oscuro.9720 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, Myror.7521 said: @oscuro.9720 without buffs Rifle does around 9k. With buffs and debuffs it rais to Like 13-18k (on WvW it does sometimes 25k but there are also better sigil n stuff) I assume that’s with bloody roar giving the 20% plus’s baseline mods you get from simply being in combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 @oscuro.9720 nah by Berserkers Strength plus signet traitline of arms ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerToad.9248 Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 I'm done. I'm going to sleep.... i am changing classes anyways. i am playing this game for 4 months and is clear warrior is only going down hills. i made a revenant which is like a magic warrior right? lets see how that goes .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscuro.9720 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, Myror.7521 said: @oscuro.9720 nah by Berserkers Strength plus signet traitline of arms ^^ Sorry, I meant the unbuffed number was still under the assumption of bloody roar and the like. Ik the buffed setup 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, oscuro.9720 said: I semi-regularly get 8-10k crits on sub-50% else, rangers, thieves, and revenants. Granted this is on spell, but I believe Berserker has more total damage mods than spell? 8k is normal. Arc divider doesnt account for low hp. Pvp zerk often wont take bloody roar because EC is almost mandatory for living. Id expect 7-8ish k on pvp arc divider in this scenario. Edited June 11, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 @oscuro.9720 the unbuffed one is on Disciplin/strength (no Berserkers Strength of course) Berserker (with bloodyroar) xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) @Azure The Heartless.3261 yea hmm tho I was talking to that Guy though a WvW zerg Situation means the Berserker/arms/strength Warrior ^^ Edited June 11, 2023 by Myror.7521 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscuro.9720 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, GamerToad.9248 said: I'm done. I'm going to sleep.... i am changing classes anyways. i am playing this game for 4 months and is clear warrior is only going down hills. i made a revenant which is like a magic warrior right? lets see how that goes .. Hark, ye whose mind be swarmed with the darkness of despair, look up and hear my voice! I call to thee from the mountain top! Do not forsake the path of the Warrior! Do not let the burdens of the lesser mortals dissuade you. Know that these shackles they lock to thy feet and clasp onto thy wrists are but temporary tribulations. One day they shall break and ye shall be freed, and they shall tremble in fear of the beast they have created. For the pain of these shackles shall fade with the passage of time and your arms shall grow accustomed to their weight until you move with the precision and strength of a free man. And so when these shackles break you shall transcend the limits of what the lesser professions have come to know, and, for a fleeting moment, hold your enemies in the palm of thine hand to decide whether they live or die. Oh the ecstasy! What divine glory to be judge and executioner. To be the one to dictate to all who stand beneath thee free of limitation! Remember that feeling, however fleeting it was! Now climb! Climb this path up the mountain of pain that is Warrior! Climb for a future in which you will look down upon the lesser beings from high atop the mountain! Climb for glory! For the elation of victory! Climb because pain is as sweet at the victory it begets! Climb, my brother of war! Put thine head down and climb! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Dont mind me if I sound irritated. I am but its nobody's fault in this thread. I'm really tired of not being able to look away from the game without balance passes constantly asking me to jump through hoops to play power zerk. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscuro.9720 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: 8k is normal. Arc divider doesnt account for low hp. Pvp zerk often wont take bloody roar because EC is almost mandatory for living. Id expect 7-8ish k on pvp arc divider in this scenario. Sounds reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 @Azure The Heartless.3261 i mean i do acutually playing Power zerk its somewhat funny not gonna lie. Also you could kill Spellbraker Players in it. But u get stomped by Bladesworn ^^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 @Azure The Heartless.3261 yea night allready gone and still not sleeping i gues time to wake Up again .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Dont mind me if I sound irritated. I am but its nobody's fault in this thread. I'm really tired of not being able to look away from the game without balance passes constantly asking me to jump through hoops to play power zerk. Funny how they touch Arc divider but don't touch Scorched Earth, which has been the biggest point of contest the past couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix.2386 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: Funny how they touch Arc divider but don't touch Scorched Earth, which has been the biggest point of contest the past couple of months. because the touch to arc divider is actually an overall buff lol. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerToad.9248 Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 3 hours ago, felix.2386 said: because the touch to arc divider is actually an overall buff lol. it will not 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joxer.6024 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 only "confusing "thing about Spam is what is it....meat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 @felix.2386 5 hours ago, felix.2386 said: because the touch to arc divider is actually an overall buff lol. *in PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 8 hours ago, GamerToad.9248 said: it will not I hate how people from snowcrows have to build spreadsheets to prove what a glance and experience with using both arcing slice and arc divider should instantly tell you. I'm grateful for it but it shouldn't have to come to this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Myror.7521 said: @felix.2386 *in PvP Its a nerf in pvp for the same reasons its a nerf in pve. The new cast time is fast, but not fast enough that you can't react to it with blind or aegis. See the snowcrows breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) @Azure The Heartless.3261 im still think its not a nerf but also not a buff. Cast time will best faster with Same big ranged AoE its just a 0% or 100% skill while old Arc divider might have be able to hit though blind and Aegis but is also more luck luster on how many dmg it will do at all (also was very ezy to get cced/interrupted). Both got some negative points but also some positive ones. It simply depends on what you Like more ^^ Edited June 11, 2023 by Myror.7521 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Its a nerf in pvp for the same reasons its a nerf in pve. The new cast time is fast, but not fast enough that you can't react to it with blind or aegis. See the snowcrows breakdown. With the innate quickness on entering Berserk that 0.8s cast time is more like 1/2s cast time. That will catch people, but is going to need resistance and maybe SoM to ensure the hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix.2386 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, GamerToad.9248 said: it will not doesn't matter. cmc clearly stated that the point of the change is not to shave any DPS performance, so if there is, they will just buff the number back up Edited June 11, 2023 by felix.2386 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerToad.9248 Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 27 minutes ago, felix.2386 said: doesn't matter. cmc clearly stated that the point of the change is not to shave any DPS performance, so if there is, they will just buff the number back up Then why put down the number so much? over half the coefficiecy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix.2386 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, GamerToad.9248 said: Then why put down the number so much? over half the coefficiecy. wth are you talking about, the cast time is reduced more then half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerToad.9248 Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, felix.2386 said: wth are you talking about, the cast time is reduced more then half. and the math says it will be a dps loss even still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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