Efaicia.3672 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Noone wants Heal/Alac Mech in fractal groups anymore. evidently people are under the impression that HAM doesn't provide Stability, protection or Aegis as well as alacrity. ALL IN THE SAME ABILITY. Everyone wants a Healbrand for quickness and someone playing a dps that provides alac. That's the new group build and HAM has lost their place. I have worked on a scrapper build ..but it's dps output is pitiful, i do more with the HAM build! Growl. /rantover Not to mention that the healbrand everyone is currently obsessed with has less than minimal dps output, not that HAM is incredible, but there is at least SOME. THE ONLY thing they provide that HAM doesn't is quickness. period. This entire thing is driving me bananas because it makes ZERO logical sense. Edited February 13, 2023 by Efaicia.3672 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcatraznc.3869 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) I would argue HAM is in a better place than HQS. In fact Elixir kit and Medkit got a pretty heavy nerf because of HAM and despite the nerf HAM is still a solid support that isnt just about spamming skill off CD. Now I dont know what build you are doing but : -if you're doing a DPS Scrapper build and you say the damage is lower than your HAM build, then you have to double check your build -if you're doing a power support Scrapper build, last time I check the DPS is about 30k which is pretty respectable for a support build. To put it into perspective PMech used to bench ar 33k which is pretty garbage for a DPS. I highly doubt HAM reaches that number when power alacrity mech can barely reach 25k DPS. -if you're doing a HQS build then idk why you mention DPS because it is not your role. The extra DPS HAM brings over HQS isnt going to matter in most scenario. Anyway, if you are making a group as a HAM you shouldnt even have much trouble finding people. Most people either play full DPS or support DPS. Edited February 13, 2023 by Alcatraznc.3869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Salazar.5430 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) you need pair ham with dps quickness Scrapper As qdps Scrapper you will provde missing stab, superspeed, 3ppl ress of f5, and aoe stunbreak on bypass coating don't pair qdps fb with ham, thats a baisc mistake ham need supply for ress and stab, if it's provided, ham is superior to Healbrand, not mentioning qdps scraper provid alot of aoe cc to a team Edited February 14, 2023 by Noah Salazar.5430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerus.4350 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 You’re not valuing Stability as high as others. A single stack every 30s just doesn’t cut it for some fractals. When you need Stab or Reflects HB and Herald shine. Get me a quickdps source willing to help with reflect and stab and HAM is great, without that I’d rather a HB too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Salazar.5430 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jerus.4350 said: You’re not valuing Stability as high as others. A single stack every 30s just doesn’t cut it for some fractals. When you need Stab or Reflects HB and Herald shine. Get me a quickdps source willing to help with reflect and stab and HAM is great, without that I’d rather a HB too. @Jerus.4350 Here reflect on 2 evry 6s, and f3 25s stab on f3+f4 protection on f1 as autor of post mentioned bit of lack of prot fury and might suply as dps Superpseed And most importent, range ress ability (f5) 4s 35% dmg transfer on bulwark gyro in fractals wher you no need stab as much you exchange elixir B for Blast gyro for more cc, might and aoe stun break Edited February 14, 2023 by Noah Salazar.5430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerus.4350 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Noah Salazar.5430 said: @Jerus.4350 Here reflect on 2 evry 6s, and f3 25s stab on f3+f4 protection on f1 as autor of post mentioned bit of lack of prot fury and might suply as dps Superpseed And most importent, range ress ability (f5) 4s 35% dmg transfer on bulwark gyro in fractals wher you no need stab as much you exchange elixir B for Blast gyro for more cc, might and aoe stun break Yeah, Scrapper can cover stab decently. Was talking about HAM where it's just Crisis Zone (unless you have a bugged character that can use the toolbelt skills). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerxez.7361 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Its simply because Stability Spam is king in fractals. Why bother avoiding Mechanics when you can rely on a single class to protect you from Mechanics. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoser.7245 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) "Reconstruction Enclosure" and "Soothing Detonation" also does not work with Med Kit for the mechanist as the F1 of the mechanist does not trigger traits linked to the F1 of the toolbelt , dead traits for the mechanist, also is crap underwater, the mech should work underwater too. The feeling is that is still an unfinished product, an unfinished specialization. Edited February 27, 2023 by Zoser.7245 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Salazar.5430 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Jerus.4350 said: Yeah, Scrapper can cover stab decently. Was talking about HAM where it's just Crisis Zone (unless you have a bugged character that can use the toolbelt skills). like i said it's not your job as ham evry alac heal have low amount of stab, cuz it's job of dps quickness provider do you see any stability here or here or here Tempest and Ham have single skill for it while quicknes providers have 2-3 or aoe stun breaks If you got perfect synergy, then ham > hfb if your got bad qdps, then your screw as ham or any other alac healer Edited February 15, 2023 by Noah Salazar.5430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 HAM has more competition thanks to a combination of constant nerfs and other supports getting consistently buffed (Ele especially). It's still good though, It's far from unviable, and does a little bit of everything you'd want from a support. With the exception of rezzeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalima.5490 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 It should be obvious really, because when composition changes, so does the required healer, it is likely they are already taking alacrity thus making the HAM redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Never had issue doing frac as Ham... Well I often more tham anything do my own group. Or if they dont want Ham I got a milion viable build on engi for any role really ready at all time, just missing a good scrapper gealer because I dint make one yet... and Ham exist I guess XD But yeah no never had issie joining as Ham really? And yeah Im talking about T4, Im not a peasant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.9142 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 You rarly need agis in fractels it's not even a thought most of the time for me The only valid concern is the lack of stab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Anecdotally, I've been finding that fractals tends to go smoother with a HB or HQH than with a HAM, even when Stability isn't an issue. I couldn't tell you why, but if others are having the same experience, it could explain the trend you're observing. Strike pugs still seem to be happy to HAM it up, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) I don't think its fallen off, if anything its more common than ever since most Healbrands have stopped playing, and almost every Firebrand you see in a group is a Qiuckbrand. What you're actually seeing is players refusing to let go of "LF HB" despite that they now need to sit in LFG for up to half an hour to find one. Edited March 20, 2023 by SoftFootpaws.9134 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalima.5490 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 I think HAM makes fractals increadibly easy but realistically it lacks a proper heal that syncs with it so if you have a steady group then HAM is extremely strong but if you have yo-yos in your group then firebrand is likely alot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlPower.2476 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I created a HB build for fractals and I can honestly say that I prefer it over any other healing build, even for challenge modes (CM).. Although Healing Burst may not be the strongest healing build, it can help your team avoid some evades. I never played with a heal tempest on the team, but heard that he's good too Edited March 25, 2023 by AlPower.2476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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