World vs World Only Expansion, Why we need one.

[Charall.4710]

Greetings everyone, it's Charall again back with another very important and totally factual post that absolutely no one can disagree with surely.

World vs World - The much needed expansion.

Why we need one:

For about 11 1/2 years now guild wars 2 WvW has seen very minor change while PvP and PvE have seen major changes, expansions, new content drops, etc. I get that PvE and PvP need content and whatnot but a major selling point of Gw2's initial launch was WvW.. And so I propose a change, a flipping of the script of sorts.

With WvW in the state that it is in right now, it is becoming.. less and less desirable to play. PvE gets "some" balance changes but gets new armors, new weapons, new content every single patch more or less, just generally way more updates than WvW has gotten in the games history in.. just a few patches honestly.

The proposed "Script Flip"

For an entire expansion, I propose Anet completely stop all PvE content creation aside a few balance changes and maybe a few QoL updates while giving WvW players major attention. Give us new maps, new ways to travel, new objectives to cap, new siege to play with, new WvW only cosmetics (more than the 2-3 we already have), expand the amount of mounts we can have in WvW beyond just the warclaw, add skyscale dogfighting, really go NUTS in WvW.

Bring actual GvG maps into play, big stadiums where players outside of 2-3 guilds fighting it out for glory can sit and watch them become victorious, things like that. Shoot! Even bring back seasons! Really revamp WvW, bring some love to a dying game mode.

Give the PvE players a taste of what WvW players have dealt with for over a decade, While you're at it! Focus a bit on PvP too!

- Yours Truly, Charall.
 

[pallas.8150]

What? You dont like getting the same Warlord armor pieces EVERY FREAKING WEEK for the past few years?

Agreed, there needs to be more to do as well as more to invest currency in.

[kharmin.7683]

With the emphasis on the casual open world player that seems to make up the larger portion of the playerbase, this suggestion probably has no chance. 

[Charall.4710]

12 minutes ago, pallas.8150 said:

Agreed, there needs to be more to do as well as more to invest currency in.

That would also be nice tbh

[Charall.4710]

Just now, kharmin.7683 said:

With the emphasis on the casual open world player that seems to make up the larger portion of the playerbase, this suggestion probably has no chance. 

I disagree, I think it has a major chance and should be implemented 100%. PvE gets way too much content, give WvW some love!

[Cernoch.8524]

I agree that we need more WvW content, getting warlord chest all the time is not fun, especially now when many players have legendary armor. 
But your totally factual post fail it in first sentense. PvP did not get any more content than WvW. All the new content we got since HoT so not 11 1/2 years ago. We got new map, it did not go well but we got it, just like we got few PvP maps, more maps yes but it is easier to design map for 5v5. In both modes we have option to get legendary gear now, about he same amount of new skins and weapons. 

So both modes got arround the same content imo, in fact, WvW changed a lot more than PvP. Better rewards, gliding, mount, different upgrading system. PvP got none of it. Not like I want gliding or mounts in PvP but you get what I mean. 

I am WvW player and I would like more content, more things to spend rank points on, different rewards for pips, etc. Maybe even new map. 

But expansion ONLY with WvW stuff? No, will never happen because bigger part of the players still prefer PvE.

[dexteerz.1753]

Guilds wars 2 needs a lot more than what you mentioned.
1. PvE: receives a lot of updates, but always with the casual player in mind, more competitive players do not have Raids or new Instances, at most one Strike Mission CM per Expansion;
2. PvP: PvP is great content, but it is outdated, they need to adjust the Match Maker system to avoid bots and match manipulation, impose punishments for troll players...
3. WvW: this is my favorite content, and I agree that they need to pay attention to this too. But I think there is no point in any content updates for WvW if the main problem has never been and will not be resolved anytime soon (SKILL LAG). They recently announced some improvements that will come to WvW, but for me there is no point if it doesn't solve the problem with LAG on the server during fights with many players.
WvW World Restructuring Beta Feedback and Future – GuildWars2.com

ANet likes to release good content, the combat system is perfect! But there is a root sin that they always commit, which is thinking that the content is perfect and does not need changes or improvements...

Sorry for my English, if it wasn't clear.

Edited March 27 by dexteerz.1753
add link wvw restructuring

[KoSs.3027]

Most likely WvW focused expansion will never happen.

We can still hope for new WvW content tho that is also on a low chance to happen specially new map (remember how badly Desert Borderland was received by players, tho i personally love it)

WvW needs major balance patch to fix its current problems. Like Boonballs we got now in wvw. A good guild group won't ever be wiped in a fight unless they fight vs other good guild group.

