrelevant week.

Getting to play with old server friends and guilds will be nice even for a week, rather than what has became of my server, mainly due to transfers, server pairings and how the population algorithm has worked, after they brought in this Server Linking system. As long as the queues aren't so bad at least, hopefully the week goes smoothly. So yeah forget server pride, with the current state of WvW.

At least i've seen queues on T1 EU during the weekend on EBG, chatmanders tagged up, but not even with full squads or that many people around as far as I could see. It's just puzzling, cause most of the time I can't find these players around, so they don't contribute much, they don't even roam afaik.

You do realize Winning or staying in T1 is meaningless these days, especially with this current linking system? I don't it as a major issue that needs to be addressed, unlike population imbalance and then actually making the ppt side of WvW relevant, besides trying to find the best tiers to fight against servers you actually want to fight.

I mean the state of WvW in the EU isn't great ATM either, especially since every other commander, pug and even guilds, are still transferring to stack on servers. Looking below T2, it looks kind of bleak besides the weekends and prime time, unless you aren't stacked. Maybe we'll see more activity this autumn or not.

Also I'm guessing the next relinks will get pushed back, so they will switch back to normal a week later, which means the relink after will be in early December. Beta 2 will be early next year, but they did say it will not be around to EoDs launch timeframe.

I've seen random ppt chatmanders on here causing queues, which may be because it's still during the summer holidays, but the queues die down, because they can hardly fight anything organized during prime time. It's not 350g well spent honestly.

It could be shortened matchups during the betas, since the first beta is going to be Guilds only, the first beta will test the initial systems and then the second will be open to others they invite? Then we might see a proper rollout next year? Will wait and see some proper confirmation from them soon though, because not everything is clear, especially since there is "no timeframe" tied with the release of the expansion.

We don't even know in what form the Betas will come out and then whenever the Alliances will be ready for a full launch. The rest of the content will come from the new EoD elite specs, which might make or break the meta in wvw. Unless we somehow get a new map along with EoD, but afaik that takes alot of time to work on another map, especially based on what happened with the Desert Borderlands from the beta to the full release and I doubt they had enough devs to work on Alliances at the same time.

The matchups tend to be unbalanced a couple of weeks after the relinks, due to glicko being used and population shifts and mass transfers.

Good for you honestly, although I think a link is not that important if you can at least stay out of t5 and have an active community left , especially due to bandwagoning, server stacking or the fact that some links are dead. The whole system is just not bringing balanced matchups and balancing populations well enough, but it's not just anet to blame it's also us players, which leads to lower quality wvw for everyone. Alliances will be in beta, so we'll still have some time to wait, until we see if it works to bring a better WvW experience, through player feedback.

There are only two full servers in the EU and 13 Medium, as of now after this weeks population change. You went full a week after those transfers happened in early June. So since Anet doesn't want to shrink the EU down to Four tiers, both you and Riverside got no link, as there are no other 'full' servers which can stand on their own, according to their population algorithm.

Thank all the people/guilds who transferred to Gandara after you went open for a week, according to GW2mists from Fort Ranik and one other guild not registered on there. Maybe you would of stayed Open otherwise.

Server linkings have been a bandaid for years, it's gone through a testing phase, but still has many issues and so will Alliances. So will WvW be better or worse off? You would hope the former because they haven't really tweaked Server linking's that much, beyond cutting NA down to Four Tiers and removing 3 servers, they only experimented with Four Tiers in the EU, but kept all 27 servers. Also the Population Algorithms has rarely changed and doesn't adjust frequently enough to calculate significant changes in Population and we also still see has Servers; who are more active than others especially in T1 EU staying open compared to EU servers in T5 and other less active servers.

Yup, that's part of the reason why a certain Stacked German server in T2 tanked last week, only to give our pugs an incentive to get rolled over in T1, just like UW during the previous week after. Certainly isn't to tank the week for the next population change though, if they do have a burst of activity this weekend, cause the populations will count. I don't know, Alliances is our only hope? Looks like plenty of queues in the EU tonight, so things might change before the relinks.

Just in time for relink week to temporarily increase populations over the weekend.

Late reply here, but they did lower the population Caps back in April which wasn't announced here, where alot of servers dropped to high and even medium, including wsr and Deso; who became way overpopulated but still, it took a couple of weeks to adjust. Because it's summer,. I don't think wvw is that active in the EU, especiallt with covid still being a problem over here in the UK and rest of Europe, so many people will still be spendinh most of their summer at home. So maybe the algorithm could be adjusted before the relinks, cause even on a 'Full' server it doesn't even seem that active right now and certainly sfr can't be very high pop, while perma stuck in T5 as red.