Ominous event and plants in old kaineng

[Kayberz.5346]

I haven't seen anyone mention this anywhere but there is an event and location in old kaineng ruins that im like 90% sure is hinting at future story

I was just wandering around and stumbled into this event towards the end so i dont know the full context but basically there was some ministry security with detective aimi fighting unchained near an obelisk titled "orrian corruption" but then they are wondering what it is and one of them talks about hearing stories about old relics washing up after the zhaitan disaster.  Just then some human npc named "Janin" comes (noticeably not undead, or risen-esque in appearance) and starts saying some ominous stuff.

"I am the end. My blood boils beneath the earth"

"Foolish children, naive and ignorant.  Die at my hand, feed the nest."

You kill her and thats pretty much it.

Now, in the area where all this takes place , which is just southeast of the vista there are these wierd "plants" everywhere that look like some eldritch horror stuff, all black/grey and almost flesh like, with vines that appear to be coursing with blue ley line energy, they have these wierd pods, some of which are open to reveal a pink glow inside, kinda lke some black octovine mordrem flower but....different. 

This doesn't seem to be directly related to zhaitan or the dragonvoid, but of orr itself maybe?, I strongly suspect that this event is a hint of a future story plot point and antagonist.

Has anyone else seen something similar anywhere else? Am i missing something here?

Edited March 17, 2022 by Kayberz.5346

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

6 hours ago, Kayberz.5346 said:

 Just then some human npc named "Janin" comes (noticeably not undead, or risen-esque in appearance) and starts saying some ominous stuff.

There's some books somewhere in old kaineng that talks about Janin. She's a purist who was tasked by their leader White Falcon to investigate Raisu Palace and see if they can rile up the risen to wipe out New Kaineng City.

6 hours ago, Kayberz.5346 said:

Now, in the area where all this takes place , which is just southeast of the vista there are these wierd "plants" everywhere that look like some eldritch horror stuff, all black/grey and almost flesh like, with vines that appear to be coursing with blue ley line energy, they have these wierd pods, some of which are open to reveal a pink glow inside, kinda lke some black octovine mordrem flower but....different. 

This is very weird thing. I noticed them too.

Most of what you see is just typical Orrian flora. It's a mixture of land plants covered in coral then corrupted by Zhaitan. You can find the stuff throughout Orr.

What's weird, however, is the blue-glow plants. In Orr, those were a Pact invention that mixed asura magitech, sylvari vine magic, and the Blue Orb powering the Alseta Generator. If you go back to Orr, you can find them being used as defenses for many of the Pact encampments, including Fort Trinity which lacks any kind of Zhaitan corruption or coral.

[Rhywolver.8250]

There is definitely more about Janin. It seems she was spying on the Aetherblades. There are a few more letters, one even from Ankka.

 

But wasn't Janin a Risen? Somehow I had the feeling that Ankka found out that Janin was a Purist Spy and maybe killed and raised her. At least that's what I got from reading letters and recordings from Ankka.

[Zola.6197]

I could have sworn she looked Risen.

[Kalavier.1097]

Is Risen during event, was purist before. Is my take. I haven't found all the letters yet personally.

[Subli.8217]

On 3/17/2022 at 7:24 AM, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

What's weird, however, is the blue-glow plants. In Orr, those were a Pact invention that mixed asura magitech, sylvari vine magic, and the Blue Orb powering the Alseta Generator.

I noticed that too. Why the heck would Pact's architecture be in Old Kaineng? This must be some kind of mistake.

[Trejgon.9367]

On 3/18/2022 at 10:58 PM, Sublimatio.6981 said:

I noticed that too. Why the heck would Pact's architecture be in Old Kaineng? This must be some kind of mistake.

because orb powering Alseta Generator (and the blueish energy in pact architecture in orr following) is "mysterious" orb we steal from krait, and that orb repells zhaitans influence - stuff that dies near the orb, stays dead.

Kaineng introduce us to the concept that ther was in fact more of those orbs, gave us their name, and tied then to DSD.

As for blue glowing plants in the area - is it not impossible for them to be byproduct of exposure to orbs magic over prolonged period of time. Just because we see pact trying to replicate the effect first, does not mean it couldn't occur by itself (or with help of someone else) in place with more of those orbs.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

14 hours ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said:

because orb powering Alseta Generator (and the blueish energy in pact architecture in orr following) is "mysterious" orb we steal from krait, and that orb repells zhaitans influence - stuff that dies near the orb, stays dead.

Kaineng introduce us to the concept that ther was in fact more of those orbs, gave us their name, and tied then to DSD.

As for blue glowing plants in the area - is it not impossible for them to be byproduct of exposure to orbs magic over prolonged period of time. Just because we see pact trying to replicate the effect first, does not mean it couldn't occur by itself (or with help of someone else) in place with more of those orbs.

The "blue glowing plants" were established as sylvari magic mixing with asura magitech.