Skills like projectile reflect/destroy/block need to be removed completely from wvw or their cooldowns to be doubled/tripled because with those skills make a boonball even more unkillable.

[kharmin.7683]

56 minutes ago, Charall.4710 said:

I disagree, I think it has a major chance and should be implemented 100%. PvE gets way too much content, give WvW some love!

Your opinion is fine.  I think that Anet would not bring in enough revenue to justify the cost if they don't cater to the larger portion of their players.  Personally, I wouldn't buy your proposed expansion because I don't do any WvW and have absolutely no interest in that format.  I'd imagine that there are many other players who would likewise decline to purchase such an expansion.  /shrug

[Sarge shot Grif.6450]

That'd probably be the worst waste of time and resources in years and that's including the second half of IBS and fishing lol.

[Zera.9435]

A full expansion based purely on WvW is a bad idea. A large chunk of the player base would simply not buy it (myself included). You could simply ask for new maps/objectives as part of a normal expansion to further incentivize its purchase.

Now, as far as your "Let the PvE players suffer like I've suffered", do keep in mind that WvW and PvP together are maybe10% of the entire game's content, if that. Like it or not, the vast majority of the game's content is PvE and its associated content. WvW and PvP together are just not important enough to justify basing an entire expansion to sell, as neither of these modes are meant to be the primary/only reason to play GW2. They are supplementary content, not primary. It's great that you enjoy the content, but for most players WvW is just something we're required to do to get Gift of Battle. That's it. It's not meant to be the thing you do all day every day.

Also, kitten PvP. I have members in my guild who do PvP on the regular, and you know what I see in guild chat regarding PvP?  Nothing but pure misery and disdain complaining about how people are not team players or getting kitten talked by someone else. It is NEVER "Wow, that was a fun PvP match!" It is always "This is the kitten that pisses me off..." or "kitten this kitten, I need to take a break for today." PvP brings out the worst in people, period.

[Charall.4710]

1 hour ago, kharmin.7683 said:

Personally, I wouldn't buy your proposed expansion because I don't do any WvW and have absolutely no interest in that format.  I'd imagine that there are many other players who would likewise decline to purchase such an expansion.  /shrug

Lotta people would actually, I honestly think you're kinda in the minority.

[Zera.9435]

2 hours ago, Charall.4710 said:

Lotta people would actually, I honestly think you're kinda in the minority.

That is an opinion you are having. Fact is the majority of the player base is casual and does not view WvW as a make-or-break deal for the game as a whole.

[Coldtart.4785]

The problem with a wvw expansion is the paradox of Anet wvw attention: as painful as it is to go on and on without any updates it's often even worse when we actually do get an update.

[Leger.3724]

No. We need Guild Wars 3 with a combat system that does not reward baboons.

Then we can talk about pvp expansion.

[XenesisII.1540]

6 hours ago, Charall.4710 said:

Bring actual GvG maps into play, big stadiums where players outside of 2-3 guilds fighting it out for glory can sit and watch them become victorious, things like that.

Shoot! Even bring back seasons! Really revamp WvW, bring some love to a dying game mode.

So, the solution to fixing wvw, is adding more content that's not part of wvw, for only gvg guilds to enjoy.... okey dokey. 😏

Btw the pve player base is much bigger than the wvw player base, thus there's no chance they would make an exclusive wvw expansion, let alone one just for gvg guilds. All the other addons you list like map, mounts, travel are things they could just sell as bolt on upgrades instead of an expansion.

[Solvar.7953]

The problem with a WvW expansion (other than mentioned with likely low amount of people buying it), is what happens to the WvW players who do not buy it?  Not allowed to go on the new maps?  Not allowed to play WvW at all?  This works easily enough for PvE - players can not go to the new maps or do other content related to it, but for WvW, really unclear how that works in any fashion.

I play occasional WvW, but I wouldn't buy an expansion of only WvW.  But it would be a very unpopular thing if there are new objections, but in general those players who bought the expansion is unable to find anyone to help them capture it because those who do not own it get nothing for doing so.  And if those not owning do get something, then why buy the expansion?

I suppose they could add new reward tracks that only those who own this expansion can access.  A lot of people would likely say that isn't an expansion worth of content, others would just look and see if there is anything in those new reward tracks they care about it, etc.

 

[XenesisII.1540]

1 hour ago, Solvar.7953 said:

The problem with a WvW expansion (other than mentioned with likely low amount of people buying it), is what happens to the WvW players who do not buy it?  Not allowed to go on the new maps?  Not allowed to play WvW at all?  This works easily enough for PvE - players can not go to the new maps or do other content related to it, but for WvW, really unclear how that works in any fashion.

