Power revenant is too weak in pve

[Susi Musi.2964]

Yeah, about rev's CC capabilities. If you want some, you are FORCED to take staff only for skill 5, then you are locked there for 9 secs. Pretty nasty.

[Shao.7236]

On 10/18/2024 at 12:44 AM, Susi Musi.2964 said:

Yeah, about rev's CC capabilities. If you want some, you are FORCED to take staff only for skill 5, then you are locked there for 9 secs. Pretty nasty.

Isn't Staff despite being "somewhat" weaker have a lot of hits to combine per second with Quickness and IO with though? It's delivery faster than Rift Slash too. In fact Staff probably has the most hits per second. So feels like that's a bit unjust to call it that weak.

[Susi Musi.2964]

Well you just pointed out  things.

1. without additional support from IO, staff is useless (and what if you arr not in shiro?)

2. Beside IO, shiro is also a deadweight if you consider its other skills (talking about pve)

[Susi Musi.2964]

Personally i would love to see the next expansion "big thing" to be additional utility skills for every class instead of another weapon🙄 (giving the missing skills for each class skill type: eg.: warrior elite shout etc.) and giving revenant 1 extra utility skill for each legend to be swappable and make it more diverse. (And +1 elite skill/legend would be the cherry on top, but that probaly would be asking to much)

[Shao.7236]

9 minutes ago, Susi Musi.2964 said:

Well you just pointed out  things.

1. without additional support from IO, staff is useless (and what if you arr not in shiro?)

2. Beside IO, shiro is also a deadweight if you consider its other skills (talking about pve)

Well Staff never was meant to be that good since it provides sustain but the fact it can be a beast that can nearly rival the other options using the same tool said other options have is a good tie breaker, if you just want damage and CC, have Sw/Sw + Sw/Axe. It's obviously not Staff level of CC but it's still CC no less. Gotta have to make a compromise at some point, can't have the best for everything at all times.

If you want to deal good power damage you're obviously going to be Shiro by default. It's a mistake to gear up for power and not be Shiro, if you want to keep your power damage up you'd pair it with Renegade for Soulcleave which is a less aggressive yet team oriented Impossible Odds equivalent, that's useful and not deadweight to other around you. (Fun fact being it used to have no cooldown intervals so people with stuff like the Flamethrower on Engineer could do funny multi-hits on it.)

Arguably Shiro is more of a PvP Legend (And complete with utility) by design and doesn't have much to compare like Archemorus with skills that are dedicated to damage and little utility which Viktor covers instead. The co-efficients on Nomad's advance are pretty wild for the small cost compared say Shiro, since Anet seems to be okay with that it's clear that Phase Traversal should get a bit of an increase, to the same if not at least closer to it.

And there's the obvious Shiro/Alliances that I'm sure without having to look is in the top tier whatever above everything else.

[MercurialKuroSludge.8974]

Power Alacrigade desperately needs help.
Its almost non-viable even in Fraggles anymore, and definitely not anywhere else.

[Jobber.6348]

3 hours ago, Shao.7236 said:

Isn't Staff despite being "somewhat" weaker have a lot of hits to combine per second with Quickness and IO with though? It's delivery faster than Rift Slash too. In fact Staff probably has the most hits per second. So feels like that's a bit unjust to call it that weak.

Forced movement + actual 50% nerf to SotM in PvE way back in 2016 made Staff rather unattractive. Then combine that with losing GS meaning more DPS loss. They did buff Forceful Persistence last year so that Heralds can "DPS" but we all know that's not enough to even compete with Death Drop. 

Answer is to probably grant Sword 4 and GS 4 bonus Defiance Break to Defiant foes. Staff is a solid heal weapon in PvE till today, I'd rather not be forced to take it as a DPS. 

Edited October 20 by Jobber.6348

[Kulvar.1239]

2 hours ago, Susi Musi.2964 said:

Well you just pointed out  things.

1. without additional support from IO, staff is useless (and what if you arr not in shiro?)

2. Beside IO, shiro is also a deadweight if you consider its other skills (talking about pve)

Staff was supposed to be the heal/support/utility weapon since it's Ventari themed. But scepter/shield is better at that.

[arazoth.7290]

7 hours ago, Kulvar.1239 said:

Staff was supposed to be the heal/support/utility weapon since it's Ventari themed. But scepter/shield is better at that.

and that says enough about staff since scepter is really bad design and just slapping higher numbers on it won't do it

[Shao.7236]

17 hours ago, Jobber.6348 said:

Forced movement + actual 50% nerf to SotM in PvE way back in 2016 made Staff rather unattractive. Then combine that with losing GS meaning more DPS loss. They did buff Forceful Persistence last year so that Heralds can "DPS" but we all know that's not enough to even compete with Death Drop. 

Blame PvP on the telegraph, where's the skill split? The damage though I've heard plenty that it was too much. The fact that it can CC this much though is arguably Anet choice to be funny about it, there's not a lot if any skills at all that let's you CC so many times at once, so it shouldn't be surprising that it is one of the strongest to this day, have to either make due to that fact or use the more "normal" kind of CC's.

Also Vindicator being better at anything is to no ones surprise. Bloated elite.

17 hours ago, Jobber.6348 said:

Answer is to probably grant Sword 4 and GS 4 bonus Defiance Break to Defiant foes. Staff is a solid heal weapon in PvE till today, I'd rather not be forced to take it as a DPS. 

But Sword 5 had a pull until it didn't and became Deathstrike with some soft CC till that was also removed, all they truly had to do is buff the damage on it rather than what we have now, much of the same can be said for removing the block on Sw 4.

Though GS is fine as it is, don't need more creep.

[Jobber.6348]

22 minutes ago, Shao.7236 said:

Though GS is fine as it is, don't need more creep.

I rather they unnerfed the damage in all modes. So unwarranted. Especially the random GS2 PvE nerf. What the heck was that even about? 2.0 to 1.6 nerf is ridiculously heavy handed for PvE of all things. 

Edited Monday at 05:31 PM by Jobber.6348

[LucianTheAngelic.7054]

The state of Revenant DPS builds is just poor right now. It currently sits at 25th and 28th best DPS build for PvE, with both Condi variants and Power variants doing about 42.5k. Unless the other 24 specs are lowered back down to around this level, both Condi and Power Rev need buffs to allow them to compete with other classes. This is factual, objective data