The whole idea of the Pact is that every race added their own thing and they got mixed together. Sylvari brought their plant magic, and that was the most noticeable outcome.

Kaineng might have Eyes of the Ocean, but it has no sylvari.

[Sylvi.8372]

19 hours ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

The "blue glowing plants" were established as sylvari magic mixing with asura magitech.

The whole idea of the Pact is that every race added their own thing and they got mixed together. Sylvari brought their plant magic, and that was the most noticeable outcome.

Kaineng might have Eyes of the Ocean, but it has no sylvari.

 

Considering where Sylvari came from, others that use (or came from) dragon magic could do similar things?

The Canthans never saw Asura Magitech, but they were able to come up with Jade Tech.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Chrysline.2317

[Kalavier.1097]

19 hours ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

The "blue glowing plants" were established as sylvari magic mixing with asura magitech.

The whole idea of the Pact is that every race added their own thing and they got mixed together. Sylvari brought their plant magic, and that was the most noticeable outcome.

Kaineng might have Eyes of the Ocean, but it has no sylvari.

 

There is the Sylvari mesmer for the spec npc, oddly enough. Who seems to imply he's been there longer then the Commander has.

 

22 minutes ago, Chrysline.2317 said:

 

Considering where Sylvari came from, others that use (or came from) dragon magic could do similar things?

The Canthans never saw Asura Magitech, but they were able to come up with Jade Tech.

 

It sounds like Joon had traveled some, or at least had relics/items collected from central Tyria. She did have an Asura science journal. But yeah, they managed to develop something roughly equal in most aspects to Asura tech.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

7 hours ago, Chrysline.2317 said:

Considering where Sylvari came from, others that use (or came from) dragon magic could do similar things?

The Canthans never saw Asura Magitech, but they were able to come up with Jade Tech.

Well, no one else has shown to use sylvari vines yet. Not even wardens. And there's no generator hooked up to these vines - they're just smack dab in the middle of Zhaitan corrupted corals, which implies it's been tainted by Zhaitan's corruption for a lengthy period of time (if not washed in by the Zhaitan Disaster tsunami).

Hard to say with zero dialogue about it, but it is weird and very controversial all the same. Wouldn't surprise me if it was added by a dev who is new and didn't factcheck and just grabbed some Orrian assets.

6 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

There is the Sylvari mesmer for the spec npc, oddly enough. Who seems to imply he's been there longer then the Commander has.

Keeping mind that sylvari are still individually very young, and Caithe even comments on how sylvari treat a short time for other races as a lifetime for them. That sylvari acting as if they'd been around for months when they were around for weeks isn't entirely out of character.

But it is indeed still weird.

[Kalavier.1097]

10 hours ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

Keeping mind that sylvari are still individually very young, and Caithe even comments on how sylvari treat a short time for other races as a lifetime for them. That sylvari acting as if they'd been around for months when they were around for weeks isn't entirely out of character.

But it is indeed still weird.

 

Yeah the Sylvari doesn't really give a timetable for how long they had been there, but definitely had been there a while before the commander had if the Mesmer spec is native to cantha.

 

A ponder I had just now, as a very out there/tinfoil hat kinda thing for those vines. What if a Sylvari/pact member found the corruption and tried to use the vines to isolate it? I only recall seeing the vines directly around the corrupted obelisk.

 

There is a necromancer in that area (not the Harbringer npc) named Sice who comments on the magic/power of the place compared to Orr.

[Trejgon.9367]

1 hour ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

Yeah the Sylvari doesn't really give a timetable for how long they had been there, but definitely had been there a while before the commander had if the Mesmer spec is native to cantha.

Well that sylvari could have arrived later than commander, as between our arrival, and our recovery and release from prison, cantha manages to sent out delegation to DR, open diplomatic channels, DR manages to sent ambassador with entourage, and even snargle goldclaw manages to get his butt into cantha, which leaves quite comfy window between cantha opening borders, and us being able to actually talk to that sylvari where she could arrive and still be there for "quite a while", during conversation.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

10 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

Yeah the Sylvari doesn't really give a timetable for how long they had been there, but definitely had been there a while before the commander had if the Mesmer spec is native to cantha.

Not necessarily. The Commander was canonically out of commission for what seems to be at least two weeks. Enough time for Cantha to head to Tyria by boat, and Tyrians to show up in Cantha. That's quite some time.

This sylvari could have been among the first Tyrians to show up, and instantly take up to Virtuoso teachings.

It still is a weird way of talking for the sylvari to be talking though. And it is also possible this sylvari was that one sylvari who joined the Zephyrites in Bazaar of the Four Winds, before the Zephyrites visited what's very heavily implied to be Cantha (though EoD claims no contact until the Commander's crash landing, the Zephyrite decorations are seen in Shing Jea so I'm dubious of that claim); though they showed up again in Festival of the Four Winds 2014 so perhaps not (unless they returned to Cantha to continue training with the others?).

