FlawlezZ.3178 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 to kick you out of stealth? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Can negate this by dropping target before casting since it's a targeted projectile. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loboling.5293 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, DeceiverX.8361 said: Can negate this by dropping target before casting since it's a targeted projectile. That's a neat trick, I'll have to try this. Does it still shoot a projectile, or is no damage dealt at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Loboling.5293 said: That's a neat trick, I'll have to try this. Does it still shoot a projectile, or is no damage dealt at all? It will partially show the animation for it, but it will not fire a projectile to my knowledge, as per most projectiles. MAYBE if used point-blank. You can keybind detargeting via "Lock autotarget" so long as you release the lock button immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verdict is Vengence.6912 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 20 hours ago, DeceiverX.8361 said: MAYBE if used point-blank. I've been kicked out of stealth by using rifle 4 too close to target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 There is a small benefit to how it's implemented, though: gives you Malice ticks when you use it to get out of melee. Occasionally comes in handy if you're playing an M7 build and you'd end up Initiative-starved otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vardeleanu.8972 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) so you can get 2 stacks of malice when you use it like you should if you're in stealth why are you even using anything besides the stealth attack Edited October 16, 2022 by vardeleanu.8972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vardeleanu.8972 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 8:27 PM, DeceiverX.8361 said: Can negate this by dropping target before casting since it's a targeted projectile. No you can not, and no it's not. The damaging attack is a 5 target melee hit, the projectile in the tooltip actually travels backward with/slightly before you to find the place it should put you at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, vardeleanu.8972 said: No you can not, and no it's not. The damaging attack is a 5 target melee hit, the projectile in the tooltip actually travels backward with/slightly before you to find the place it should put you at. Odd. In the few instances I've played Deadeye in the past, I've successfully been able to chain stealth via using this with kneel's smoke field by dropping target. Generally I'm not using it within melee range, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeceiverX.8361 said: Odd. In the few instances I've played Deadeye in the past, I've successfully been able to chain stealth via using this with kneel's smoke field by dropping target. Generally I'm not using it within melee range, though. I think you're both right. I can still stealth off of Snipers Cover with Death's Retreat even in melee range with a DR hit, and even double DR off of Cover and target for duration. If I come into range already in stealth then the DR hit will reveal me. Edited October 16, 2022 by kash.9213 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugglemonkey.8741 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) On 10/16/2022 at 5:40 AM, kash.9213 said: I think you're both right. I can still stealth off of Snipers Cover with Death's Retreat even in melee range with a DR hit, and even double DR off of Cover and target for duration. If I come into range already in stealth then the DR hit will reveal me. Kash is right. Think of death's retreat like heartseeker: it is a melee attack that moves you, is a leap so you can stealth, but if you're in stealth when you hit something with it the damage component will knock you out of stealth. The only difference really is that it's a backwards leap that looks and functions like a shadowstep when it comes to terrain. Edit: if you use predator, the projectile part of the skill is a lot easier to see too. Edited October 18, 2022 by Jugglemonkey.8741 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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