Feedback about money and gold

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

3 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said:

Who says that they aren't already rock bottom?  They may be at the lowest point at which the studio can still turn enough profit to satisfy the shareholders.

Not my problem, this is capitalism, I want the cheapest possible price and then even lower than that. Its not in my interest or problem to figure out their prices.  Why are you advocating for them?

[Sobx.1758]

27 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

Not my problem, this is capitalism, I want the cheapest possible price and then even lower than that. Its not in my interest or problem to figure out their prices. 

It's really irrelevant what abstract price you want and it changes nothing that was written in the previous posts.
Although have to say it's still better that you're at least honest about it, as opposed to op who tries to pretend making prices lower will make people spend more, when he's only interested in gold to gem exchange anyways.

To put it the way you did: not anyone's -including anet- problem that you personally want prices to be lower. It's not anyone's interest or problem to figure out since it's nothing that somehow has to be done.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Sobx.1758

[kharmin.7683]

21 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

Not my problem, this is capitalism, I want the cheapest possible price and then even lower than that. Its not in my interest or problem to figure out their prices.  Why are you advocating for them?

That's not a valid argument to support your position.  If it were capitalism, then there would be other companies who offer the same thing at different prices so that competition would ensue.  This is not the case here.

As for the cheapest price, I've already suggested that perhaps it is already at the cheapest price.  Any cheaper and the company might fold.

I am not advocating for anyone.  I'm merely presenting a possible reason that may explain why your position may not be viable for the long-term success of the company.

[bossdonut.1938]

2 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

Not my problem, this is capitalism, I want the cheapest possible price and then even lower than that. Its not in my interest or problem to figure out their prices.  Why are you advocating for them?

if you are pro capitalism you would love diablo 4

 

they want 65 bucks for a horse skin. get in there fella!

[Vayne.8563]

On 11/15/2023 at 10:18 AM, Holmindeboks.3490 said:

Ah i made this post on another topic on this forum and then copied it to a note on iphone and from there i copied it back on a new topic. And yes i use smallest letters. 
 

but i think i have to stay away from the game. I have money. But i wont spend it on a game that gives nothing in return. If i play endless metas for junk loot. And btw yes mats are cheap. Thats what bothers me. You cant make nice gold without no life grinding. 
 

i am still searching for a new hobby(nice game) best is a game without much progress. 
i wish i could borrow legendary armor for a few months and just know what it would be and play/test some builds and then i got all i wanted to experience. I still hate that i had no chance to finish raid collection 2. Worked my a55 of for collection one. 
and i also hate that the years i played since 2016 i havent got a single item worth over 1k gold. While every time i see new expensive worth 10k gold items on the trading post. And me. I get only junk loot. Feels like a middlefinger to me for the money i have spend those years. If i think about their greed, makes me furious. 

This game has never been about getting that big drop.  The fact that you want that or think it is is your issue, not anyone else's. People have been so trained by other games, they can't understand how a game of trickles works, but it does work for many of us. The fact that you don't like it is fine. Hope you find a game you do like. There are lucky drops in this game and I've gotten a couple over the years, but they're by no means the bulk of my wealth.

[Barraind.7324]

6 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

 But they totally don't own stock or work for the company and you're totally talking to legit players.

I sell tinfoil.  You, personally, have probably bought me an infusion or two. 

[DanAlcedo.3281]

Be me. 

Be on phone. 

Dark mode. 

Kitten. Can't read. 

[Holmindeboks.3490]

12 hours ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

Be me. 

Be on phone. 

Dark mode. 

Kitten. Can't read. 

who is the person who cant read? not me, i could read it perfectly fine on my iphone 😛 justable dark mode and put brightness on the lowest 
i tried to find dark mode on the page but could not find it. phone was on dark mode by itself but not the forum

15 hours ago, Vayne.8563 said:

This game has never been about getting that big drop.  The fact that you want that or think it is is your issue, not anyone else's. People have been so trained by other games, they can't understand how a game of trickles works, but it does work for many of us. The fact that you don't like it is fine. Hope you find a game you do like. There are lucky drops in this game and I've gotten a couple over the years, but they're by no means the bulk of my wealth.

as always the players who GOT a huge worth gold drop can't imagine, its easy to say that if you get a chak egg sack and of that 10k you flip more infusions or other freshly added items, if you have 8500 gold (15% free gone from 10k) then you can bid on much more things, but making gold from zero is harder then use the gold from an expensive drop. you wealth is from this huge drop. dont lie to yourself and be honest. and no its not your issue, but see how soto became, its a disaster if i read the forum. ppl love to spend for less as some ppl are saying, i am not the only one, the company have to invest in a bigger team. but they just dont want to take the risk and stay with their amount of devs and stay rich. 
maybe if they increase the team you get new raids, more pvp and wvw content, new professions, new races and much more. but now you only get shown gemstore items because thats more cash, a raid cant be sold separate in store because its part on the expansion. but i wont stay long on the forum again. those addicted ppl cant understand situations from others.

