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These are good suggestions, please listen. At least add whirl finishers to the pile. And scrapper NEEDS access to aegis at this point to compete with other supports. Either Bulwark Gyro or the Overshield trait.

Dear Anet, Please get someone who actually plays scrapper on the balance team.

This. Scrapper already can have issues leaping off platforms w/ hammer 3 (or rocket boots that they'll now need to bring to provide boons). Imagine needing to spam it every 3-5 seconds. We're gonna need like 400 scrappers just to keep up quickness on Harvest Temple wtf. This is not good. See the quote above - leaps are unreliable considering how many strikes are on platforms you can fall off of nowadays. You guys are doing literally the same thing, except instead of gyros people now have to stack their utilities/rotations with blasts and leaps and hopefully not kill themselves in the process by yeeting off some edge, not to mention a more mundane leap out of the group issue. That aside, Function Gyro is a high value situation skill, it should be used when there are people going down, not spammed for quickness. That was literally what was wrong with heal scrapper until the quickness duration got buffed so that they could hold onto FG for when it's needed and this feels like it'll be a NOT ENOUGH BLASTS/FIELDS! all over again.

I don't understand why they didn't just make it unsalvageable if it's such an issue. 1st tier crafted tonics are already unsalvageable, for example. Festivals already had poor rewards, now it doesn't feel good getting gifts or ToTs at all.

Okay, just a thought, but maybe core ranger should not outrange the only actual designated sniper role in the game? I thought class fantasy was important? It would be better to either not nerf the deadeye rifle range or nerf ranger longbow range.

Thank you Anet 💗

I'd additionally like to point out that like 90% of dps scrapper rotation will now be ground target aoes. Could you please not.

I hate it with every fiber of my being. All viable engi builds are already 75% ground targeted aoes. PLS NO MORE.

The well change is for all game modes.

And now it's just Healbrand, (which is still oppressively meta in Fractals, but from the sound of it it IS also a must in WvW which is the topic), but I guess that's fine since it's the golden child along with pve mech.

So do scrapper mains don't count as players or what. Please read the actual salt posts. Nobody (or mostly nobody) is complaining about the nerfs themselves or saying it's unwarranted, people are unhappy because scrapper is getting REDESIGNED AGAIN across all game modes (I can't imagine they're making the ground-targetting split across modes, and it's specifically not flagged as wvw only while the rest are) because it was too good in one. We've had the entire spec and identity changed and overhauled now what, five times or something? Look at the stink warriors made with just the banners rework, well we've been getting hit with things like this for literal years. You thought you're a cc heavy dps? Think again, you're a tank bruiser now! Liked pressing F from the distance? Syke, ground targeted signet of rebirth now. Finally got that gyro AI worked out? Never fear, we're changing them into wells anyway. Thematically appropriate lightning fields? How about we delete that and you get a miniscule amount of barrier instead. Oh you were liking the bruiser playstyle? Too bad, you're support now. Actually, scratch that, you're too good, here have some cleanses available to core specs and go sit down in a corner. I think the only other class that was victimized this hard was Chrono with the whole shatter rework, and that did make it disappear for a while. These concerns are warranted.

soooo.... where is the fb nerf anyone?

Sad high five. I don't even like mech but I guess I'll have to close myself in mech jail if I want to do any group content and not drag my friends down. :x

It's literally written in my comment but I guess I'll repeat it, because you can just swap those skills for non-ground targeted ones in other classes (save for Chrono i guess, and that is exactly why I don't play it, because I'm aware I can't). And what utilities are you going to take if you want to play quickness scrapper in pve? Not gyros?

They can function fine, but there is always non-ground target skill options to pick instead and still be viable for people who have trouble with ground targeting. This instead locks out the entire specialization for people like me. Sorry for existing I guess.

Uhhhh why are you people outright murdering scrapper? Ground targeted skills are kitten. If you absolutely want to make the stationary, which is already a nerf lbr, make it land in the spot that the scrapper is in at the moment of cast, for the love of god don't make it ground targeted. Also, why is quickness being removed? I don't see anything about removing quickness from Firebrand. How does this support class diversity? The rest of the changes are fair enough, could've fiddled with numbers more, but these two changes are making me want to quit the game for good ngl. EDIT: holy kitten if you're doing this because there's people crying about stealthbombs in WvW just change the stealth gyro in WvW, nerf it or make it pulse smoke field instead of stealth or whatever, don't gut the entire class across all game modes for this? What the kitten.

So FB still has no contenders in fractals, got it.

Kits are what make engi an engi. If people hate kits there's 8 other classes to play.

Anet kind of forgot the point of engi...

Whut? Scrapper needs buffs not nerfs. It's dead in engame pve rn. Aren't you also only looking at wvw as you're suggesting the devs do?

Sure, nerf the single build that's still viable in a single gamemode, and all engi support builds by extension. Delete scrapper off the game while you're at it. Rest in overnerfed pieces, it's been a fun run. ^ This.

Scrapper whomst? But yeah, after trying mechanist, it's even more painful to go back. I'm not sure whether scrapper was supposed to be a tank or a support anymore, but the new spec does both better and easier. Harbinger and Catalyst also give quickness now and seem preferred in team compositions. To even go back somewhat in line with the rest of support, Scrapper needs to upkeep at least 1-2 additional boons (fury is a popular suggestion. More of at least situational protection and stability share would be nice?) and the superspeed from gyros needs a buff imo. QScrapper is fine in that regard, but I already struggle to keep up 100% on hqscrapper, and I maintain that using skills like aoe ress or burst heal should be able to be kept situational when squad is in trouble, not spammed on cd. Likewise to maintain might you need to spam all your elixir skills on cd and pray. Meanwhile on mechanist I just need to press two buttons every now and then and autoattack to maintain permanent alacrity and 25 stacks of might. Disheartening. "BuT it'S oVERperFORmInG iN wVW!!" well if an espec is only viable in a single niche of a single game mode, not all is well, is it?

So you're also in the Guardian forums, demanding nerfs for Firebrand. Right? ...right? In theory, I completely agree. In practice, it seems that they're not going to do kitten anything about FB, so if they don't bring it down to level with the rest, the next best choice seems to have more "FB"s so they don't completely dominate everything. :x

Scrapper needs buffs, period, at this point. Outside of WvW there's pretty much no reason to play it over another quickness spec. And then heal scrapper needs to scramble to barely maintain it or spam high situational value skills off cooldown. This. Did any other class get a double-digit nerf without any compensation lately? :x

I feel all of this a lot.