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Yeah, the idle animations with weapons drawn aren't particularly good IMO.

Yeah, solar focusing lens gets particularly hurt by the change, because it specifically relies on overloading in PBM.

The hilarious thing about the new function gyros is that they have so little health, I've seen them cleaved instantaneously upon spawn (like, less than 1/8th of a second). They're just BAD, and useless in almost all scenarios except for providing me with stability on the drunk scrapper build. "Elite" mechanic.

(Just watch the first 50 seconds)

I think you misread a lot of what happened to scrapper, allow me to explain:-300 vit minor trait. All scrappers are down 3000 health now, equivalent to guardian/ele base health.15% of outgoing strike damage (I presume this means power damage) is returned as barrier. This means that in order to recover 3000 health, the scrapper needs to deal 20,000 damage. This damage doesn't include condi as far as I can tell.Old function gyro worked every 10 seconds at 900 range. New function gyro works every 30 seconds at 600 range (+15s per additional f-gyro spawned). This is roughly equivalent to the warrior elite banner but on a shorter cooldown and shorter radius, and works more slowly (f-gyros need to cast, not instantaneous like banner). F-gyros should all still be cleavable/cc-able.Object in Motion comes at the expense of perfectly weighted and another damage boost. Overall, it's actually a decrease in damage.Rapid Regen was removed -- significantly lowering scrapper's ability to survive and heal. It also hurts healer builds using MDF.The increase in stun/daze brings finishers up to closer to 1.5 seconds instead of 1 second. It's stronger, but not that much stronger.Adaptive armor's effect is weaker, it only boosts barrier you gain now.The new function gyro prevents access to F5 skills such as Detection Pulse and Moa In short, scrapper must output more damage than it used to in order to regain the health it lost. However, at the same time it also lost some serious damage-dealing traits and some powerful F5 skills. It can theoretically generate more barrier and stuns, but it remains to be seen how helpful that is, considering how much more vulnerable it is to bursts now. Yeah I hear ya. I'm not trying to make solid ultra statements here. I'm just saying that I think people are seriously underestimating how much barrier is going to be returned when a Scrapper is in a team fight wearing Demolisher or something, getting AoE cleaves on 3+ players. As you said, to return 3000 health as a barrier, you'd need to deal about 20,000 damage. Thing is, that's pretty easy to do when 2 or 3 people are balled up together on a node and if the Scrapper was running a DPS amulet. Even running Knight's, would still yield sizable frequent barriers if the Scrapper was 1v2. Anet didn't specifically mention anything about a CD on this specific trait, so if it has no CD, there will be a lot of room to toy with Scrapper DPS builds that will be surprisingly sustainy for those who are good at maintaining pressure. I think this change to Scrapper is just going to make & break the difference between good players and bad players. It won't be so easy to roll around and 100% defensive bunk a side node anymore for mid to low tiers. Good Scrappers on the other hand, are still going to be difficult to kill, and actually dangerous with more frequent and elongated dazes, and a lot more damage. I'm actually excited to try it tbh. As soon as the patch hits, I'll be rolling a DPS Scrapper. See how it works. Yeah it was terrible. Completely wrong to have been hopeful about this.Told ya. :tongue: The only thing scrapper seems to be good for now is gimmick builds. Or, as they say in the biz, "meme" builds. Try this crap, maybe you'll have fun with it. -- shrug --

Holo took a hard hit in PvE for no particular reason. I don't see exactly why they felt it would hurt PvP. Scrapper took a turn... for the weird? It seems like gimmick builds are the way to go, rather than actually being a tank or bruiser.

hehe Ninja Plumber "Surprise Mechanic"

I have a hammer variant I HIGHLY recommend trying if only for the lulz. It's incredibly amusing to turn a "tank" spec into a bursting monstrosity. I'm regularly hitting 8k on electro-whirl, 3-5k on autoattack crits, and 3-5k on rocket leap. HammerSigil of Enhancement + Sigil of Purging (up for better options)Seeker AmmyRune of Strength Healing Turret - Elixir U - Elixir B - Elixir S - Sneak Gyro Alch 2-2-1Explosives 2-2-1Scrapper 3-3-3 Use stealth liberally to pop out of nowhere and smack people. If they run, use throw elixir U or one of your combos from sneak gyro/heal turret. You can also use the function gyro field too. This thing is goofy as hell, but I am surprising a lot of people.