20 hours ago, kharmin.7683 said:

That's not a valid argument to support your position.  If it were capitalism, then there would be other companies who offer the same thing at different prices so that competition would ensue.  This is not the case here.

As for the cheapest price, I've already suggested that perhaps it is already at the cheapest price.  Any cheaper and the company might fold.

I am not advocating for anyone.  I'm merely presenting a possible reason that may explain why your position may not be viable for the long-term success of the company.

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Holmindeboks.3490

[Randulf.7614]

6 minutes ago, Holmindeboks.3490 said:

who is the person who cant read? not me, i could read it perfectly fine on my iphone 😛 justable dark mode and put brightness on the lowest 
i tried to find dark mode on the page but could not find it. phone was on dark mode by itself but not the forum

as always the players who GOT a huge worth gold drop can't imagine, its easy to say that if you get a chak egg sack and of that 10k you flip more infusions or other freshly added items, if you have 8500 gold (15% free gone from 10k) then you can bid on much more things, but making gold from zero is harder then use the gold from an expensive drop. you wealth is from this huge drop. dont lie to yourself and be honest. and no its not your issue, but see how soto became, its a disaster if i read the forum. ppl love to spend for less as some ppl are saying, i am not the only one, the company have to invest in a bigger team. but they just dont want to take the risk and stay with their amount of devs and stay rich. 
maybe if they increase the team you get new raids, more pvp and wvw content, new professions, new races and much more. but now you only get shown gemstore items because thats more cash, a raid cant be sold separate in store because its part on the expansion. but i wont stay long on the forum again. those addicted ppl cant understand situations from others.

 

Lots of things wrong here. You are misunderstanding Anet are a business who answer to another company and who had to downsize due to various reasons. Saying they are risk free to stay rich would take longer than I care to explain to deomstrate the fallacies here. You are also confusing forum opinion with the representative opinion. The forum has not represented the trending opinion of the game for quite some time. Whilst there is some legitimate criticism here, there is also a lot of isolated whinging and people using multiple accounts.

This next bit is important because you misnuderstand also how people gain money. You cannot get rich from 0 with a lucky dropof the Chak Egg. Selling the egg through the trading post requires signifcant gold already due to trading post listing and selling fees. The number of players who ever got such a drop is prob about 0.001%. Most people make it by building up their gold by selling unidentified gear, dailies, instances, metas, materials, crafting etc. You are mistakenly believeing that the majority of players are funded by big rare drops. They are not. Lets be honest, you wouldn't even want it if it wasn't rare and hard to get.

Ultimately this post comes down to natural jealousy that you want these drops too. Or you want hand outs. I get it, I really do. When you invest in a game for many years, you want that feel good factor of getting something cool. But, the game will not change on the basis of that. You want something, it's there to be earned. Anet may be inconsistent in their output, but as I said earlier, there is no "greed" here. They gave out Living World for free. They also sold their latest DLC for about £20. It may not be their greatest content sure, but it certainly been worth £20 for me when I compare what I get from games double that price. And I've enjoyed everything except this latest map. I will remind anyone reading that Lotro charged £100 for a collectors edition for one of their recent expansions and it had a single map and some exclusive social items like a rideable pig. That is more like greed.

But, they are a business. Whilst they specialise in entertainment, they are not in this just for our fun. They are in this to make money as well wiht the finite resources they are able to afford. For them and the company that owns them. If they didn't, the game would not exist. That's not outright, pure greed, it's just how businesses work. 

