Add rose quartz to the Istan reward track

Kovu.7560 · June 2, 2019

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
@"Kovu.7560" said:I was referring to your "WvW-focused players as [not] being worse off than others" statement. That's untrue with regards to both the (powdered) rose quartzes and with general income.The topic isn't "general income". And no, WvW-focused players are not worse off
with regards to this material
... unless you compare to those PvErs who do the meteor events, which many do not. Rose quartz only drops from Brandstone Chunks and the home instance node. The B-chunks only appear at the falling meteor site, for short periods of time, only after being revealed by the Brandstone Multitool

If the OP's suggestion were implemented, WvW players would have, by far, the easiest source of Rose Quartz.

And even if that wasn't true, Rose Quartz is plentiful on the TP. The only time it has been expensive in bulk is during brief periods after new achievements, i.e. hardly ever.

My point remains: the OP's suggestion is based on temporary price increases, misleading information about the sources of the material, and ends up being overly-specific.

You can keep saying this topic isn't about general income, but when the item in question is something you can pick up on the trading post, adding (or not adding) it to a reward track would affect general income. Because rose quartzes are something you can pick up on the trading post on the cheap I'm not too bothered about it not being accessible through a reward track.

That said, wvw players not being worse off with regards to a particular material than PvEers who do not do the event with that material is shotty excuse not to have it accessible through a reward track because the same could be said of pretty much any material associated with a specific event or map. The whole point of map-based reward tracks in wvw (and pvp) should be to allow wvw players to eventually access to equipment and treasure associated with the pve content without having to grind the pve content for days on end in a game mode they prefer not to spend as much time in -- and they still have to do at least some of the content to unlock the track.

~ Kovu

edit- To clarify, I'm not stating that its Anet's philosophy/goal to have reward tracks mitigate the grind for wvw'ers in pve, I just wish that were the case. Clearly its not.

Moira Shalaar.5620 · June 2, 2019

@Kovu.7560 said:That said, wvw players not being worse off with regards to a particular material than PvEers who do not do the event with that material is shotty excuse not to have it accessible through a reward track because the same could be said of pretty much any material associated with a specific event or map. The whole point of map-based reward tracks in wvw (and pvp) should be to allow wvw players to eventually access to equipment and treasure associated with the pve content without having to grind the pve content for days on end in a game mode they prefer not to spend as much time in -- and they still have to do at least some of the content to unlock the track.
~ Kovu

I’m late to the discussion, and am probably missing someone’s point here, but doesn’t having access to a PvE material via the TP, and in this case one that usually is very inexpensive, constitute allowing “WvW players to eventually access equipment and treasure associated with the pve content without having to grind the pve content for days on end“? For that matter, home instances can be farmed in a matter of minutes and provide a guaranteed source of this material for no more effort than farming the resource nodes in towers and camps. A dedicated WvW player can harvest quick while in queue to enter the mists or after leaving for the night before logging off. That leaves the same hypothetical WvW player all the time they want (less 3 minutes for home instance) to dedicate to acquiring gold in their preferred game mode.

Personally I suspect many and perhaps most in GW2 don’t fully appreciate the power of equipping and farming a home instance consistently, but I have no numbers to back that up and it may be all in my head from anecdotal interactions.

Kovu.7560 · June 2, 2019

Home instance nodes are expensive to build up and the living story nodes require a lot of initial farming of materials you won't find much of in wvw. But the yields of those nodes are less of an issue because those materials can be obtained via reward tracks while...

The majority of the currencies found under the 'map currencies' tab are not obtainable via wvw reward tracks at all and are a hard requirement for pretty much anything with purple text.

Moira Shalaar.5620 · June 2, 2019

@Kovu.7560 said:
Home instance nodes are expensive to build up and the living story nodes require a lot of initial farming of materials you won't find much of in wvw. But the yields of those nodes are less of an issue because those materials can be obtained via reward tracks while...
The majority of the currencies found under the 'map currencies' tab are not obtainable via wvw reward tracks at all and are a hard requirement for pretty much anything with purple text.

So, I want to be clear here, the OP’s topic was regarding rose quartz, an item which is NOT found under map currency. So you are moving away from this specific item to discuss the availability of map currency in general to WvW?

