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I don't think she died just came close to it.

That's a cool idea. I was expecting if they didn't cut so much of the IBS story short we would have gotten some seer stuff later on cause I was expecting Jormag stuff in the far shiver peaks and then Primordus stuff in the southern shiver peaks. The southern shiverpeaks are now the last main gw1 region we haven't returned to in gw2. Considering that region is full of dwarfs, a blood stone, and had a few seers. The locations seemed like a perfect spot to play out Primordus's story. Plus also the location of the second wave of primordus drms being in thunderhead and ebonhawk also suggests that if the IBS was done fully there would have been a story moment where Primordus was active in that region. The southern shiverpeaks was also a location where we were introduced to the Eidolon which I always thought were super cool. Honestly considering just how things in the story have worked out where we keep coming close to ascending, but never actually doing it fully they could introduce a Eidolon storyline very easily since we were only able to see them in gw1 after we ascended. It also be cool to find some more Giganticus Lupicus lore/ruins since they were this super cool classic world building set piece from gw1 seeing their remains all over tyria and then gw2 comes out and the only time there is any mention of them at all is a single risen one we kill and then that's it. The race is just gone without a trace.

I did mean sect. The order of whisper was also a singular faction in gw1 but because of the movement of the world the group splintered. It doesn't make sense for people to have no contact for over 200 years, and the two different groups not grow into their own branches. Maybe the group did die out in cantha and just become part of the minsteray of security, was whipped out by the ministry of purity, died in the Zhatain disaster, or something. I'd still just like some clarification about the Zenshin. It just makes sense that the order would have been able to endure the loss if the battle isles in their homeland when its mangled to survive in the rest of the world.

What you're talking about is a completely different scent of the Zaishen. Zafirah(and anyone else) wouldn't have been aloud into Cantha, and the Zaishen that were in Cantha wouldn't have been aloud to leave either. Since the order was originally from Cantha it would make sense they still had a base in Cantha. Similar to how the Order of Shadows was cut off and had nothing to do with the Order of Whispers once they broke off cause that region of the world was also locked down for most of the gap between games. It's more likely we don't see any of them is because the Zaishen still in Cantha were wiped out by the Zhaitan disaster, but I'm hoping that's not the case and the reason we don't see them is cause they are all mostly north holding back the risen or something.

updated map in first pose based on feedback

I tried making a map of all the story beats that I can see coming back in the next season of living story. Any thought? Anything I forgot about? https://imgur.com/gallery/BiRqA4x

really sucks an EoD collection isn't possible because some core event is bugged.

Not sure why you're quoting me to echo the sentiment I just posted as if I said the opposite.

Dumb posts like this hurt the game so much in the long run.

I'll be honest. I didn't care enough to read your post @Kalavier.1097 >.<' --- I just saw Wooden Potato's story review. This video is worth a good watch. He does a much better job covering the things I said and it sounds like with the exception of our opinions of Anka and Mai being swapped we shared a lot of the same opinions about this story.

I think everyone who has played this game longer then a year knew this was going to happen. Honestly the design of the meta and the choices made before and after release for this map really make me scared for the actual future of this game, because it kind of feels like the shot callers right now dont have a clue about what works and doesn't work in gw2 and haven't learned from things already learned and proven from this games own past. Kind of makes me wonder about just who the studio lost in those layoffs.

its bugged and not all of them are there for me. please fix this. It probably be easier for the dev's to fix this is the achivement was laid out better. it should always list all the collections separately and not just have blank out of blank. im not sure which ones are bugged for me now but i know i checked all the locations multiple times yesterday.

maybe that means they did fix it. i didnt do the meta in a bit.

hope this is fixed soon

im also missing this anyone know what the event actually is?

can you provide information on how to do this achievement if you did it?

Saying the final fight with soo won was shown in that image of the all falling out of balance in season 2 is super super thin. The all is just a representation for reality. Inspired by how they mapped the Domain of Torment.

The magic comes out of the dragon jade charged with soo won's magic. And the funny thing is that this doesn't even matter. Say I interpreted this one detail wrong. Does that mean there are actually sea dragon minions all over I missed? Nope. You're so desperate to challenge this one detail it just proves everything else i said true. 🤷‍♂️ I did the meta before the final mission. I'm confused what exactly you think that changes. You must be a new player if you dont think any of those characters were meant to die. This is the sorta thing they even discuss some times on stream. To me just sounds like you dont read a lot if you were actually okay with how the story played out for the elder dragons. I bet you think ibs: champions was super epic to. 😛

I did do that and get the achievement. Your standards must be super low or something if you think that changes anything I said lol

Nope. There is even an achievement for killing all of the risen during the reactor mission when they get converted. You must have missed something, or you're confused about what I'm talking about. This was a review of the game's story. The naga were not part of the main narrative at all, so I'm not wrong at all. That being said even if we look at the naga events in world. They had very minimal and pretty much nonexistant lore. All their events can be summed up to them just being a nuisance race who worship leviathans.

Oh, sorry thanks for reminding me. I forgot to mention how epic and cool it felt that the epic final conflict a decade in the making has the entire pact fleet fighting an "epic battle" along side aurene done off screen while we are doing the final mission. Would have been a great place for a cutscene but instead we got dragon's watch going "what are those?!"

