Do something about Baruch Bay

[GutterRat.1269]

7 hours ago, Khenzy.9348 said:

Baruch just has a few more people at night

lol, this is some kremlin spokesman level of kitten

[Sahne.6950]

On 11/17/2022 at 11:42 AM, Dayra.7405 said:

Alliances are on its slow way …

soon™️

[Sahne.6950]

24 minutes ago, msalakka.4653 said:

lol, this is some kremlin spokesman level of kitten

7 hours ago, Khenzy.9348 said:

Baruch just has a few more people at night

 

Baruch are performing military special operations at night.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Sahne.6950

[Mabi black.1824]

8 hours ago, Khenzy.9348 said:

Baruch just has a few more people at night but it's completely barren and outnumbered at the times I play. It's a server with different time peaks, it doesn't make it any better or worse than any other server, just different.

I can agree with what you say. But the point that is raised, is why do we have to have a server that never gets a link with the compromise of not having full state limits? because it is a Spanish server. So what? Spaniards will fill a server like any other and surplus Spaniards will enter another server like all the others.Then give them a link as well.

I'm Italian but there is no Italian server, so shouldn't I have fun with this game?

The same applies to the other two servers that do not get connected. but why do we have to deal with these problems in the EU? Personally I would have merged the smaller servers and I would have made sure that all the teams get a match, in short, I would have treated all the teams equally.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Mabi black.1824

[Dawdler.8521]

1 hour ago, Mabi black.1824 said:

I would have treated all the teams equally.

A merger is the opposite of that however. Its another server taking over your indentity and claiming it as their own. People crying server pride and whatnot might have issues.

[Karagee.6830]

19 hours ago, Khenzy.9348 said:

Funny how bitter you sound that you resort to make a generalization and call all Baruch players bad while also making an underhanded flex about you killing them while outnumbered, very petty and immature. Baruch has some extremely competent players.

 

Funny that at the times I play (noon and early afternoon) we (Baruch) are the ones always extremely outnumbered and I (a solo roamer) have 99,99% of my deaths while outnumbered and ganked 3 to 1 at a bare minimum.

 

Our perspectives seem to be diametrically opposed huh? Baruch just has a few more people at night but it's completely barren and outnumbered at the times I play. It's a server with different time peaks, it doesn't make it any better or worse than any other server, just different.

lol a 'few' more people, must be nice living in the nile wherever you are from. Explain what you see here:https://ibb.co/RcXGHw2. For your information I have some devs I spotted in the past in WvW which play at night and whom I asked to record PPT scores like 440-8-0 (BB being the 440), multiple times in the last 3 weeks and I invited to send those pictures to their bosses, so that it's clear to everyone what people are talking about when they talk about your numbers (which was not my point but here we are). As an anecdote: this week at 3am spanish time I am cataing my garri on my own, fully intending on capping it by myself. One of you comes, doesn't dare coming at me, so I pull him from the wall and kill him. 2 more come and they attack me. Killed them both also. 1 minute later a 35+ blob arrives. 3am CET. To kill one person lol. I still got 6+3 points and you got 0 out of it, which is why you can't win with equal numbers and you need a link to learn from, but THIS is how you operate.

There is a reason why we start our matches with a 1.8-1.9 kdr and you at 0.5-0.6 and then, lo and behold, we are at 1.2 at the end of the week. There is also a reason why despite your numbers you can't manage a kdr close to 1 in any match, even the ones you win, and you can't beat teams that are close to you in numbers.

BB is the worst server on EU skill wise. Just take the link, accept being closed for the duration of it (because people can still join you through the linked server) and be grateful that the rest of us are merciful.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Karagee.6830

[Karagee.6830]

1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

A merger is the opposite of that however. Its another server taking over your indentity and claiming it as their own. People crying server pride and whatnot might have issues.

Who are these people? Let them speak for themselves, because most of the small servers have seen significant movements of people, so it would be very surprising if they do have any form of identity beyond their guilds.

But they could also just create 3 new empty servers with free transfers and give everyone a link. Also this excuse that because they are the only Spanish server they deserve to be an exception and never Full should really stop. If they bought into the alliance concept where player language will not factor at all in the world structure, there is no reason right now to make an exception for BB. Lock them, give them links once or twice a year like everyone else.