Ok, played 2-3 matches. It's still very much played like a meme build, but it can be really hilarious to burst out of stealth with an 8k electro-whirl (on hammer) with 3-4k crit autoattacks. I don't think anybody worth their salt would run this competitively, but it is absolutely hilarious -- constant super speed, stealth, and massive bursts. The downside is that condi will eat you alive.

My thoughts: Seeker Ammy/Zerk AmmyRune of StrengthSigil of Separation + Sigil of EnhancementThese traits Consider minesweeper and a different sigil for hammer buildsScrapper is the better choice for this build for 3 reasons: Sneak gyro, Mass Momentum, Applied Force.

Unfortunately the build editor also doesn't have the new skills. I need to toy around with this patch to try it out.

Prot holo is generally better at this.

Yeah, drunk scrapper is pretty silly, and @Ivantreil.3092 invented it. I suspect this change may make it stronger than it's been in a while, but I could also be wrong.

Honest question... why would a condi engineer be running scrapper in the first place? Scrapper is generally tankier than core engi. Condi engi relies on victory through attrition, so it needs to burst condis, then survive while those condis tick.

I think you misread a lot of what happened to scrapper, allow me to explain: -300 vit minor trait. All scrappers are down 3000 health now, equivalent to guardian/ele base health.15% of outgoing strike damage (I presume this means power damage) is returned as barrier. This means that in order to recover 3000 health, the scrapper needs to deal 20,000 damage. This damage doesn't include condi as far as I can tell.Old function gyro worked every 10 seconds at 900 range. New function gyro works every 30 seconds at 600 range (+15s per additional f-gyro spawned). This is roughly equivalent to the warrior elite banner but on a shorter cooldown and shorter radius, and works more slowly (f-gyros need to cast, not instantaneous like banner). F-gyros should all still be cleavable/cc-able.Object in Motion comes at the expense of perfectly weighted and another damage boost. Overall, it's actually a decrease in damage.Rapid Regen was removed -- significantly lowering scrapper's ability to survive and heal. It also hurts healer builds using MDF.The increase in stun/daze brings finishers up to closer to 1.5 seconds instead of 1 second. It's stronger, but not that much stronger.Adaptive armor's effect is weaker, it only boosts barrier you gain now.The new function gyro prevents access to F5 skills such as Detection Pulse and MoaIn short, scrapper must output more damage than it used to in order to regain the health it lost. However, at the same time it also lost some serious damage-dealing traits and some powerful F5 skills. It can theoretically generate more barrier and stuns, but it remains to be seen how helpful that is, considering how much more vulnerable it is to bursts now.

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this specific change for multiple reasons: It shoehorns scrapper into power damage. "Outgoing strike damage" almost always means power damage packets, not condi damage. If you want diversity in scrapper builds, this will have the exact opposite effect.It harms support scrapper builds -- specifically healing scrapper builds. These builds rarely put out damage -- making them significantly more vulnerable to damage in general. These builds also tend to use condi damage for their damage.300 vitality = 3000 health. In order to get that back in the form of barrier (at a rate of 15%), you would need to do 20,000 damage. In most realistic PvP scenarios, this would be difficult to acquire within the period of time that a burst class could kill you. 15% is reasonable for PvE, but not competitive formats.You just nerfed scrapper's damage output overall. It doesn't have the kind of burst berserker does. How is it supposed to make up the 20k damage difference?