I have been commenting on rose quartz and it’s accessibility to WvW players and recommending either TP, home instance or both. The home instance nodes cost 50g & 10k either volatile magic or unbound magic, both of which are available to WvW players via reward tracks. Simply consume the appropriate material. Gold can be earned through WvW to purchase the nodes. Once one node is purchased it’s output can be leveraged toward speeding up the purchase of a second and so on and so forth until the home instance is fully stocked. Yes it it expensive, but no more so for a WvW player than a PvE player. If one invests earlier rather than later, the return on investment is higher.

But to return back to the topic at hand of rose quartz, and only with regards to rose quartz, the availability of this material already meets the standard you applied earlier that I quoted above. It is available eventually through playing WvW by way of earning cash and buying off the TP, or using the reward track to acquire the VM necessary to purchase the home instance node, all of which can be done with only very minimal time outside WvW.

Kovu.7560 · June 3, 2019

@Moira Shalaar.5620 said:
@Kovu.7560 said:
Home instance nodes are expensive to build up and the living story nodes require a lot of initial farming of materials you won't find much of in wvw. But the yields of those nodes are less of an issue because those materials can be obtained via reward tracks while...
The majority of the currencies found under the 'map currencies' tab are not obtainable via wvw reward tracks at all and are a hard requirement for pretty much anything with purple text.

So, I want to be clear here, the OP’s topic was regarding rose quartz, an item which is NOT found under map currency. So you are moving away from this specific item to discuss the availability of map currency in general to WvW?

I have been commenting on rose quartz and it’s accessibility to WvW players and recommending either TP, home instance or both. The home instance nodes cost 50g & 10k either volatile magic or unbound magic, both of which are available to WvW players via reward tracks. Simply consume the appropriate material. Gold can be earned through WvW to purchase the nodes. Once one node is purchased it’s output can be leveraged toward speeding up the purchase of a second and so on and so forth until the home instance is fully stocked. Yes it it expensive, but no more so for a WvW player than a PvE player. If one invests earlier rather than later, the return on investment is higher.

But to return back to the topic at hand of rose quartz, and only with regards to rose quartz, the availability of this material already meets the standard you applied earlier that I quoted above. It is available eventually through playing WvW by way of earning cash and buying off the TP, or using the reward track to acquire the VM necessary to purchase the home instance node, all of which can be done with only very minimal time outside WvW.

I agree.I apologize if I was unclear. The concerns I have with regards to currencies unavailable to wvw'ers by any means has neither anything to do with the items harvested in the home instance nor the rose quartz in specific. Forgive me for seemingly derailing the thread by speaking about wvw reward availability on a broader scale. Perhaps I'll start a thread addressing things like Ley Line Crystals and Elegy Mosaics at some point.

~ Kovu

HtFde.3856 · August 16, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

HtFde.3856 · August 16, 2019

@Kovu.7560 said:
And even if that wasn't true, Rose Quartz is plentiful on the TP. The only time it has been expensive in bulk is during brief periods after new achievements, i.e. hardly ever.

I dunno - atm you can put in a buy order for 2,32 silver - which times 3000 equals 69 gold. You may want to call that cheap, I'm not inclined to do so.

Ayrilana.1396 · August 16, 2019

@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another ~~84G~~ 56G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

HtFde.3856 · August 16, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

Voltekka.2375 · August 16, 2019

@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

Sooooo... Lemme get this straight:You want a luxury mount, which needs heavy grinding time wise, and the 69g is the problem? Do meteors of that is too expensive for you. Suddenly, doing pve for a pve mount is... Unfair?

Ayrilana.1396 · August 16, 2019

@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

It for a legendary. Doing that collection has no other purpose.

As far as daily gold, I think I used 3 instead of 2. It’d be 56G then during that period.

That’s still more than enough for a WvW player to purchase what they need off the TP.

HtFde.3856 · August 16, 2019

@Voltekka.2375 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

Sooooo... Lemme get this straight:You want a luxury mount, which needs heavy grinding time wise, and the 69g is the problem? Do meteors of that is too expensive for you. Suddenly, doing pve for a pve mount is... Unfair?