Criticse the output quality and quantity for sure. There's solid ground there. But criticising them because they make money and because you personally are not egtting that one, single, amazing handed out piece of loot? That's not really on Anet I'm afraid

[Vayne.8563]

22 minutes ago, Holmindeboks.3490 said:

who is the person who cant read? not me, i could read it perfectly fine on my iphone 😛 justable dark mode and put brightness on the lowest 
i tried to find dark mode on the page but could not find it. phone was on dark mode by itself but not the forum

as always the players who GOT a huge worth gold drop can't imagine, its easy to say that if you get a chak egg sack and of that 10k you flip more infusions or other freshly added items, if you have 8500 gold (15% free gone from 10k) then you can bid on much more things, but making gold from zero is harder then use the gold from an expensive drop. you wealth is from this huge drop. dont lie to yourself and be honest. and no its not your issue, but see how soto became, its a disaster if i read the forum. ppl love to spend for less as some ppl are saying, i am not the only one, the company have to invest in a bigger team. but they just dont want to take the risk and stay with their amount of devs and stay rich. 
maybe if they increase the team you get new raids, more pvp and wvw content, new professions, new races and much more. but now you only get shown gemstore items because thats more cash, a raid cant be sold separate in store because its part on the expansion. but i wont stay long on the forum again. those addicted ppl cant understand situations from others.

 

People can say anything. For example, when Ascended gear game out, only months after the launch, that the game was over, Anet broke their word, they came out with a new tier of gear and many of them left the game. We're still here though. It hasn't made the game worse for me.  It hasn't made the game worse for lots of people. There are always people who will complain about change. And those are the people you'll hear. But that doesn't make them a majority of the player base. 

Many MANY people complained about the Wizards Vault when it came out, but the fact is, almost every I talk to loves the wizards vault. This whole people are complaining so something must be bad is a joke. Tons of people think HoT is the best expansion ever released....  it's also the expansion that was the most complained about. People complained about raids, in fact I was one of them. But I'm still here. 

And the fact that occassionally someone shows up and says ZOMG I can't get a big drop, woe is me... that's happened before too. It's hardly an original thought. But you can tell when an issue is a hot button issue for the player base. This isn't one. The six guys that complain about it and leave are fine, because I like it better than getting that big drop. And it took me like many many years to get the big drop. I like how it is now. And I had tons of money in game before I ever got that big drop.

At the end of the day, the random contracts witrhout a chance to choose your mount skin was a big issue that people complained about. This issue?  It's a storm in a teacup. People complain about all sorts of things, including not having vertical progression.  But the game is better for most of us without vertical progression. Shrugs.

[Holmindeboks.3490]

oke ty both for friendly reply 🙂

i know how to make gold but sometimes i want an easy drop that makes me rich. and making gold is slow af. compared to other mmo. 
who doesn't like to get gifted something nice after some time? and true, if it was not super rare i didnt want it so much. its just the gold that brings it. 
the main thing i really wanted is legendary armor, i like(d) to stat swap and creating builds and see how the damage goes, i used the build editor online sometimes but i couldn't make the set ingame because its expensive and i dont know if it works. also i worked my kitten of for raid collection 1 but i was stuck on collenction 2, my guild raid times sucks so i couldnt get further. they just say join a training groep, while those achievements can be done within 1 run. 
but the biggest dissapointed came with EoD. i see virtual items different then irl, irl things are needed. virtual items are just for happyness and cost nothing. 
its like this, generate a code of something, a game and you can make someone happy with it, you just copied something that could make someones day. irl thats not possible for many things. you cant copy a bike for free and make someone happy with it. you can copy a virtual item. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Holmindeboks.3490

[Randulf.7614]

I'll be honest, I've played a decent amount of mmo's and I've never come close to making gold as fast as I do here. I choose not to because there's rarely anything I want to buy and I like using my own materials to work towards what I want, but gold comes thick and fast here. And with SoTo's Wizards Vault, it is even faster. Make sure you are selling everything. A friend of mine started playing properly a couple of years back and within a year earned more than I had in several just by selling rather than hoarding

[Ashen.2907]

2 hours ago, Holmindeboks.3490 said:

you can copy a virtual item. 

Sure, but a company still needs to pay people to create the item, pay people to ma8ntain the game, pay people to progress the game's development, pay rent, pay electricity, and so on.

The person buying the first copy is not paying enough to cover the cost of development for the game so the virtual copies have to be sold as well. In order to have the virtual copies be free to make people happy Anet's employees would need forced to work, effectively enslaved, for no pay....and even then they would need to be fed, clothed, sheltered, etc.