This bug fix is fine. What "almost all other classes" have auto attack fast moving projectiles that track? Also it pierces and is the highest damage Rifle auto attack out of the 3 Rifle users. Your outrage at this is beyond comprehension. It wasn't a bug.It was an autoattack. None of our 2-5 skills had tracking.It has significantly less range and doesn't travel as fast as longbow arrows. The damage isn't out of this world -- it's plinking damage. Yes, it was an autoattack, which is why I specifically mentioned auto attack in my reply. Are you aware that almost zero (if not actually zero) other professions have 1-5 projectile skills that track? It certainly says it was a bug in the patch notes, and I'm far more inclined to believe the game developers over a typical player in that regard. You can have the bug back as soon as they give the same bug to Warriors and Deadeyes, okay? Actually, they do. The difference is in how they track. I was bored so I messed around with some golems in the PvP lobby. Longbow arrows fly farther and faster than rifle projectiles do, and they can be way off-target and still count as a hit. Rifle projectiles don't get that luxury, but it seemed like engineer rifle had less forgiveness compared to warrior rifle. I didn't bother with deadeye rifle, so I leave that decision to you.Actually no, they don't. Engi rifle only has 1 skill that can compare to the 1 thru 5 skills of Warrior and DE Rifle and that's the auto attack (I believe Overcharged Shot projectile speed is much faster) - which makes the engi the one that has a far more forgiving skill because, before the upcoming patch, it tracks. Ranger longbow arrows fire faster. Warrior and DH do not. Further? Yes, but nobody was disputing that. Contrary to your claim, rifle shots are actually more reliable in terms of hitting strafing targets than Warrior and DH longbow. Yes, but they also called the net shot firing backwards a bug. Not long ago they said it was supposed to fire backwards. I'm not sure I trust their track record on "bugs"Sure, net shot release notes have been contradictory. But it is not comparable to Hip Shot, as no other rifle attacks worked like that, and they have no previous notes regarding this. I am discussing Hip Shot, not Net Shot So your method of balance is "If I can't have it, nobody can?" Strange policy, but you do you.What is your reasoning that one auto attack should have this, while the other two cannot? I guarantee it's not anything better than my request for uniform mechanics. Congratulations, you've won an internet! I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about, or why it's such a big deal to you. So I'm just going to leave this here. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to be able to admit you are wrong when proven so, and you resort to abandoning the conversation in such a manner. Please avoid such hostile reactions when the person you are talking to is not being hostile.I've learned long ago that arguing on the internet is about as effective as pissing into the wind. You're just going to get wet and cold. If you interpreted my response as hostile, my apologies. Not my intention. But it's kind of obvious I won't be able to convince you. It's better to just leave it alone.

Guess it's time to devolve to the core version? Yikes Perish the thought. It would be a sad outcome, Holo has a few rather good Burn skills that supplement core condi really well. I'd hate to leave behind a spec I grew to love, but I will if it comes to that, as I'm sure many others will. What condi Holo Build are you running that makes you overheat 100% of the time? I would think you'd want to avoid overheating at ALL TIMES unless you were trying to go all in for a win....? Personally, the changes are interesting. I can't speak to how bad or good they are until I test it. I have learned to manage my heat when using Holo now so the overheat change doesn't bother me (and I use ECSU trait as well). The Scrapper change makes me think there will be only one major way of playing bunker Scrapper if they do not allow condi damage to tick up the Barrier count. I'm taking the wait and see approach. Meta condi builds run solar focusing lens and photonic blasting module. For PvE or PvP? Also I guess you could use your toolbelt skills BEFORE overloading then? In that case you may discover a bug that resets all your toobelt skills after the overload clears hehehehehe.PvE. Condi engi isn't particularly viable in PvP.

Guess it's time to devolve to the core version? Yikes Perish the thought. It would be a sad outcome, Holo has a few rather good Burn skills that supplement core condi really well. I'd hate to leave behind a spec I grew to love, but I will if it comes to that, as I'm sure many others will. What condi Holo Build are you running that makes you overheat 100% of the time? I would think you'd want to avoid overheating at ALL TIMES unless you were trying to go all in for a win....? Personally, the changes are interesting. I can't speak to how bad or good they are until I test it. I have learned to manage my heat when using Holo now so the overheat change doesn't bother me (and I use ECSU trait as well). The Scrapper change makes me think there will be only one major way of playing bunker Scrapper if they do not allow condi damage to tick up the Barrier count. I'm taking the wait and see approach.Meta condi builds run solar focusing lens and photonic blasting module.