Since when is Vision a mount?

Voltekka.2375 · August 16, 2019

@HtFde.3856 said:
@Voltekka.2375 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

Sooooo... Lemme get this straight:You want a luxury mount, which needs heavy grinding time wise, and the 69g is the problem? Do meteors of that is too expensive for you. Suddenly, doing pve for a pve mount is... Unfair?

Since when is Vision a mount?

Apologies, meant a legendary. Like the mount which is needed. A legendary which costs an absurd amount of gold.

Ayrilana.1396 · August 16, 2019

@HtFde.3856 said:
@Voltekka.2375 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

Sooooo... Lemme get this straight:You want a luxury mount, which needs heavy grinding time wise, and the 69g is the problem? Do meteors of that is too expensive for you. Suddenly, doing pve for a pve mount is... Unfair?

Since when is Vision a mount?

They’re saying that you appear to have no issue with the PvE grind that the skyscale has but are taking issue with the much smaller grind to get the rose quartz for the legendary trinket.

HtFde.3856 · August 16, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

It for a legendary. Doing that collection has no other purpose.

As far as daily gold, I think I used 3 instead of 2. It’d be 56G then during that period.

That’s still more than enough for a WvW player to purchase what they need off the TP.

Well, yes, you could squeeze in Tequatl end phase with a bit of practise and get 3/day more or less easily. Still - the REAL cost comes after the pre-cursor. I can't recall anything useless costing the same when I did Aurora. 55 ectoplasm AND 500 Kralk AND 500 Rose Quartz for ONE weapon of which you need 6 - absolutely ridiculous.

Voltekka.2375 · August 16, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Voltekka.2375 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

Sooooo... Lemme get this straight:You want a luxury mount, which needs heavy grinding time wise, and the 69g is the problem? Do meteors of that is too expensive for you. Suddenly, doing pve for a pve mount is... Unfair?

Since when is Vision a mount?

They’re saying that you appear to have no issue with the PvE grind that the skyscale has but are taking issue with the much smaller grind to get the rose quartz for the legendary trinket.

Dont worry, people will find all sorts of reasons to complain, no matter how exaggerated

Ayrilana.1396 · August 16, 2019

@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.

WvW is known for its high gold reward ... and 17 gold/weapon are thus easily made ... not

An account can make roughly 60G a month on just daily login rewards. Add in another 84G for doing dailies during that same timeframe. You then have all of the reward track, skirmish track, and drops that can be sold. It may not be as lucrative as PvE but WvW players can still purchase rose quartz from the TP.

Don't you feel it somewhat strange that for a pre-pre-cursor part achievement you'd have to add in so much money or time? And that's not even counting the ridiculous amount of ectoplasm you need as well. For what? 6 exotic weapons you're going to recycle anyway. But I think my math must be wrong anyway because 31 days times 2 gold/day equals in my reality 62 gold, not 84 as you say. So my math must be way off ...

It for a legendary. Doing that collection has no other purpose.

As far as daily gold, I think I used 3 instead of 2. It’d be 56G then during that period.

That’s still more than enough for a WvW player to purchase what they need off the TP.

Well, yes, you could squeeze in Tequatl end phase with a bit of practise and get 3/day more or less easily. Still - the REAL cost comes after the pre-cursor. I can't recall anything useless costing the same when I did Aurora. 55 ectoplasm AND 500 Kralk AND 500 Rose Quartz for ONE weapon of which you need 6 - absolutely ridiculous.

Kralk ore is very easy to get on that map from the hearts. That’s 375 per day if you have never bought any character expansion slots. Since you mentioned going for Aurora, you likely have at least six so that brings it to 450 per day. There’s also many other options recently that Anet has provided to obtain LS4 currencies.

The wiki is showing Vision as having a cost of 1450G. I don’t see how 69G is the real cost of the legendary when it’s barely 5% of the cost.

HtFde.3856 · August 16, 2019

@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:
@HtFde.3856 said:
@Ayrilana.1396 said:Powdered rose quartz can be bought on the TP so WvW players don’t have to play PvE specifically to obtain them.