I play occasional WvW, but I wouldn't buy an expansion of only WvW.  But it would be a very unpopular thing if there are new objections, but in general those players who bought the expansion is unable to find anyone to help them capture it because those who do not own it get nothing for doing so.  And if those not owning do get something, then why buy the expansion?

I suppose they could add new reward tracks that only those who own this expansion can access.  A lot of people would likely say that isn't an expansion worth of content, others would just look and see if there is anything in those new reward tracks they care about it, etc.

This is the reason why they cannot sell a general access map to wvw, why desert was "free", because wvw is open to every account type. But you can sell other parts like they did with mastery, shield gen, mount, glider, reward tacks, runes, sigils, etc. They could add gvg maps separately, as long as it didn't play a part in wvw overall match systems it would be fine.

[TheGrimm.5624]

13 hours ago, Charall.4710 said:

Greetings everyone, it's Charall again back with another very important and totally factual post that absolutely no one can disagree with surely.

World vs World - The much needed expansion.

Why we need one:

For about 11 1/2 years now guild wars 2 WvW has seen very minor change while PvP and PvE have seen major changes, expansions, new content drops, etc. I get that PvE and PvP need content and whatnot but a major selling point of Gw2's initial launch was WvW.. And so I propose a change, a flipping of the script of sorts.

With WvW in the state that it is in right now, it is becoming.. less and less desirable to play. PvE gets "some" balance changes but gets new armors, new weapons, new content every single patch more or less, just generally way more updates than WvW has gotten in the games history in.. just a few patches honestly.

The proposed "Script Flip"

For an entire expansion, I propose Anet completely stop all PvE content creation aside a few balance changes and maybe a few QoL updates while giving WvW players major attention. Give us new maps, new ways to travel, new objectives to cap, new siege to play with, new WvW only cosmetics (more than the 2-3 we already have), expand the amount of mounts we can have in WvW beyond just the warclaw, add skyscale dogfighting, really go NUTS in WvW.

Bring actual GvG maps into play, big stadiums where players outside of 2-3 guilds fighting it out for glory can sit and watch them become victorious, things like that. Shoot! Even bring back seasons! Really revamp WvW, bring some love to a dying game mode.

Give the PvE players a taste of what WvW players have dealt with for over a decade, While you're at it! Focus a bit on PvP too!

- Yours Truly, Charall.
 

Sorry, good attempt. But after seeing this show in general I feared you would be reported and moved to here. I avoided replying since feared it would hasten your visit the WvW forums but I think the general posters got you lol. 

[Mabi black.1824]

9 hours ago, Zera.9435 said:

That is an opinion you are having.

plausible

 

12 hours ago, Zera.9435 said:

PvP brings out the worst in people, period.

I would say that this remark of yours is also definitely an opinion. Because my experience at WVW is something else entirely.

Now, honestly I don't know numbers and percentages of PVE and PVP players, but, in any case, if WVW for a player like you is a secondary content to get an item ( and that's perfectly fine ) or if WVW for a player like me is a primary content ( and that's fine the same ) we can both argue that if we concede something more,   of any kind, maps, events, objectives etc etc

We can both say that we have done something good, for the entire GW2 community, regardless of how and when they participate in WVW. with the only hope of having found a common ground here with you.

P.S. You can find good or bad people, kind or rude people everywhere, both in GW2 and out there in the real world. You just have to learn to observe, distance yourself and choose your friends carefully.

[CrimsonRise.7650]

It's never going to happen. WvW is a niche game mode, with little competition, besides what? ESO?

There was hope after Camelot Unchained was announced, but that's been in development hell for over a decade..

Even the streamer/content creation side, has a smaller audience, compared to the maintenance mode PvP streamers, when it was being pushed as an 'esport'.

Edited March 28 by RisingDaewn.8703

[Charall.4710]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:05 AM, TheGrimm.5624 said:

Sorry, good attempt. But after seeing this show in general I feared you would be reported and moved to here. I avoided replying since feared it would hasten your visit the WvW forums but I think the general posters got you lol. 

I usually post in general and don't care where it gets moved to cause it gets the most views in the general section, in this case I wanted to bring a lot of attention to this post so Anet would be able to see the sheer interaction it gets.

[sanguigasm.1325]

These should be at most 10$.

[TheGrimm.5624]

2 hours ago, Charall.4710 said:

I usually post in general and don't care where it gets moved to cause it gets the most views in the general section, in this case I wanted to bring a lot of attention to this post so Anet would be able to see the sheer interaction it gets.

lol, I figured. 🙂 General has some viewpoints and a lot more posters that will the use the FW2 features to play the game within the game.

[SweetPotato.7456]

Why would I buy an expansion for WvW only, when I can get WvW related stuffs from buying the normal expansion.