10 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

A ponder I had just now, as a very out there/tinfoil hat kinda thing for those vines. What if a Sylvari/pact member found the corruption and tried to use the vines to isolate it? I only recall seeing the vines directly around the corrupted obelisk.

Not sure which corrupted obelisk you're referring to. There wasn't one at the spot where I found vines, next to corrupted coral and a tree (quite possibly .

[Kalavier.1097]

24 minutes ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

Not necessarily. The Commander was canonically out of commission for what seems to be at least two weeks. Enough time for Cantha to head to Tyria by boat, and Tyrians to show up in Cantha. That's quite some time.

This sylvari could have been among the first Tyrians to show up, and instantly take up to Virtuoso teachings.

It still is a weird way of talking for the sylvari to be talking though. And it is also possible this sylvari was that one sylvari who joined the Zephyrites in Bazaar of the Four Winds, before the Zephyrites visited what's very heavily implied to be Cantha (though EoD claims no contact until the Commander's crash landing, the Zephyrite decorations are seen in Shing Jea so I'm dubious of that claim); though they showed up again in Festival of the Four Winds 2014 so perhaps not (unless they returned to Cantha to continue training with the others?).

 

 

Actually, there are several indications the Zephryites freely came and went from Cantha. The raptor stablemaster in Kaineng outright says that they smuggled raptors into Cantha (hence why Cantha has the raptors). In Arborstone when it's maxed there is an old man meeting another man and a child. He's the great-uncle of the child, who "Left cantha in a flying ship long ago to travel the world." and returned now that the desire is complete.

 

36 minutes ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

Not sure which corrupted obelisk you're referring to. There wasn't one at the spot where I found vines, next to corrupted coral and a tree (quite possibly .

 

During the event to escort the Canthan squad into the ruins, there is "Orrian corruption" which is a big stone artifact in the middle of the clearing. Same spot that named Risen comes out from as an event boss.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

2 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

Actually, there are several indications the Zephryites freely came and went from Cantha. The raptor stablemaster in Kaineng outright says that they smuggled raptors into Cantha (hence why Cantha has the raptors).

I do recall raptors being imported from Elona, but I don't recall mention of Zephyrite though. I interpreted it as being from when the Elonians showed up, since the "Zephyrite Handler" NPCs for raptor taxis in the shing jea streams got replaced completely with native looking raptor skins and Canthan handlers.

2 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

In Arborstone when it's maxed there is an old man meeting another man and a child. He's the great-uncle of the child, who "Left cantha in a flying ship long ago to travel the world." and returned now that the desire is complete.

Well, we knew that some Zephyrites were originally Cantha. But that... is a lore contradiction. Zephyrites didn't get airships until after Glint's death, in 1320 AE. It was the magic born from her corpse's crystals that established the aspects. Before then, they were situated in Crystal Oasis - the now abandoned village that refugees of the Forged make use of in Path of Fire.

2 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

During the event to escort the Canthan squad into the ruins, there is "Orrian corruption" which is a big stone artifact in the middle of the clearing. Same spot that named Risen comes out from as an event boss.

Hmm, I'll need to stick around for that event then. But the vines I saw were on walls so I doubt the two are directly related.

[Kalavier.1097]

On the raptors, the Tengu's dialogue is this. https://i.imgur.com/FampxvV.jpg

About the other, managed to run into it while the escort was active. https://i.imgur.com/3PyWAl6.jpg During the escort/battle it's selectable as "Orrian corruption."

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

Hmm, that is the same spot I recall. But definitely feels like an oversight to use sylvari vines imbued with asura magitech powered by the krait orb as "Zhaitan corruption"...

And if those vines aren't meant to be sylvari+asura+krait orb magic as very, very heavily implied, then why are they found almost exclusively in or around pact encampments, and not elsewhere in Orr...

Edited March 24, 2022 by Konig Des Todes.2086

[Kalavier.1097]

1 hour ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

Hmm, that is the same spot I recall. But definitely feels like an oversight to use sylvari vines imbued with asura magitech powered by the krait orb as "Zhaitan corruption"...

And if those vines aren't meant to be sylvari+asura+krait orb magic as very, very heavily implied, then why are they found almost exclusively in or around pact encampments, and not elsewhere in Orr...

 

Is why I said as a weird theory, the stone obelisk is listed as the corruption, and in the event you smash it (Leading to the named Risen emerging out and being a boss). Maybe some Sylvari/other race pact members (or former pact members), heard about the Risen problem in Kaineng, went out to try to help stop the flow resulting in those vines appearing only in what appears to be the heaviest corruption location in the part of old Kaineng we have access to?

[TeeracK.3601]

Trahearne infused Caladbolg  into the heart of orr to counter Zhaitan's corruption, and that sword was linked to his soul. Now were seeing all this pact tech like risen corruptions??? Coincidence!? I THINK NOT! Grand Risen Marshal Traherene coming in hot!