willbender problem

[Gazrul.3086]

Just wait until they get the spear. 🤭 

[Mangoyami.2418]

5 hours ago, Gazrul.3086 said:

Just wait until they get the spear. 🤭 

I'm not hyped for this. between testing on the wvw golems with alac spearbender and the "good bug" on helios rush that's been hush-hushed so it's less likely to be fixed in that it does absurd damage to downed players, groups of downed players

Spoiler

and asura

It doesn't 'have' to do as much damage as GS or swords. with alac it's possible to have an exceedingly small downtime between illuminated symbols, about 5s of actual CD after its effect ends. and the 3+4 skills just happen to fit in perfectly with the free illumination provided by it.

[Provocative.3561]

Hate conversations from people who don’t like mobile classes or specializations. So many video games where there are mobile characters and immobile characters to pick and the people who willingly play an immobile character complain about players who actively play a character that blinks or dashes. You choose immobile classes, we choose mobility. If you choose to NOT play a character that dash’s or fly’s, that should NOT mean the rest of us should adhere to that style of gameplay. Simple as that. Stop overextending, stop being out of position and stop blaming the players who want todo both and go beyond! We very much enjoy mobility for kite and catch. 

[urd.8306]

The point isn't exactly mobile classes vs non-mobile classes. It's a balancing thing.
Let's paint a picture for you.
Every class has a limited amount of points. Those points get distributed into the general skill categories.
- Mobility
- Burst
- Survivability
- Support
- etc
So if your class already has 10 points in mobility, it shouldn't have the same number of points in all the other categories because of the limit.
In the case of Willbender (the Thief class in general, Vindicator) you can fill all of the above mentioned categories.

Please, keep your mobility, but then we need to tone the burst down, take your invulnerability, condi cleanse or other stuff to bring you on par with other specs.

 

[TrollingDemigod.3041]

3 minutes ago, urd.8306 said:

The point isn't exactly mobile classes vs non-mobile classes. It's a balancing thing.
Let's paint a picture for you.
Every class has a limited amount of points. Those points get distributed into the general skill categories.
- Mobility
- Burst
- Survivability
- Support
- etc
So if your class already has 10 points in mobility, it shouldn't have the same number of points in all the other categories because of the limit.
In the case of Willbender (the Thief class in general, Vindicator) you can fill all of the above mentioned categories.

Please, keep your mobility, but then we need to tone the burst down, take your invulnerability, condi cleanse or other stuff to bring you on par with other specs.

 

Wasn't A-net talking about it and calling it "cost of opportunity" some time ago on a stream? I wonder what happened with that concept~

[Codename T.2847]

21 minutes ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said:

Wasn't A-net talking about it and calling it "cost of opportunity" some time ago on a stream? I wonder what happened with that concept~

Fvcking gone since 2015

[Dean Calaway.9718]

On 7/27/2024 at 1:07 AM, Archmage Talaftia.9853 said:

i try to attack one , all i see dodge dodge dodge, evade evade evade , block block block , and then i  get downed by seconds

Why don't you play Willbender then?

[cryorion.9532]

2 hours ago, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

Why don't you play Willbender then?

Not everyone enjoys hopping on bandwagon of overpowered builds just because they are overpowered... some people would prefer proper balance instead. 🤷‍♂️

Willbender is undeniably an outlier that needs to be addressed. And, obviously, it is not the only outlier that exists. The question isn't why or how is Willbender overpowered, but why Anet hasn't nerfed them yet. 🤡

Edited August 8 by cryorion.9532

[Codename T.2847]

5 hours ago, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

Why don't you play Willbender then? 

Everyone has their own preferences is why

[urd.8306]

5 hours ago, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

Why don't you play Willbender then?

Dignity.

[TrollingDemigod.3041]

5 hours ago, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

Why don't you play Willbender then?

Self-respect.

[Dean Calaway.9718]

7 hours ago, cryorion.9532 said:

Not everyone enjoys hopping on bandwagon of overpowered builds just because they are overpowered...

 

4 hours ago, Codename T.2847 said:

Everyone has their own preferences is why

 

4 hours ago, urd.8306 said:

Dignity

 

3 hours ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said:

Self-respect

I.E. you can't pull the same moves.

[CafPow.1542]

14 hours ago, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

Why don't you play Willbender then?

For me personally, i love my ele (which get conplains aswell) and play what i like at the moment. I would probably suck on willy.