Before someone starts screaming alliances are coming so this is pointless, I don't wanna go down the rabbit hole of discussing how many years of 'alliances are coming' we've seen. Now it's been a very long time we've had betas for it, as well. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Karagee.6830

[Mabi black.1824]

39 minutes ago, Karagee.6830 said:

Before someone starts screaming alliances are coming so this is pointless, I don't wanna go down the rabbit hole of discussing how many years of 'alliances are coming' we've seen.

I also wrote to urge Anet to consider all the small changes they can grant while waiting for alliances, to improve the gaming experience, and to achieve something new while waiting for the hard work of alliances. Also because, for what I see around my server (I hope elsewhere is much better) is a good time to do it, it would help the wait and maybe we avoid that players move away from our favorite mode.

[Mabi black.1824]

1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

A merger is the opposite of that however. Its another server taking over your indentity and claiming it as their own. People crying server pride and whatnot might have issues.

I don't think so, when you merge them you keep all 2 names of the servers, so it will remain carved in stone from where all those fighters come. There is no dishonor in this. In my opinion it is a problem that does not exist, indeed all those players involved in a merger will be happy because they will finally have a more substantial team, and they will certainly become more competitive.

[Strider Pj.2193]

5 minutes ago, Mabi black.1824 said:

I don't think so, when you merge them you keep all 2 names of the servers, so it will remain carved in stone from where all those fighters come. There is no dishonor in this. In my opinion it is a problem that does not exist, indeed all those players involved in a merger will be happy because they will finally have a more substantial team, and they will certainly become more competitive.

It’s called World Restructuring.  

[Mabi black.1824]

41 minutes ago, Strider Pj.2193 said:

It’s called World Restructuring.  

If only it were true. I could finally rest assured. Finally we turn the page and get a better WVW.

[muerte.3842]

2 hours ago, Karagee.6830 said:

Who are these people? Let them speak for themselves, because most of the small servers have seen significant movements of people, so it would be very surprising if they do have any form of identity beyond their guilds.

But they could also just create 3 new empty servers with free transfers and give everyone a link. Also this excuse that because they are the only Spanish server they deserve to be an exception and never Full should really stop. If they bought into the alliance concept where player language will not factor at all in the world structure, there is no reason right now to make an exception for BB. Lock them, give them links once or twice a year like everyone else.

Before someone starts screaming alliances are coming so this is pointless, I don't wanna go down the rabbit hole of discussing how many years of 'alliances are coming' we've seen. Now it's been a very long time we've had betas for it, as well. 

 

I was on the other night with 1 other person, on EB trebbing our keep from Bravost, inside the keep were a few BB, next thing I know a full zone blob turns up at bravost to take the treb down and try and gank the 2 of us. This zone blob had ported from our home map (fully BB colour), ported to SM (T3 as we dont have numbers to flip it) just to come defend a paper keep.

 

The above has happend most nights in the last few weeks against them, attack somewhere with 1 or 2 people and a blob will show up to defend even though several BB are happy sitting around scouting in that structure and wont come out to fight.

 

They will chase you accross the map until you either get out of combat, run into a structure (if there is any left to get inside) or die with a full blob.

 

The worst thing about BB is that if the fight is not massively in their favour they will jump out of the structure and run away, to then try their luck at another structure before the enemy turns up. Rarely do they fight unless they are fighting you with supoerior numbers.

 

We laugh so much about this on discord etc all the time, its become such a massive joke BB running away.

 

BB really should be split into multiple servers allowing them to become links and therefore giving all servers a link each link reset.

[Xenesis.6389]

Gandara now wants another server closed, while crying on behalf of that server to also get a link, probably in hopes anet would also consider giving them a link in the process. It's the newly updated "open bg" strat. 🤭

The only joke around here is Gandara comes to the forums to cry about being full, having no link, outnumbered all day every day, no commanders to be seen, unjustly stuck in tier 5, while at the same time also admit to purposely tanking. Don't worry, relinks are next week, I'm sure you'll get a link again, and all your fair weathers will log back in, while you all pretend a medium server somehow fully ppt carries your server back to dominate tier 1, and brag about your roamer kdr that puts zerg servers to shame.