First let me say I enjoyed the game and liked it overall, and they did a great job with all the Cantha stuff. I loved how they were able to honor that really old Zaithan lore with all the risen and ruined city. I loved how they used it as a clever way to back out of the hole that the Ministry of Purity caused storyline without ignoring it. I was expecting them to be similar to Joko's role in Pof but I'm glad they just had the whole civil war play out before we got there. That all being said... I think they failed really hard with the elder dragon lore. My favorite part of the story was early on meeting Mai and seeing how she'd changed. Really great character and it made her death extra sad to me, but that being said. She was killed by Ankka who i think is a pretty stupid part of the story. It felt like the sort of plot character you'd get from wow where she comes out of no where and is just this big super smart big baddie. Her motivations were pretty stupid and nonsense in the end, and I just didn't like how she was introduced out of no where and shoots aurene with a dues ex machina gun, and then we later use that same gun that she herself didn't think would work to stop the dragon void in the end. It give me the same sense of the way we kill zaithan with a random set of guns we built or how we kill mordramoth with a sudden out of no where "hey just go into the dream and kill them, duh!" Also the fact scarlet did technically save the day at the reactor is cool cause it finally gives meaning to that old cryptic quotes of "you'll see tyria needs me" or w/e it was from the spinal back piece recipe. They could have easily made Ankka Blish who was found by the aetherblades in the mist or even Zojja who's mind was lost in the mist or something all this time and is now crazy and a bad guy but instead it was just a random asura. The entire idea of the dragon void was so boring and generic and uninteresting or exciting to me, and in the end what it really did was complete rob us of our chance at getting a sea dragon conflict. They took the entire IBS team for the most part to work on EoD, and yet some how we got literally ZERO new dragon minions. There are no sea dragon minions. The sea dragon has had all this speculation for a decade and when we meet her she is a generic asian looking dragon that doesnt feel like she has anything to do with water. when she escapes even and her magic pulses out she turns everything into risen not sea dragon minions. There was no new lore for naga just relocated to a few random side events. The population of cantha is all human and tengu for the most part so they only had to do a human and tengu corrupted minion, but even that they skipped. I was sure that when she escaped that she was going to start to transform and get all monstrous like we saw in concept art years ago. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/a/ab/Dragon_16_concept_art.jpg https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/87/"Tsunami"_concept_art.jpg but instead she becomes "tHe DrAgOnVoId!" where Soo Won and all of her "minions" are just other dragon minions but now they look like a player with too many infusions on their armor... The final fight where you fight the SEA dragon is up in the sky. I asked 6 people while i was playing what element that dragon was when I was fighting her in DE and i got "sky, storm, wind" as the answers because there is nothing about this fight that feels like she is the water dragon. She does some bubbles and a tidal wave but literally every boss in this game does some kind of wave attack. How is it that when we fight Teq a champion of the death dragon it feels WAY more like he is the sea dragon. Minions coming from the sea, attacks that pull you down into dark water beneath the floor, tidal waves from the ocean, literally coming up out of the water. We are in the middle of the jade sea when we fight her but she never does anything with the jade. Did they forget that they made the Drakkar fight? Another dragon that feels more like a sea dragon as it literally is able to swim through solid ice... why not have Soo Won do that in the jade sea? It just feels like they cut the idea of the sea dragon from the expansion for me and went right to a void dragon, and then when you think about it later the risen being all over the coast which i thought was so cool at first I realized it was a clever way for them to not use the coast at all. Why not have minions like naga and crabs stuff that come up out of the water if they wanna avoid the underwater stuff, but they literally just didnt do any sea dragon minions... There is also a huge plot whole as well with what drove the Largos, Quaggan, and Karka to the surface? what was the minion the inquest had captured in the crucible of eternity? It looks similar to the leviathans that the Largos are hunting in EoD are they setting up some new alternative leviathan bad guy with these bosses in EoD to explain that? And if thats the case... why in the world are they doing that? its like they went out of their way to shaft Soo Won. Not only that we never even learn what Soo Won's second mastery is? And it's not like they just forgot in the Soo Won fight itself all of the champions she spawns are just called one thing like "Death and Jungle" they use both schools for them all liked "Death & Shadow and Jungle & Mind" At the end of the IBS i was really upset. They canceled the final arc of Jormag and they cut pretty much Primodus's entire story just to get us ready to deal with Soo Won, so coming into this I thought to myself "they need to make it worth it." and in the end it made me feel like the story of the elder dragons was more pointless and didn't matter then ever. We deal with the void just so easily and no one seems too alarmed by everything building up to. All those random void outbreaks around the world no one even seems that panicked lol. Just thinking back to all we did in thunderhead and it still wasn't enough for Kralk just gives me too much disconnect for how we won this fight. Then the epilogue, everyone is retiring and moving on with their life. Taimi who was meant to die from her sickness but didn't for some reason. Jori who was meant to die by Scarlet's hand, but didn't. Braham who was turned into a dragon minion and in the middle of two elder dragons exploding, but some how lived, logan who was left for dead in orr and got a wound in the Soo Won fight, but managed to live. it made me realize that I was standing in a room full of people who likely were meant to or should have died at some point, but instead all just lived because at no point outside of season 4 did it feel like anet committed to the story of the elder dragons. Going forward I just want the commander to claim ownership of an airship and just have dragon's watch and friends become the name of your pirate crew going on adventures and getting mixed up in random storylines that dont need to spawn over multiple expansions.

You got carried in a meta earlier and now you think the metas totally different lol. They didn't address any of the actual issue that will lead to this map being dead af in a few weeks. (I've had my turtle for a week and I still think it needs to change)

This still hasn't even been acknowledged and its part of the seitung achievements. 😕

Maybe if most of the community is not only failing this event but feeling like the event isnt fun or fair, then the events design as is, is just a failure and it's best to get over it and make a correction. People dont like to get on a game and dedicate hours for literally nothing. Do you think anyone will be doing this event as is in 3 months? It's already a struggle go get people in a group just to do a bounty for the griffon mount lol. You expect people to come back to this map? I wouldn't worry about preserving a sense of epicness either since this fight has the same kind of vibe as drsgonstorm lorewise.