[Riba.3271]

Necessary fixes:

1. . Guardian greatsword 3 back to old radius (IT WAS ALREADY EASY TO LAND)
2. Willbender F2 to 1 charge (Like in SPvP)
3. Willbender F2 bugfixed to not ignore dazes
4. Cele/Minstrel nerfed in WvW (Concentration 1%/15 -> 1%/30, Expertise 1%/15 -> 1%/21).

Cele doesn't have much to do with meta willbender, but a problem anyways. Just taking  2 dashes that provide condi clenase from full WB rotation should put the spec in a decent place.

Edited August 9 by Riba.3271

[Deepsmack.9028]

Google this.. dat-willbender    then check out the first webpage... then ask if anet cares it exists.

[Stegus.4285]

...fix Willbender on wvw... wtf

[Mike.3196]

On 8/5/2024 at 6:27 PM, Shiyo.3578 said:

It's actually a joke how you can use all your mobility to play offensively, pop your elite, then use it all to run away.

Zero risk, all reward. Good design.

  

It also took them nearly a decade to finally remove trapper runes stealth + super speed bonus, lol.

WvW(or PvP) shouldn't be taken seriously. The devs sure don't take it seriously.

Everything your saying is a player issue there are so many broken builds so you gonna nerf them do it.

[Mike.3196]

On 8/6/2024 at 2:51 AM, McMarc.1276 said:

My favorite roaming build usually deals well with your average overconfident willbender in a 1v1.  But I agree, they're slightly overtuned compared to the rest of the roaming pool. Being so good at everything (offense, defense, boons and mobility) is not okay and should be looked at. But welp, I don't think they'll get nerfed any time soon. 

You roam and you say this. do your roam? 

[Mike.3196]

On 8/8/2024 at 6:41 AM, cryorion.9532 said:

Not everyone enjoys hopping on bandwagon of overpowered builds just because they are overpowered... some people would prefer proper balance instead. 🤷‍♂️

Willbender is undeniably an outlier that needs to be addressed. And, obviously, it is not the only outlier that exists. The question isn't why or how is Willbender overpowered, but why Anet hasn't nerfed them yet. 🤡

Yes compared to all the cele builds running around willbender is the outlier because it's not cele and actually hurts it makes sense 

[Palikka.8249]

Just play cele harb, its literally braindead counter to many classes. If we nerf power builds this celefiesta gets even worse.

[Dawdler.8521]

2 hours ago, Palikka.8249 said:

Just play cele harb, its literally braindead counter to many classes. If we nerf power builds this celefiesta gets even worse.

It’s almost as if cele should be nerfed.

[ascii.1369]

6 hours ago, Mike.3196 said:

Yes compared to all the cele builds running around willbender is the outlier because it's not cele and actually hurts it makes sense 

It’s not like it’s either/or. Yes, cele is too strong and should be nerfed. Also yes, willbender overperforms significantly at lower levels of play, which makes roaming super frustrating for like 80% of the player base.

[Codename T.2847]

2 hours ago, ascii.1369 said:

It’s not like it’s either/or. Yes, cele is too strong and should be nerfed. Also yes, willbender overperforms significantly at lower levels of play, which makes roaming super frustrating for like 80% of the player base.

Yep, two outliers can exist at the same time

[GROMIT.7829]

On 7/27/2024 at 2:00 AM, Evenge.4067 said:

They always have.

Tell that to my Core Guardian Staff 1 before expansions right before they nerfed it. 

[Mangoyami.2418]

To everyone spreading whataboutism while people take aim at your precious willbender remember that above all the "but this class is also OP" and "but cele" that Willbender has received ONE (1) nerf since it's release in 2022. And they only received it in march of 2024 because they were biting the hand that feeds too much.

Deathless courage prior to march of 2024, gave you a few seconds of INVULNERABILITY. and what WB's were doing with this was sigil of rage -> F3 into enemy blob -> whirling light + Gs2 -> elite invul -> F3 and dash out. In a full power build this was all but guaranteed to down the squishy blob dps, possibly killing them too. The powers that be prefer blob content, this is not okay. So they gave WB a hard smack and said "stay in your lane" (roaming and ganking) by making DC only a -50% strike and condi damage taken.

Feel free to cry about people picking on you when your class gets nerfed hard and you actually have to make a build that doesnt get all of it's damage from having a single boon active.

Inb4 this comment gets 5000 confused emotes