/mic drop

🙄

 

Quote

But they could also just create 3 new empty servers with free transfers and give everyone a link. 

They tried, players said no.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Hypothetically-Speaking-New-Worlds/6173458

[Karagee.6830]

12 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said:

Gandara now wants another server closed, while crying on behalf of that server to also get a link, probably in hopes anet would also consider giving them a link in the process. It's the newly updated "open bg" strat. 🤭

The only joke around here is Gandara comes to the forums to cry about being full, having no link, outnumbered all day every day, no commanders to be seen, unjustly stuck in tier 5, while at the same time also admit to purposely tanking. Don't worry, relinks are next week, I'm sure you'll get a link again, and all your fair weathers will log back in, while you all pretend a medium server somehow fully ppt carries your server back to dominate tier 1, and brag about your roamer kdr that puts zerg servers to shame.

/mic drop

🙄

 

They tried, players said no.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Hypothetically-Speaking-New-Worlds/6173458

Poor thing, you have been really owned hard by Gandarans haven't you? There are more positive ways to take out your frustrations.

I'm simply asking to normalise BB and treat them like everyone else. They will benefit the most since they can't fight to save their lives.

Also, Riverside has definitely fewer players than us. I have no problem admitting that. It's not hard to see and I tell it like it is both when we are outnumbered and when we outnumber.

Participation for servers without a link just plummets naturally, you don't have to tank. You have to tank, while despite this hard cold truth, you are still Full and unlinked for stretches of 6-8 months.

Now go cry somewhere else please.

[Xenesis.6389]

1 minute ago, Karagee.6830 said:

Poor thing, you have been really owned hard by Gandarans haven't you? There are more positive ways to take out your frustrations.

I'm simply asking to normalise BB and treat them like everyone else. They will benefit the most since they can't fight to save their lives.

Also, Riverside has definitely fewer players than us. I have no problem admitting that. It's not hard to see and I tell it like it is both when we are outnumbered and when we outnumber.

Participation for servers without a link just plummets naturally, you don't have to tank. You have to tank, while despite this hard cold truth, you are still Full and unlinked for stretches of 6-8 months.

Now go cry somewhere else please.

/slow clap

I play on NA, try again.

[Karagee.6830]

25 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said:

/slow clap

I play on NA, try again.

Right, so why don't you ask to have the same situation as EU? Go on make my day.

Note that the BB situation you are whining about, as usual, could be replicated for any other server. There is ZERO logical reason to treat one server in a different way than anyone else. IRRESPECTIVE of what players said, they could pick 2 servers, I don't care which ones, it can be any of Gandara, Desolation, SFR, Drakkar, Elona, AR, Piken, GH etc, and treat them the same way as BB. Never full, never linked. Their population would get close to BB and you'd have more balanced matches (participation-wise)

See how easy it is? They just need to manually open 2 servers at very high or high (until they reach a larger population similar to BB) and keep them that way.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Karagee.6830

[Xenesis.6389]

1 minute ago, Karagee.6830 said:

Note that the BB situation you are whining about, as usual

/travoltalooksaround

Pretty sure you started this thread....

And you are whining about BB....

Are you talking to your mirror right now?

🤡

 

[Karagee.6830]

28 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said:

/travoltalooksaround

Pretty sure you started this thread....

And you are whining about BB....

Are you talking to your mirror right now?

🤡

 

An attempt at deflection but unfortunately pretty mediocre! lmao

In any case you are wrong, someone didn't do too well in English literature. I'm not complaining about BB. They are highly farmable to the point of boredom. If they leave them like this they will keep being bad and they will keep getting farmed by both servers they outnumber and servers outnumbered by them. So treat them like everyone else. I didn't bring up population difference, that's a problem that is obvious to see, but it's people like you like who like talk about that. BB is a running joke on EU servers because they need to call a large blob to kill a few roamers, if they had a population similar to Riverside they would lose every match in a calendar year and I mean literally every week for 52 weeks they would come last in T5. In the past full BB 50 man squads were also known to run away at the first sight of much smaller enemy blobs (and that was a much smarter tactic, I must say). So yeah, I don't think closing them is a viable long-term solution. And asking the devs have a good look at this situation and that they are treated the same way as everyone else is not complaining or whining. What's the worst that could happen anyway? They may have similar numbers as the stackatron, but in their case it would make absolutely no difference, they wouldn't even come close to T1.