This bug fix is fine. What "almost all other classes" have auto attack fast moving projectiles that track? Also it pierces and is the highest damage Rifle auto attack out of the 3 Rifle users. Your outrage at this is beyond comprehension. It wasn't a bug.It was an autoattack. None of our 2-5 skills had tracking.It has significantly less range and doesn't travel as fast as longbow arrows. The damage isn't out of this world -- it's plinking damage. Yes, it was an autoattack, which is why I specifically mentioned auto attack in my reply. Are you aware that almost zero (if not actually zero) other professions have 1-5 projectile skills that track? It certainly says it was a bug in the patch notes, and I'm far more inclined to believe the game developers over a typical player in that regard. You can have the bug back as soon as they give the same bug to Warriors and Deadeyes, okay? Actually, they do. The difference is in how they track. I was bored so I messed around with some golems in the PvP lobby. Longbow arrows fly farther and faster than rifle projectiles do, and they can be way off-target and still count as a hit. Rifle projectiles don't get that luxury, but it seemed like engineer rifle had less forgiveness compared to warrior rifle. I didn't bother with deadeye rifle, so I leave that decision to you.Actually no, they don't. Engi rifle only has 1 skill that can compare to the 1 thru 5 skills of Warrior and DE Rifle and that's the auto attack (I believe Overcharged Shot projectile speed is much faster) - which makes the engi the one that has a far more forgiving skill because, before the upcoming patch, it tracks. Ranger longbow arrows fire faster. Warrior and DH do not. Further? Yes, but nobody was disputing that. Contrary to your claim, rifle shots are actually more reliable in terms of hitting strafing targets than Warrior and DH longbow. Yes, but they also called the net shot firing backwards a bug. Not long ago they said it was supposed to fire backwards. I'm not sure I trust their track record on "bugs"Sure, net shot release notes have been contradictory. But it is not comparable to Hip Shot, as no other rifle attacks worked like that, and they have no previous notes regarding this. I am discussing Hip Shot, not Net Shot So your method of balance is "If I can't have it, nobody can?" Strange policy, but you do you.What is your reasoning that one auto attack should have this, while the other two cannot? I guarantee it's not anything better than my request for uniform mechanics.Congratulations, you've won an internet! I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about, or why it's such a big deal to you. So I'm just going to leave this here.

This bug fix is fine. What "almost all other classes" have auto attack fast moving projectiles that track? Also it pierces and is the highest damage Rifle auto attack out of the 3 Rifle users. Your outrage at this is beyond comprehension. It wasn't a bug.It was an autoattack. None of our 2-5 skills had tracking.It has significantly less range and doesn't travel as fast as longbow arrows. The damage isn't out of this world -- it's plinking damage. Yes, it was an autoattack, which is why I specifically mentioned auto attack in my reply. Are you aware that almost zero (if not actually zero) other professions have 1-5 projectile skills that track? It certainly says it was a bug in the patch notes, and I'm far more inclined to believe the game developers over a typical player in that regard. You can have the bug back as soon as they give the same bug to Warriors and Deadeyes, okay?Actually, they do. The difference is in how they track. I was bored so I messed around with some golems in the PvP lobby. Longbow arrows fly farther and faster than rifle projectiles do, and they can be way off-target and still count as a hit. Rifle projectiles don't get that luxury, but it seemed like engineer rifle had less forgiveness compared to warrior rifle. I didn't bother with deadeye rifle, so I leave that decision to you. Completely untrue when it comes to tracking. Generally speaking rifle and rifle like projectiles have superior tracking to longbow arrows, especially when it comes to side strafing. The one exception may be Ranger LB. Interesting. I'm curious how ranger LB compares to engi rifle then. I think they meant overheat.