In any case, in 10 days we will probably have a link because considering how many servers are currently full EU Gandara has dropped its playing population enough. Apparently we are the benchmark and everyone that is full on EU has a higher population than us even with the skewed Anet metrics that obviously overstate ours.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Karagee.6830

[Xenesis.6389]

TLDR I only read TheGrimm brick of words.

[Karagee.6830]

3 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said:

TLDR I only read TheGrimm brick of words.

That seems like a stretch.

Don't wanna get banned by the usual unhinged mod (he knows who he is) for someone that really doesn't matter...

Edited November 18, 2022 by Karagee.6830

[Xenesis.6389]

Just now, Karagee.6830 said:

That seems like a stretch. The 'read' part.

You're right I use text to speech, but even my text to speech program didn't want to read your brick.

Please throw out another insult, it's all you've been doing in this matchup thread.

 

[Karagee.6830]

9 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said:

You're right I use text to speech, but even my text to speech program didn't want to read your brick.

Please throw out another insult, it's all you've been doing in this matchup thread.

 

Calling someone bad or incompetent in the game mode and asking that Anet to help them is an insult now? Good to know. I wonder how we ended up with Mechanist...

Also again creative comprehension and misdirection, it's a recurrent trait evidently. This is no matchup thread, any server that has to play them for 2 months will tell you the same thing. It's a general problem with EU WvW and it all stems from decisions Anet made, that can and should be improved. Which is what I'm asking. This thread is not about Gandara or Riverside and their match with BB, it is about this odd outlier we have, subject to special rules different from anyone else, that Anet has created.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Karagee.6830

[Dawdler.8521]

4 hours ago, Mabi black.1824 said:

I don't think so, when you merge them you keep all 2 names of the servers, so it will remain carved in stone from where all those fighters come. There is no dishonor in this. In my opinion it is a problem that does not exist, indeed all those players involved in a merger will be happy because they will finally have a more substantial team, and they will certainly become more competitive.

Uh what?

A server merger is merging at least two servers into one. That new server has one name. Not two names. How would two names at once even work, lol?

Gandbaruch?

Wait that's a new name. Which is exactly what world restructuring does.

[Xenesis.6389]

It's a thread about your server, and another server you faced.

/matchup thread.

 

[SFShinigami.1572]

On 11/17/2022 at 3:59 AM, Karagee.6830 said:

This is false.

1. Gandara does not have queues on Friday and Saturday evening and this is a FACT.

2. It's not just BB that outnumbers Gandara even on Friday and Saturday. Desolation has similar numbers (perhaps slightly less) and AM traditionally also has about the same. BB is much higher than anyone else, including Gandara and all of the above

3. This week and 2 weeks ago Baruch Bay had 2 different blobs both equal in numbers to Cormac's lonely tag st the weekend. And because he spent his time porting and defending (see no queue for a large tag swapping between EB and home border?), our kdr skyrocketed. Wipe one blob, move, wipe the other, rinse and repeat. And that's in the evening: later at night BB numbers stay the same or increase, while the opponents are fewer and fewer.

Either way the thread is not about limiting their numbers (that seems obvious, but it's largely irrelevant since they significantly outnumber only the 2 linkless servers), it's about forcing some change to make them more normal. Give them a link so they can go in higher tiers where with even numbers will average a 0.5 kdr and get farmed day and night. This server shouldn't exist in its current form. Why is there no spanish server on NA? Why do we have to suffer through boredom and weird/lopsided time coverage forced down our throats because the current system (and BB lack of skilled players) ensures horrible mobility through the tiers and imbalances at every level?

 

I can think of maybe one or two times in which Deso has had comparable numbers to Gandara at that time fri/sat and it was because we had a link that also had night people and a regular commander.  At most Deso topped at 35 and it was when we linked with RoF and there was no resistance.  The usual is 10-15.