This bug fix is fine. What "almost all other classes" have auto attack fast moving projectiles that track? Also it pierces and is the highest damage Rifle auto attack out of the 3 Rifle users. Your outrage at this is beyond comprehension. It wasn't a bug.It was an autoattack. None of our 2-5 skills had tracking.It has significantly less range and doesn't travel as fast as longbow arrows. The damage isn't out of this world -- it's plinking damage. Yes, it was an autoattack, which is why I specifically mentioned auto attack in my reply. Are you aware that almost zero (if not actually zero) other professions have 1-5 projectile skills that track? It certainly says it was a bug in the patch notes, and I'm far more inclined to believe the game developers over a typical player in that regard. You can have the bug back as soon as they give the same bug to Warriors and Deadeyes, okay?Actually, they do. The difference is in how they track. I was bored so I messed around with some golems in the PvP lobby. Longbow arrows fly farther and faster than rifle projectiles do, and they can be way off-target and still count as a hit. Rifle projectiles don't get that luxury, but it seemed like engineer rifle had less forgiveness compared to warrior rifle. I didn't bother with deadeye rifle, so I leave that decision to you.Yes, but they also called the net shot firing backwards a bug. Not long ago they said it was supposed to fire backwards. I'm not sure I trust their track record on "bugs"So your method of balance is "If I can't have it, nobody can?" Strange policy, but you do you.

This bug fix is fine. What "almost all other classes" have auto attack fast moving projectiles that track? Also it pierces and is the highest damage Rifle auto attack out of the 3 Rifle users. Your outrage at this is beyond comprehension. It wasn't a bug.It was an autoattack. None of our 2-5 skills had tracking.It has significantly less range and doesn't travel as fast as longbow arrows. The damage isn't out of this world -- it's plinking damage. The thing that bugs me is that scrapper hammer puts you in a relatively fragile position. It doesn't deal well with ranged AT ALL, and such a nerf leaves scrappers even more vulnerable to deadeyes, rangers, and scourges. These were enemies that scrapper already had a hard time dealing with. If you need to do damage to get barrier, then you need to be in range. Hammer has not proven itself to be very good at range. I think the barrier on hit, plus +200 power with quickness, plus all the added stability potentially make drunk scrapper very dangerous again.

My thoughts on the matter: Toolbelt skillsSay bye bye to detection pulse (Gyro F5 skill)! Our only reveal will now be our Lock On trait. Analysis from Utility goggles won't be used.Also say goodbye to F5 toolbelt skills in general - now core is the only one that can access them, making them less relevant than before.Disabling toolbelt skills on overheat will hurt PvE DPS builds that rely on Photonic Blasting ModuleRifle ChangesBlunderbuss is now respecting LOS? It's been 7 years, and it's a problem now? Consider my mind boggled.Hip shot nerf is beyond comprehension. It was the only skill on rifle that tracked targets, and almost all other classes get skills that track. Now, people will be able to strafe left and right and avoid rifle even more.Net shot nerf is reverting something they added not that long ago. Don't label it as a bug when you specifically introduced the ability to fire it behind us.Many engineer MH weapons are weak as-is. They're making one of our more important ones even weaker.Holo ChangesLaser's Edge/ECSU change seems theoretically interesting. Here's a protip though ANet: Make ECSU affect Exceed skills.Scrapper ChangesBulwark gyro change is what I wanted. Good.Function gyro improvements are appreciated. It will be more useful in WvW and PvE now.Changes to scrapper traits seem to leave healing scrapper intact, although the toolbelt change hurts healing scrappers. Impact Savant Change is interesting. We'll need to experiment with it to see what happens now.I'm not sure how Damage Dampener will fit into any build besides healer, but maybe my thinking is limited.Object in Motion seems too conditional.Applied Force buff makes quickness scrappers look real dangerous. We might see gimmick builds like the drunk scrapper reappear.Other ChangesElixir X change is fine. The world needs less Rampage.What Didn't ChangeThrow Elixir S is the sameHealing Turret is the samePhoton Forge is mostly unaffected -- Rifle got nerfs instead.No real improvements to core besides blowtorch

I thought the new inquest chair was pretty cool, so I tried to buy some gems. I keep getting an unspecified error no matter what I try. Logging in/out doesn't resolve. Help?